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Paladin55
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2/28/2011  9:57 AM
Nalod wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:If this is the kind of thread created out of a big victory like this one, I can't wait to read the pure anger which will come from the OP after our next loss.

Good point. I don't understand the extreme view.

What have we learned, that MDA is preaching the Defense.

The critique that Melo plays defense when he feels up to it is not that far off base. Last nite he was "up" and came up big. Why not, he is a gifted athlete with great quickness. The money is in offensive production. You don't get endorsements on defense, you get it putting up 50 pts.

You watch NBA's best players and they rarely put it all out there for a whole game or whole season.

Calling for MDA's head after two games is just premature.

Would giving him a 3 year extension after last nites game be reasonable?

Mike is handsomely paid. But he has had a roster overhaul each season.

Hell, has there ever been a coach of his stature (or any stature, for that matter) who has had to coach through so many significant changes in the makup of his roster?

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Vmart
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2/28/2011  10:04 AM
If MDA can concentrate on the defensive end of the game then he can stay here as long as he wants but it has to be 100% commitment to defense. He is one of the best offensive minds in the game, I have no worries about that aspect.
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2/28/2011  12:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2011  12:23 PM
Vmart wrote:If MDA can concentrate on the defensive end of the game then he can stay here as long as he wants but it has to be 100% commitment to defense. He is one of the best offensive minds in the game, I have no worries about that aspect.

I have a problem with everybody asking to concentrate on defense.

Increasing our defense, is not 100% on the coach....And has obviously been preaching defense, but without defensive players, teaching can only go so far.

For example: I've been a defensive player my entire career. I've played with other defensive players before, and also you see them on TV in college or NBA.

It's called DEFENSIVE INSTINCTS (ex is Dennis Rodman)...This has nothing to do with the coach. Some have it, and some don't.

The plus side to having an offensive coach like , is that no matter what, the players will buy into his system. Now look at MIA's coach. When things go south on offense, the players will scramble and use their own system, which is part of the reason why we won yesterday, against the HEAT.

Walsh needs to add more players with DEFENSIVE INSTINCTS (ala Jeffries)....The more players we have like this, the better will look. Also, the difference between an average player, and a superstar, are their instincts on both sides of the court (ala Billups).

Now, has his flaws, like player rotation, lineup changes, and managing the game, especially in crunch time....But when you have a team with high IQ on both ends of the floor, this will help increase over chemistry and defensive instincts. is the perfect coach to have, when you have a team full of high IQ players (STATS, MELO, BBBBBILLUPS)

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2/28/2011  12:49 PM
every good coach finds the strengths of this players and frees them to do what they do best. This is a totally different team now than it was before.

Whether its a strength or not you must score, defend and rebound to win. If you suck at anyone of those bad enough you can lose a game because of it.

The Knicks have to defend and rebound and that commitment MUST come from the players. This is not something a coach can be blamed for. Does Brook Lopez suck on the boards because of Avery Johnson? Did Gentry get Nash to defend more?

MDA may not be good at coaching D, thats Dan's job from what I know about the coaching staff. That being said MDA has always pushed for a high defensive "effort" and has not always gotten it. If Amare/Billups/Melo buy into it we will be good.

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2/28/2011  12:52 PM
fishmike wrote:every good coach finds the strengths of this players and frees them to do what they do best. This is a totally different team now than it was before.

Whether its a strength or not you must score, defend and rebound to win. If you suck at anyone of those bad enough you can lose a game because of it.

The Knicks have to defend and rebound and that commitment MUST come from the players. This is not something a coach can be blamed for. Does Brook Lopez suck on the boards because of Avery Johnson? Did Gentry get Nash to defend more?

MDA may not be good at coaching D, thats Dan's job from what I know about the coaching staff. That being said MDA has always pushed for a high defensive "effort" and has not always gotten it. If Amare/Billups/Melo buy into it we will be good.

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2/28/2011  1:03 PM
To be honest looking at yesterday's game objectively the defensive effort was there(in the paint for sure) no question and the team has shown ability without Billups/Melo/Amar'e etc etc to get up for big games but.....

