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3/11/2011  11:32 PM
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nixluva wrote:Look I don't believe the Knicks had this guy in their longterm plans. I think they want to save money for a more important need than another wing. Sure he can play a little, but that's not the point. We don't really NEED Brewer. We need help at other spots, so why commit to the guy? We brought in Brown, so what's the big deal? Brown seems like a decent prospect and will sit quietly on the bench and not demand anything.

again, how does buying him & Azabuike out of their contracts & signing Derrick Brown & Jared Jeffries save the Knicks any money? unless i'm missing something here we didn't have to re-sign either of them this summer, we could have just renounced Brewer's rights the same way we would have had to do with Wilson if we didn't make the Melo trade at the deadline & just let Azabuike walk if money was the determining factor... it obviously wasn't... or are u in some way suggesting that Brewer's agent was demanding a contract extension from the Knicks otherwise he wanted his client to be bought out?

I don't know about demanding anything, but he could easily have asked that they let him go since he probably had interest from teams. The Knicks likely already knew they weren't going to keep him and weren't sure how much he'd actually play. It was widely reported that the Knicks were offering him in trades. He's played 4 games with Dallas and has gotten 5, 10, 6 and 17 minutes, but he got his extension and I'm not sure the Knicks felt they wanted to commit to him, so why hold him up? Donnie does stuff like this, which is why he has such a great relationship with so many Agents.

what he said was that he was excited to be a Knick but only asked to be traded after he knew he wasn't gonna get a shot here... i don't know what he could have easily asked all i know is what he said & nothing that he said suggests that he knew coming in that he would never get a shot on this team, he came in enthusiastically you could clearly see it his 1st game as a Knick when Melo got introduced the guy couldn't stop smiling he was obviously happy to be a Knick... either that or he went out back with Renaldo Balkman to burn one before the game.

Corey may have had different plans than the Knicks, cuz everything I read was that they were looking to flip him in a deal immediately and that the deal fell thru. So they did him a justice and let him go. He can be all bitter, but in reality they did him a favor.

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3/11/2011  11:38 PM
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:Look I don't believe the Knicks had this guy in their longterm plans. I think they want to save money for a more important need than another wing. Sure he can play a little, but that's not the point. We don't really NEED Brewer. We need help at other spots, so why commit to the guy? We brought in Brown, so what's the big deal? Brown seems like a decent prospect and will sit quietly on the bench and not demand anything.

again, how does buying him & Azabuike out of their contracts & signing Derrick Brown & Jared Jeffries save the Knicks any money? unless i'm missing something here we didn't have to re-sign either of them this summer, we could have just renounced Brewer's rights the same way we would have had to do with Wilson if we didn't make the Melo trade at the deadline & just let Azabuike walk if money was the determining factor... it obviously wasn't... or are u in some way suggesting that Brewer's agent was demanding a contract extension from the Knicks otherwise he wanted his client to be bought out?

I don't know about demanding anything, but he could easily have asked that they let him go since he probably had interest from teams. The Knicks likely already knew they weren't going to keep him and weren't sure how much he'd actually play. It was widely reported that the Knicks were offering him in trades. He's played 4 games with Dallas and has gotten 5, 10, 6 and 17 minutes, but he got his extension and I'm not sure the Knicks felt they wanted to commit to him, so why hold him up? Donnie does stuff like this, which is why he has such a great relationship with so many Agents.

what he said was that he was excited to be a Knick but only asked to be traded after he knew he wasn't gonna get a shot here... i don't know what he could have easily asked all i know is what he said & nothing that he said suggests that he knew coming in that he would never get a shot on this team, he came in enthusiastically you could clearly see it his 1st game as a Knick when Melo got introduced the guy couldn't stop smiling he was obviously happy to be a Knick... either that or he went out back with Renaldo Balkman to burn one before the game.

