Marv wrote:

ATrain wrote:^ My thoughts exactly. First of all its Minny, everyone on that team has inflated numbers. Its so easy to look good on that damn team. Second of all lets cut the crap, AR is a bum. Melo is here and is producing NOW. When AR was here he was lost and confused. Even if he would've had consistent time these numbers would have been once in a blue moon for us.

ar is not a bum. he's a riddle. a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. i wish we could have solved it. we could have used him.

So what your really trying to say in the culinary sense is:

"Anthony Randolph is the TURDUCKEN of potential"!

Nalod wrote:

Marv wrote:

ATrain wrote:^ My thoughts exactly. First of all its Minny, everyone on that team has inflated numbers. Its so easy to look good on that damn team. Second of all lets cut the crap, AR is a bum. Melo is here and is producing NOW. When AR was here he was lost and confused. Even if he would've had consistent time these numbers would have been once in a blue moon for us.

ar is not a bum. he's a riddle. a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. i wish we could have solved it. we could have used him.

So what your really trying to say in the culinary sense is:

"Anthony Randolph is the TURDUCKEN of potential"!

with bacon!

ItalianStallion wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Its the totality of the trade that is so putrid. We gave up SO F much and will be paying for it 4 years. That Denver club is in such good shape--they killed us and they would wipe us out in a 7 games series. Throw in randolph picks pick flips for a guy we couldve had in FA for almost nothing. Melo is a very good player--not a great player. If we remained patient--our team wouldve been so *formidable* it would've been joke--we couldve won 3-4 championships. Now we are going to be under the gun to fill this thing out --id ont know what happens here---root for the best but any way you lookat it--we lost this trade by miles-I dont need years to tell me that.

At least someone gets it.

The trade was so stupid from a "long term" perspective, that's why some people feel certain that Walsh and D'Antoni are full of **** when they say they were in favor of this deal. It looks like a Dolan/Isiah deal.

Every single deal to date either added good assets, made us younger, freed up cap space, or some combination of the above. Perhaps some deals were not great, but at least you understood the thinking because it was consistent.

Now all of a sudden we give up every single bit of our youthful upside, draft picks, and virtually the entire starting team for a "big name and overrated scorer" and wipe out all the cap space to do it?

This is page 1 from the Isiah play book.

Do anything you can to get the overrated scorer and worry about it later. Then when later comes and you find out he's overrated and you don't have the space to get all the things you still need, you make excuses rinse and repeat.

If it wasn't for the fact that we got Billups, this deal would be a catastrophe.

That only gets you so far. They were building assets. MDA said on the Michael Kay show yesterday. His job the first 2 years was to build up players so they could trade them.

I was not in favor of giving up all of the players in the deal, especially Gallinari. But, I do admit there is more talent.,

Not for one minute do I deny AR's talent. He's got talent, but he's been a very poor NBA so far

Though I've said several times that I think the biggest failing of the D'Antoni era was not giving AR more of a look (and throw Corey Brewer in there, too). Biggest failing for Walsh was wasting a lotto pick on Jordache Hill.

To me - even if you'd developed AR and decided to trade him - it could have made the cost of the Melo trade lower. If Donnie hadn't made such a horrible pick with Jordan Hill, we might not have needed to throw in the 2012 draft pick to move Jeffries.

To me AR and the 2009 lotto pick were somewhat wasted assets here.

Other than that, I'm happy with team Donnie and Mike have built. I do think our team could be slightly deeper right now if the 2009 draft pick had been better used and if AR had been given more playing time.

Que sera, we still have Melo and Amar'e for the next 5 years.

Marv wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I can't complain about the Melo trade, that's just whack. We are a better team.

Though I've said several times that I think the biggest failing of the D'Antoni era was not giving AR more of a look (and throw Corey Brewer in there, too). Biggest failing for Walsh was wasting a lotto pick on Jordache Hill.

To me - even if you'd developed AR and decided to trade him - it could have made the cost of the Melo trade lower. If Donnie hadn't made such a horrible pick with Jordan Hill, we might not have needed to throw in the 2012 draft pick to move Jeffries.

To me AR and the 2009 lotto pick were somewhat wasted assets here.

Other than that, I'm happy with team Donnie and Mike have built. I do think our team could be slightly deeper right now if the 2009 draft pick had been better used and if AR had been given more playing time.