Mike Miller/James Jones/Mario Chalmers/Eddie House all had wide open jumpers and on offense we were taking some of the dumbest shots from 3pt range instead of running higher percentage plays. Billups made a huge 3pt shot but honestly that was not a good shot. He chose to take 26ftr instead of dumping it down to Melo who was 12-15ft away from the basket.

Yesterday didn't prove anything to me other than certain players have the ability to play defense if they are held accountable and demanded to play it.

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2/28/2011  1:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2011  1:12 PM
blkexec wrote:
Vmart wrote:If MDA can concentrate on the defensive end of the game then he can stay here as long as he wants but it has to be 100% commitment to defense. He is one of the best offensive minds in the game, I have no worries about that aspect.

I have a problem with everybody asking to concentrate on defense.

Increasing our defense, is not 100% on the coach....And has obviously been preaching defense, but without defensive players, teaching can only go so far.

For example: I've been a defensive player my entire career. I've played with other defensive players before, and also you see them on TV in college or NBA.

It's called DEFENSIVE INSTINCTS (ex is Dennis Rodman)...This has nothing to do with the coach. Some have it, and some don't.

The plus side to having an offensive coach like , is that no matter what, the players will buy into his system. Now look at MIA's coach. When things go south on offense, the players will scramble and use their own system, which is part of the reason why we won yesterday, against the HEAT.

Walsh needs to add more players with DEFENSIVE INSTINCTS (ala Jeffries)....The more players we have like this, the better will look. Also, the difference between an average player, and a superstar, are their instincts on both sides of the court (ala Billups).

Now, has his flaws, like player rotation, lineup changes, and managing the game, especially in crunch time....But when you have a team with high IQ on both ends of the floor, this will help increase over chemistry and defensive instincts. is the perfect coach to have, when you have a team full of high IQ players (STATS, MELO, BBBBBILLUPS)

Billups told at after game interview that he recommended Mike to play Carter as his backup (and probably move Toney to backup 2). It is perfectly clear that Mike used a lot of advice from Nash in Pho.
He is not a complete coach. He is a great bbal mind and strategist but he heeds somebody to manage the game for him and better this should the pointguard.
Bringing Billups in was grate move not because of his game but because Mike now has somebody to manage the game and provide input like Nash did.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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2/28/2011  1:18 PM
arkrud wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Vmart wrote:If MDA can concentrate on the defensive end of the game then he can stay here as long as he wants but it has to be 100% commitment to defense. He is one of the best offensive minds in the game, I have no worries about that aspect.

I have a problem with everybody asking to concentrate on defense.

Increasing our defense, is not 100% on the coach....And has obviously been preaching defense, but without defensive players, teaching can only go so far.

For example: I've been a defensive player my entire career. I've played with other defensive players before, and also you see them on TV in college or NBA.

It's called DEFENSIVE INSTINCTS (ex is Dennis Rodman)...This has nothing to do with the coach. Some have it, and some don't.

The plus side to having an offensive coach like , is that no matter what, the players will buy into his system. Now look at MIA's coach. When things go south on offense, the players will scramble and use their own system, which is part of the reason why we won yesterday, against the HEAT.

Walsh needs to add more players with DEFENSIVE INSTINCTS (ala Jeffries)....The more players we have like this, the better will look. Also, the difference between an average player, and a superstar, are their instincts on both sides of the court (ala Billups).

Now, has his flaws, like player rotation, lineup changes, and managing the game, especially in crunch time....But when you have a team with high IQ on both ends of the floor, this will help increase over chemistry and defensive instincts. is the perfect coach to have, when you have a team full of high IQ players (STATS, MELO, BBBBBILLUPS)

Billups told at after game interview that he recommended Mike to play Carter as his backup (and probably move Toney to backup 2). It is perfectly clear that Mike used a lot of advice from Nash in Pho.
He is not a complete coach. He is a great bbal mind and strategist but he heeds somebody to manage the game for him and better this should the pointguard.
Bringing Billups in was grate move not because of his game but because Mike now has somebody to manage the game and provide input like Nash did.

+1

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