Corey may have had different plans than the Knicks, cuz everything I read was that they were looking to flip him in a deal immediately and that the deal fell thru. So they did him a justice and let him go. He can be all bitter, but in reality they did him a favor.

what you read was 3rd hand reports i put a lot more weight of credibility on the actual words from the player's mouth about what his intentions were when he was traded here.

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3/11/2011  11:47 PM
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:Look I don't believe the Knicks had this guy in their longterm plans. I think they want to save money for a more important need than another wing. Sure he can play a little, but that's not the point. We don't really NEED Brewer. We need help at other spots, so why commit to the guy? We brought in Brown, so what's the big deal? Brown seems like a decent prospect and will sit quietly on the bench and not demand anything.

again, how does buying him & Azabuike out of their contracts & signing Derrick Brown & Jared Jeffries save the Knicks any money? unless i'm missing something here we didn't have to re-sign either of them this summer, we could have just renounced Brewer's rights the same way we would have had to do with Wilson if we didn't make the Melo trade at the deadline & just let Azabuike walk if money was the determining factor... it obviously wasn't... or are u in some way suggesting that Brewer's agent was demanding a contract extension from the Knicks otherwise he wanted his client to be bought out?

I don't know about demanding anything, but he could easily have asked that they let him go since he probably had interest from teams. The Knicks likely already knew they weren't going to keep him and weren't sure how much he'd actually play. It was widely reported that the Knicks were offering him in trades. He's played 4 games with Dallas and has gotten 5, 10, 6 and 17 minutes, but he got his extension and I'm not sure the Knicks felt they wanted to commit to him, so why hold him up? Donnie does stuff like this, which is why he has such a great relationship with so many Agents.

what he said was that he was excited to be a Knick but only asked to be traded after he knew he wasn't gonna get a shot here... i don't know what he could have easily asked all i know is what he said & nothing that he said suggests that he knew coming in that he would never get a shot on this team, he came in enthusiastically you could clearly see it his 1st game as a Knick when Melo got introduced the guy couldn't stop smiling he was obviously happy to be a Knick... either that or he went out back with Renaldo Balkman to burn one before the game.

Corey may have had different plans than the Knicks, cuz everything I read was that they were looking to flip him in a deal immediately and that the deal fell thru. So they did him a justice and let him go. He can be all bitter, but in reality they did him a favor.

what you read was 3rd hand reports i put a lot more weight of credibility on the actual words from the player's mouth about what his intentions were when he was traded here.


You're coming at it from the wrong angle. If they had intended to keep him, they would have. Donnie clearly was trying to trade him and didn't want to extend him or else why buy him out after such a short period of time? His agent might have asked about their intentions of signing him long term and when he found out they wouldn't commit he may have asked to be let go so he could find a team willing to extend him.
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3/12/2011  12:06 AM
i'm not disputing why Donnie bought him out, I agree he did it as a favor to Brewer's agent because MDA wasn't planning on using him... my question is why wasn't MDA planning on using him... before the trade he was stuck in Minnesota in obscurity i don't buy that he demanded a contract extension otherwise he wanted to be bought out... IMO it was the playing time issue that motivated him, not the money.
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3/12/2011  12:37 AM
TMS wrote:i'm not disputing why Donnie bought him out, I agree he did it as a favor to Brewer's agent because MDA wasn't planning on using him... my question is why wasn't MDA planning on using him... before the trade he was stuck in Minnesota in obscurity i don't buy that he demanded a contract extension otherwise he wanted to be bought out... IMO it was the playing time issue that motivated him, not the money.

I don't mind letting Brewer go from a perspective of looking at things going forward but when discussing a deal was D'AnToni briefed on the guy or not prior to trade agreement. Because if so I'm sure the GM could gather if the guy would get PT or not therefore flip him to Boston for asset(s) or whatever other team was intrigued at acquiring him. I'm ticked we got nothing for him to build with next year. We all know D'AnToni sucks when it comes to giving players legit chances and now Derrick Brown is proof once again. This was my fear all along.


