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2/22/2011  4:57 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
Does he look happy?

lmao

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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2/22/2011  4:58 PM
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BlueSeats wrote:I'm listening. I'm not convinced.

C'mon Blue.

That's not a knock on Dolan. Or Thomas.

If you're not convinced you're calling Walsh a liar and a pawn.

I'm not calling him a lair. I can be unconvinced by your arguments too without calling you a liar. It's about how seduced I am by his spin of events. He basically admitted Isiah was chirping to Dolan ("all owners have friends") but that he (Donnie) was involved all along and signed off on the deal. I believe all that. But none of that diminishes the role Isiah may have played in what Dolan was wiling to give up, the timetable, how hardball he was willing to play, etc.

Notice what we didn't hear was that Donnie and Dolan had reached agreement on HIS extension. That's a lot more convincing than spin. (And I'm not saying Isiah would be next GM. But perhaps someone with even less "autonomy" than Donnie.)

You're welcome to disagree, but not if doing so insinuates I'm a liar.

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2/22/2011  4:59 PM
Well, after hearing Donnie talk and some of the rest of the media talk, it sounds like there was a legitimate chance that Carmelo would be taking an extension either with the Nuggets or team he traded for him and that was all, due to the CBA. With that being the case, I'm not nearly as down on the trade I was initially. Sounds like Donnie was onboard. If this was the price, I'm not thrilled, but happy to have Melo here and let's see what this team can do. Glad we kept Fields.
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2/22/2011  5:02 PM
Can anyone provide anything substantial to back up the notion that Isiah was involved and instrumental in getting this deal done? I'm tired of the rumors being represented as facts.

Dolan said what he said. He didn't have to. That should be enough. Rumor mongers, go away!

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2/22/2011  5:08 PM
I just listened to this segment, as well as the one earlier with Michael Kay on 1050.

Walsh said that when they sat down to discuss possibilities it was Walsh, D'antoni and Dolan. Not Isiah. He implied that he understood that Isiah was in Dolan's ear (as a friend of the owner) but that Isiah had no direct voice in their strategy meetings.

He also said that during the last couple of days he was on top of the situation on a "minute-by-minute" basis. It sound like he is claiming that he was running the show, at least logistically and with regard to the nitty gritty, through to the end.

Show me proof (e.g. a quoted, non-anonymous, reputable basketball person within the organization) that will explain how exactly Isiah organized this. I honestly believe that the Knick fans' fear is creating a bogeyman type of irrational worry. I know because I have been feeling it. But I'm not convinced that it's true.

I'm really believing that Isiah is mostly trying to take advantage of the situation via his media contacts to inflate his own image and give false ideas about his importance currently in the Knick organization.

Most important immediate signing for the Knicks: Walsh.

If Walsh is here to guide the Knicks in skillfully filling out the roster and eventually signing Deron W. or CP3, we can be very happy. Dolan needs to pick up that option and then we as Knick fans can rest easy.

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2/22/2011  5:13 PM
Paladin55 wrote:Walsh has too much class to use the media to attack anyone. He is total old school, and is not going to criticize anyone, even if he is justified.

The interview means little in terms of really explaining what happened.

Walsh didn't have to make himself available.

Unless the speculation is now Dolan forced him to, that be put himself out there to be asked the questions he knew was coming means something.

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2/22/2011  5:16 PM
Walsh looks drugged and hypnotized in that video.
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2/22/2011  5:19 PM
BlueSeats wrote:Notice what we didn't hear was that Donnie and Dolan had reached agreement on HIS extension. That's a lot more convincing than spin. (And I'm not saying Isiah would be next GM. But perhaps someone with even less "autonomy" than Donnie.)

I'm fairly certain the Knicks organization is going to give 'Melo the news cycle to himself and not tack on Walsh's extension at the same time.

You're welcome to disagree, but not if doing so insinuates I'm a liar.

I don't insinuate. I'm pretty straightforward. I though you were suggesting Donnie Walsh wasn't speaking the truth. If I'm wrong, so be in. But I didn't accuse you of not really believing what you were asserting.

Not even sure how that got confused.

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2/22/2011  5:23 PM
nychamp wrote:Show me proof (e.g. a quoted, non-anonymous, reputable basketball person within the organization) that will explain how exactly Isiah organized this. I honestly believe that the Knick fans' fear is creating a bogeyman type of irrational worry. I know because I have been feeling it. But I'm not convinced that it's true.

It's not that I think Isiah was sitting in Walsh's chair, using his coffee cup and cashing in flying around on his frequent flier miles, it's that Walsh may have felt that outside influences (Isiah's friendly advice) was being given more credence by Dolan than his own, lending to frustration with Dolan, of not Isiah directly.

It's true that all GM's probably contend with this to one degree or another. But Dolan has a reputation for being overly involved in stupid ways, and this particular friend is a scurrilous person, former GM of this very team and future GM candidate with a reputation for undermining friend and foe alike.

Surely awkward at best.

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2/22/2011  5:23 PM
BasketballJones wrote:Walsh looks drugged and hypnotized in that video.

Yeah, I'd really need to see him holding up a copy of today's newspaper before I'd believe it.

