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rp
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2/27/2011  7:26 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
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rp wrote:
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JrZyHuStLa wrote:It's not that he doesn't coach defense. He's just not good at putting a premium on it because he's too busy harping on ball movement and shots falling.

That is why they have coaches not singular "coach"

Surprise, surprise. It's not working.

I was making a point that it is not all Mike you have to see the bigger picture. You practically answered my point.

Mike hired his assistants.

Dolan owns the team. If you are making a point fire Mike for his stupid assistants then why would the Giants (football) fire Tom instead of his assistant?

This has nothing to do with football.

Mike D'antoni has always been known and will continue to be known as an offensive minded coach who does not understand the value of good defense.

My point is not about football, which you are not getting. My point is why fire a head coach when the assistants are not getting the job done (this is an assumption since we don't work with the team, just outside observers).

Because in pr sports, the head coach always is the one that catches the heat. You're seriously blaming D'antoni's assistants for the Knicks' lack of defense and not D'antoni himself?

Fine, you seriously blaming Mike for lack of players who think defense?

It's the coaches job to get his players to buy into his system. Offensively, they have. Defensively, they haven't which goes back to my original point.

He doesn't care about defense as much as offense.

Look, you are entitled to your opinion and my opinion like yours is based on outside observation. I will never agree with your opinion since it is also based on outside observation not internal to the business. Fact is hate him if you like but without valid evidence or proof of reality we all as fans will always argue what we see from the outside.

My post was a fact, not opinion.

Seriously Jr, if you are not inside the organization it is a valid opinion. Don't cover up what you are not.

You don't need to be within the organization to realize it. Any unbiased fan with a realistic approach will tell you what I'm telling you.

Obviously you need to read up on opinion vs. facts. That is still conjecture and therefore is here-say and therefore not admissible in court a.k.a opinion.

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JrZyHuStLa
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2/27/2011  8:03 PM
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:It's not that he doesn't coach defense. He's just not good at putting a premium on it because he's too busy harping on ball movement and shots falling.

That is why they have coaches not singular "coach"

Surprise, surprise. It's not working.

I was making a point that it is not all Mike you have to see the bigger picture. You practically answered my point.

Mike hired his assistants.

Dolan owns the team. If you are making a point fire Mike for his stupid assistants then why would the Giants (football) fire Tom instead of his assistant?

This has nothing to do with football.

Mike D'antoni has always been known and will continue to be known as an offensive minded coach who does not understand the value of good defense.

My point is not about football, which you are not getting. My point is why fire a head coach when the assistants are not getting the job done (this is an assumption since we don't work with the team, just outside observers).

Because in pr sports, the head coach always is the one that catches the heat. You're seriously blaming D'antoni's assistants for the Knicks' lack of defense and not D'antoni himself?

Fine, you seriously blaming Mike for lack of players who think defense?

It's the coaches job to get his players to buy into his system. Offensively, they have. Defensively, they haven't which goes back to my original point.

He doesn't care about defense as much as offense.

Look, you are entitled to your opinion and my opinion like yours is based on outside observation. I will never agree with your opinion since it is also based on outside observation not internal to the business. Fact is hate him if you like but without valid evidence or proof of reality we all as fans will always argue what we see from the outside.

My post was a fact, not opinion.

Seriously Jr, if you are not inside the organization it is a valid opinion. Don't cover up what you are not.

You don't need to be within the organization to realize it. Any unbiased fan with a realistic approach will tell you what I'm telling you.

Obviously you need to read up on opinion vs. facts. That is still conjecture and therefore is here-say and therefore not admissible in court a.k.a opinion.

You're just trolling now, you need to stop.

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2/27/2011  8:10 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:It's not that he doesn't coach defense. He's just not good at putting a premium on it because he's too busy harping on ball movement and shots falling.

That is why they have coaches not singular "coach"

Surprise, surprise. It's not working.

I was making a point that it is not all Mike you have to see the bigger picture. You practically answered my point.

Mike hired his assistants.

Dolan owns the team. If you are making a point fire Mike for his stupid assistants then why would the Giants (football) fire Tom instead of his assistant?

This has nothing to do with football.

Mike D'antoni has always been known and will continue to be known as an offensive minded coach who does not understand the value of good defense.

My point is not about football, which you are not getting. My point is why fire a head coach when the assistants are not getting the job done (this is an assumption since we don't work with the team, just outside observers).

Because in pr sports, the head coach always is the one that catches the heat. You're seriously blaming D'antoni's assistants for the Knicks' lack of defense and not D'antoni himself?

Fine, you seriously blaming Mike for lack of players who think defense?

It's the coaches job to get his players to buy into his system. Offensively, they have. Defensively, they haven't which goes back to my original point.

He doesn't care about defense as much as offense.

Look, you are entitled to your opinion and my opinion like yours is based on outside observation. I will never agree with your opinion since it is also based on outside observation not internal to the business. Fact is hate him if you like but without valid evidence or proof of reality we all as fans will always argue what we see from the outside.

My post was a fact, not opinion.

Seriously Jr, if you are not inside the organization it is a valid opinion. Don't cover up what you are not.

You don't need to be within the organization to realize it. Any unbiased fan with a realistic approach will tell you what I'm telling you.

Obviously you need to read up on opinion vs. facts. That is still conjecture and therefore is here-say and therefore not admissible in court a.k.a opinion.