I wish the GM would hold his coach accountable through the media on player acquisitions. This is getting way beyond ridiculous.

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3/12/2011  10:07 AM
Corey Brewer was merely an asset in a three team trade that took Melo to NY. It's not like we went after him; we just needed to take him, or an equivalent salary, to make the trade happen.

Similarly, it's not like the wolves went after Eddy Curry. His contract was just an asset in the trade.

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3/12/2011  10:16 AM
either this year or next, where would Brewer gets minutes at the SG/SF?

Chauncy/TD/Carter cover the PG spot with TD getting some SG minutes. Fields/TD/Mason/Walker at the 2. Melo/Williams at the 3.

All of those guys except Carter are decent to very good at spreading the offense.

Where does anyone see anything except for occasional special-assignment minutes for Brewer?

Brewer would also take up a roster spot for an up and coming big that Donnie could risk minutes on.

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3/12/2011  10:17 AM
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nixluva wrote:Look I don't believe the Knicks had this guy in their longterm plans. I think they want to save money for a more important need than another wing. Sure he can play a little, but that's not the point. We don't really NEED Brewer. We need help at other spots, so why commit to the guy? We brought in Brown, so what's the big deal? Brown seems like a decent prospect and will sit quietly on the bench and not demand anything.
I think there are a couple of alarming things going on that have happened before. First, a young player that the gm requested be a part of the trade was not in the coaches plans according to Brewer. Second, it appears that he was let go because the coach wanted a low upside vet in Jeffries that he had a comfort level with. This has happened before and the fact that it keeps happening is very frustrating. Brown was a second round pick. He appears to be athletic and may pan out. However, Brewer was the seventh pick in the draft, plays great defense and was desired by several title contenders. Why a guy like that can't have a role on the Knicks with this coach is what is troubling. This has happened before.

So basically, Brewer could find his way into the rotation of one of the top 5 teams in the league, yet, he couldn't find a spot on a team that was, at the time, 2 games over .500 and in desperate need if defenders. SMH.

I think what you will find is that Brewer will not get any rotation minutes in the playoffs with Dallas, and to suggest that he is getting into the rotation after just this game would be a stretch.

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3/12/2011  11:51 AM
martin wrote:either this year or next, where would Brewer gets minutes at the SG/SF?

Chauncy/TD/Carter cover the PG spot with TD getting some SG minutes. Fields/TD/Mason/Walker at the 2. Melo/Williams at the 3.

All of those guys except Carter are decent to very good at spreading the offense.

Where does anyone see anything except for occasional special-assignment minutes for Brewer?

Brewer would also take up a roster spot for an up and coming big that Donnie could risk minutes on.

I don't question there not being many if any minutes available to Brewer. What many of us don't understand is that we let an asset walk. He was signed in heartbeat by Dallas. Could we not have gotten a pick for him? That said, I do prefer Brown for this team and in a sense that is our pick.

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3/12/2011  4:25 PM
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martin wrote:either this year or next, where would Brewer gets minutes at the SG/SF?

Chauncy/TD/Carter cover the PG spot with TD getting some SG minutes. Fields/TD/Mason/Walker at the 2. Melo/Williams at the 3.

All of those guys except Carter are decent to very good at spreading the offense.

Where does anyone see anything except for occasional special-assignment minutes for Brewer?

Brewer would also take up a roster spot for an up and coming big that Donnie could risk minutes on.

I don't question there not being many if any minutes available to Brewer. What many of us don't understand is that we let an asset walk. He was signed in heartbeat by Dallas. Could we not have gotten a pick for him? That said, I do prefer Brown for this team and in a sense that is our pick.

i think that has already been asked and answered: they did the guy a favor. This agent is the same one as Amear's and Shawne William's. Simple as that.

And if they didn't let him go know, they would have been asked to match his $5M salary slot for next year to keep him, and who would want to trade anything for a $5M 1-dimensional player?

Knicks did try to squeeze a trade for him before this deadline, but no one was biting.

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