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2/22/2011  5:27 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:Notice what we didn't hear was that Donnie and Dolan had reached agreement on HIS extension. That's a lot more convincing than spin. (And I'm not saying Isiah would be next GM. But perhaps someone with even less "autonomy" than Donnie.)

I'm fairly certain the Knicks organization is going to give 'Melo the news cycle to himself and not tack on Walsh's extension at the same time.

You're welcome to disagree, but not if doing so insinuates I'm a liar.

I don't insinuate. I'm pretty straightforward. I though you were suggesting Donnie Walsh wasn't speaking the truth. If I'm wrong, so be in. But I didn't accuse you of not really believing what you were asserting.

Not even sure how that got confused.

When I want to call someone a lair I'll do it myself.

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2/22/2011  5:28 PM
BlueSeats wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:Notice what we didn't hear was that Donnie and Dolan had reached agreement on HIS extension. That's a lot more convincing than spin. (And I'm not saying Isiah would be next GM. But perhaps someone with even less "autonomy" than Donnie.)

I'm fairly certain the Knicks organization is going to give 'Melo the news cycle to himself and not tack on Walsh's extension at the same time.

You're welcome to disagree, but not if doing so insinuates I'm a liar.

I don't insinuate. I'm pretty straightforward. I though you were suggesting Donnie Walsh wasn't speaking the truth. If I'm wrong, so be in. But I didn't accuse you of not really believing what you were asserting.

Not even sure how that got confused.

When I want to call someone a lair I'll do it myself.

you're full of ****

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2/22/2011  5:31 PM
Yawn. Let's talk about this when Walsh's extension does or doesn't get signed.

This is Walsh being a good soldier and doing damage control.

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2/22/2011  5:31 PM
OK, well IMO, Walsh cleared that up. Now that issue can be left alone and we can move on.
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2/22/2011  5:40 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:Walsh has too much class to use the media to attack anyone. He is total old school, and is not going to criticize anyone, even if he is justified.

The interview means little in terms of really explaining what happened.

Walsh didn't have to make himself available.

Unless the speculation is now Dolan forced him to, that be put himself out there to be asked the questions he knew was coming means something.


Yes- he had to be available, or that would have fueled more rumors and conspiracy theories.

You seem like a smart fellow- I'll bet you could have sat in for Donnie with a few orders from above, fielded questions, and done a fine job responding.

Donnie has a law degree and has been in various positions of power for many years- he knows how to handle questions, and would have had ample time to come up with some suitable responses to possible/probable questions.

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2/22/2011  5:41 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:Notice what we didn't hear was that Donnie and Dolan had reached agreement on HIS extension. That's a lot more convincing than spin. (And I'm not saying Isiah would be next GM. But perhaps someone with even less "autonomy" than Donnie.)

I'm fairly certain the Knicks organization is going to give 'Melo the news cycle to himself and not tack on Walsh's extension at the same time.

You're welcome to disagree, but not if doing so insinuates I'm a liar.

I don't insinuate. I'm pretty straightforward. I though you were suggesting Donnie Walsh wasn't speaking the truth. If I'm wrong, so be in. But I didn't accuse you of not really believing what you were asserting.

Not even sure how that got confused.

When I want to call someone a lair I'll do it myself.

you're full of ****

Good point, gotta see if I can get another coffee dump out today.

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2/22/2011  5:49 PM
I'd ask everyone to watch the video with Walsh and D'Antoni.

People don't send people out in front of the media to say things they might not fully believe or thoughts crafted by someone else without being assured of how they will answer questions. This comes in the form of talking points.

Turn on FOX News, CNN or MSNBC and leave it on for 10 minutes to easily recognize when talking point are and ow they are used.

I don't see any common language or spin from either. They seem to be answering questions in the moment, acknowledging the imperfections, and bringing their own personalities to the responses.

Don't see a hint of preparation or prefabricated answers on their part.

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2/22/2011  5:50 PM
BasketballJones wrote:Walsh looks drugged and hypnotized in that video.

Not even sure it was him- his eyes seemed strange, and he would not look directly at reporters.

And those were not the glasses we usually see him in.

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2/22/2011  5:53 PM
Knickoftime wrote:I'd ask everyone to watch the video with Walsh and D'Antoni.

People don't send people out in front of the media to say things they might not fully believe or thoughts crafted by someone else without being assured of how they will answer questions. This comes in the form of talking points.

Turn on FOX News, CNN or MSNBC and leave it on for 10 minutes to easily recognize when talking point are and ow they are used.

I don't see any common language or spin from either. They seem to be answering questions in the moment, acknowledging the imperfections, and bringing their own personalities to the responses.

Don't see a hint of preparation or prefabricated answers on their part.


Exactly what someone working for Dolan or Isiah would say.

...So where did you say you're from?

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2/22/2011  5:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2011  5:56 PM
Paladin55 wrote:You seem like a smart fellow

Appearances can be deceiving.

Paladin55 wrote:Exactly what someone working for Dolan or Isiah would say.

LOL... BlueSeats isn't happy with me at the moment, but he can vouce I don't work for Isiah.

Isiah is perhaps the worst GM in the history of the NBA and I find him personally unlikeable in a visceral way few human people inspire in me.

Does that convince you? :-)

Donnie Walsh will be on with Francesa on WFAN at 4:40

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