You're just trolling now, you need to stop.

wow that's the best come back you got?

Online board is about expressing your opinion and I never disrespected your opinion. You can provide opinion but you don't have to force people to believe your opinion when they don't have validity to it.

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2/28/2011  8:03 AM
all I know is thank god MDA does stress defense because thats what will have us winning games and winning quickly. Its going to take some time to get guys in sync with the offense, spacing, etc but we will a lot of games if we contest every shot because we have 3 gifted offensive players that can score without plays being called.

I'm sure everyone saying MDA doesnt stress defense is THRILLED to be wrong (no need for any man-up threads... please)

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2/28/2011  8:46 AM
fishmike wrote:all I know is thank god MDA does stress defense because thats what will have us winning games and winning quickly. Its going to take some time to get guys in sync with the offense, spacing, etc but we will a lot of games if we contest every shot because we have 3 gifted offensive players that can score without plays being called.

I'm sure everyone saying MDA doesnt stress defense is THRILLED to be wrong (no need for any man-up threads... please)

Thank you Fish and RP for setting the record straight. Great Win against the Heat. Great D. Great 200% effort at both ends of the court.
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2/28/2011  9:25 AM
If this continues I will be thrilled. But history suggests otherwise. The X factor will be if Melo and Stat get into playing D like that every night the culture will change despite the coach.

fishmike wrote:all I know is thank god MDA does stress defense because thats what will have us winning games and winning quickly. Its going to take some time to get guys in sync with the offense, spacing, etc but we will a lot of games if we contest every shot because we have 3 gifted offensive players that can score without plays being called.

I'm sure everyone saying MDA doesnt stress defense is THRILLED to be wrong (no need for any man-up threads... please)

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2/28/2011  10:40 AM
Mike wrote a book about his offensive philosophy. And if I recall correctly doesn't he spell out what his defensive philosophy is?

I know I have read that he values defense, but as a way to key his offense. The 94 Knicks, Spurs, Lakers, Celtics play a traditional where you guard the basket. Mike's philosophy is to use the defense to force the offense to put up bad shots-NOT to hold them from taking shots-because you get in transition faster off of rebounds and misses.

Mike kind of likes that chaos in transition every team has off of a miss and that is how he coaches.

Mike Fratello used to guard the basket, prevent teams from taking shots when he was with the Cave because he knew his team couldn't outscore the opposition.

Rick Pitino-when on Boston- ran a full court press 90% of the time to speed up the game to get teams to play helter skelter speeds. The score didn't show how much Pitino concentrated on D because the faster the game moved the more points were scored regardless of defense.

Fratello was lauded as a defensive mastermind but at the time he had the likes of Terrell Brandon, Bobby Phills, and Ty Hill. All upper end defensive players, and there was a tangible result seeing low scores.

I just think Mike's approach to D is different then the traditional way. I am not saying he is a guru defensively but defense fits a certain role in his system and he uses it as such.

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2/28/2011  10:46 AM
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:It's not that he doesn't coach defense. He's just not good at putting a premium on it because he's too busy harping on ball movement and shots falling.

That is why they have coaches not singular "coach"

Surprise, surprise. It's not working.

I was making a point that it is not all Mike you have to see the bigger picture. You practically answered my point.

Mike hired his assistants.

Dolan owns the team. If you are making a point fire Mike for his stupid assistants then why would the Giants (football) fire Tom instead of his assistant?

This has nothing to do with football.

Mike D'antoni has always been known and will continue to be known as an offensive minded coach who does not understand the value of good defense.

My point is not about football, which you are not getting. My point is why fire a head coach when the assistants are not getting the job done (this is an assumption since we don't work with the team, just outside observers).

Because in pr sports, the head coach always is the one that catches the heat. You're seriously blaming D'antoni's assistants for the Knicks' lack of defense and not D'antoni himself?

Fine, you seriously blaming Mike for lack of players who think defense?

Defense is based on player thoughts? That's an interesting take.

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2/28/2011  1:55 PM
jrodmc wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
rp wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:It's not that he doesn't coach defense. He's just not good at putting a premium on it because he's too busy harping on ball movement and shots falling.

That is why they have coaches not singular "coach"

Surprise, surprise. It's not working.

I was making a point that it is not all Mike you have to see the bigger picture. You practically answered my point.

Mike hired his assistants.

Dolan owns the team. If you are making a point fire Mike for his stupid assistants then why would the Giants (football) fire Tom instead of his assistant?

This has nothing to do with football.

Mike D'antoni has always been known and will continue to be known as an offensive minded coach who does not understand the value of good defense.

My point is not about football, which you are not getting. My point is why fire a head coach when the assistants are not getting the job done (this is an assumption since we don't work with the team, just outside observers).

Because in pr sports, the head coach always is the one that catches the heat. You're seriously blaming D'antoni's assistants for the Knicks' lack of defense and not D'antoni himself?

Fine, you seriously blaming Mike for lack of players who think defense?

Defense is based on player thoughts? That's an interesting take.

If you watch last night game, ESPN commentator Coach Hubie Brown indicated that if Melo and Amare lead the team to think defense by example they (the team) will follow hence my take on if player had that defensive idea in mind.

"Failure is only postponed success as long as courage coaches ambition. The habit of persistence is the habit of victory" -Herbert Kaufman
MDA Doesn't coach defense

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