Que sera, we still have Melo and Amar'e for the next 5 years.

hill sucked but what happens if we took jennings? guy doesn’t seem to have improved a lick since his initial stunning outburst. would you want him running this team now instead of chauncey? what would have been the impact on subsequent moves if we couldn’t have gotten rid of jeffries' contract?

thank God I wasn't tripping when I read that

EWING33BXNY wrote:It really kills me that many of us on here wanted to win and win NOW. But the majority of us wanted this to happen without giving up any assets. IMHO that type of thinking is ABSURD. It was necessary for us to give up what we had in order to make it to the next level. Everyone that is against this trade talks about how we are handcuffed for the next few years and goes off the SPECULATION that Melo was going to FA. I’m a believer that Melo wanted to come to the Knicks and the Knicks only but any smart business man, who has a family, who needs to provide for, and has any bit of common sense WOULD NOT leave MILLIONS on the table. The only thing that is separating us from the NETS is a BRIDGE and that would have been too risky of a play. In all honesty we were not going to win with what we had this year or in the next few years to come. With Melo here he has the respect of the other players that NY is not a bad place to come and play. This is the first time in a LONG TIME that players around the league are even fielding calls from us. Over the past ten years we have been the laughing stock of the NBA. Now that we are headed in the right direction not everyone wants to think it was the right move. I’m not saying that as Knicks fans we need to gather together and sing “Kumbaya” but we shouldn’t have blinders on and think that we are not headed in the right direction because of the “assets” we no longer have.

If two years ago you said we could get a GM to come in, clean house for two years then reload w/ Melo (26), Amare (28), Billups (34) and a bunch of spare parts I think 9 out of 10 would have signed up for that.

These playoffs are HUGE comging up. IF the Knicks can beat the Heat or Bulls in round one it sends a clear message that all this was worth it. How good we become rests on Walsh's ability to add the supporting cast.

fishmike wrote:

EWING33BXNY wrote:It really kills me that many of us on here wanted to win and win NOW. But the majority of us wanted this to happen without giving up any assets. IMHO that type of thinking is ABSURD. It was necessary for us to give up what we had in order to make it to the next level. Everyone that is against this trade talks about how we are handcuffed for the next few years and goes off the SPECULATION that Melo was going to FA. I’m a believer that Melo wanted to come to the Knicks and the Knicks only but any smart business man, who has a family, who needs to provide for, and has any bit of common sense WOULD NOT leave MILLIONS on the table. The only thing that is separating us from the NETS is a BRIDGE and that would have been too risky of a play. In all honesty we were not going to win with what we had this year or in the next few years to come. With Melo here he has the respect of the other players that NY is not a bad place to come and play. This is the first time in a LONG TIME that players around the league are even fielding calls from us. Over the past ten years we have been the laughing stock of the NBA. Now that we are headed in the right direction not everyone wants to think it was the right move. I’m not saying that as Knicks fans we need to gather together and sing “Kumbaya” but we shouldn’t have blinders on and think that we are not headed in the right direction because of the “assets” we no longer have.

its a perspective thing. I didnt love the trade but Melo is an all star every year and prob not a top 10 player but surely a top 15.

If two years ago you said we could get a GM to come in, clean house for two years then reload w/ Melo (26), Amare (28), Billups (34) and a bunch of spare parts I think 9 out of 10 would have signed up for that.

These playoffs are HUGE comging up. IF the Knicks can beat the Heat or Bulls in round one it sends a clear message that all this was worth it. How good we become rests on Walsh's ability to add the supporting cast.

I was not a big fan of the trade either because of what we gave up but I believed that we had to do it in order to get MELO. I considered Denver's Front Office being naive in the negotiations but they showed me different in the end. I think we should not doubt Walsh's ability to bring in the other pieces because he is shown to be capable of doing so before and players are now willing to come to the BIG CITY. As a team we are in a better place then Miami because the STARS we do have don't play the same position or do the same things.

I agree that these playoffs are going to be huge and I'm drinking the kool-aid that we are going to do well. No one really wants to deal with the team we have in the first round. Playing a first round playoffs series against Amare and Carmelo is a big headache for anyone!

knicks1248 wrote:I think the trade may result in a lateral move, atleast this year....I honestly don't think we got much better and we certainly didn't get worse..before we were missing another star, now were missing the role players...the trade didn't balance out the roster at all and no matter how you look at it, without balance your not going to win consistantly..were going to be up and down depending on the match up...that was clearly evident in the magic game.

The problem is, it can take just as long to find suitable role players as it would to develope a star like chandler, ray, or gallo...aldridge joe johnson and al harford are perfect examples of what I'm talking about.

Totally disagree. That trade has made us near impossible to defend and we actually have a better Defense now. The Magic looked scared against us. If not for a sudden shift in attack that we didn't adjust to we wind that game. I think it's all about chemistry. Other teams have the advantage of more time together and so we aren't playing anywhere close to our maximum capability. Once everyone on the team fully trusts each other and learns each other, we'll be a major threat to anyone in the East.

We now have 3 closers in our staring lineup. As much as I loved Chan and Gallo, neither guy was really on that level in crunchtime. Now we have Chauncey, Melo and STAT who can get it done and there's no comparison to the team we had. Teams fear and respect us now.