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Knickoftime
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2/22/2011  2:58 PM
fishmike wrote:career 6.4 rebounds per game. Wow.

If 6.4 puts him at the top of players who play the same position, then yes, wow.

You said he is an below average rebounder. He is the opposite if context means anything to you.

Acknowledging a mistake is the right play here.

That being said if he's a "superstar" he's 2nd tier at best. His defense cant stop Gallo from dropping 30, he doesnt create for other players and his 6.4 rebounds for his career for a SF arent impressive.

I have little interest in qualifying his superstar "tier" other than he is certainly looking down at the players he was exchanged for.

But you're just wrong about his rebounding.

Look it up. Prove me wrong.

The Knicks were already the best scoring team in the league.

No they weren't. Denver was.

Again, the internet is useful tool.

If your telling me Melo is a better rebounder than Lebron you need to spend less time on the internet and more time wathcing basketball

He IS this year and for their careers there's like a .7 difference in James' favor.

I'd suggest if the best you got is "well, he isn't better than Lebron James", you're standards are a tad unrealistic.

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Knickoftime
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2/22/2011  3:02 PM
CrushAlot wrote: I think they really screwed Felton. I think he signed a 2 year deal to put up big numbers so he could sign a big contract.

He just got moved to the one team in the NBA that outscores the Knicks, and who just traded away their two leading scorers.

I'm no math major, but...

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2/22/2011  3:04 PM
fishmike wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:oooh.. gauntlet thrown. anyway..

I responded to what you wrote. FYI.

btw fish the dude does have a point. Melo has been rebounding much better this season.


I do NOT want the Diva/STAT combo to fail here. I'm a Knick fan (why why why god why me). Its my HOPE that Melo commits to passing and playing defense and becomes a more complete player leading us to great matches in the finals against the NBA elite.

Or I can realistic and look at my franchise combo and realize they dont defend, they do not dominate the glass and they need size and depth around them to succeed.

Has he rebounded better? He's had 5-6 monster games on the boards this year. Aside from those he's pretty close to he 6ish for his career.

Diva's a player... the issue is with the cost, which was a joke.

def. agree the cost was too high. sounds like that's more on Dolan and whoever's in his ear more than anything else.

Screw it. Let's go old school warriors on the league and try to put up 120 pts every game. If we give up 110 pts per game but score 115, a W is a W eh?

Melo will quickly learn that the fans at the garden appreciate defense and will hopefully highlight that side of his game. finger crossed buddy...

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/22/2011  3:05 PM
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GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:I don't get what you're arguing here. Felton/Gallo/Amare were never considered a big 3 type union. Someone compared our current big 3 players, all of whom make $13m + to Miami's big 3. I don't get how it makes sense to compare them to Felton at 7.5 and Gallo who is making peanuts.

You make trades the make you better.

No, Billups/'Melo/Stat is NOT has good as Wade/James/Bosh. There isn't a person here who would argue this.

But KNicks are NEVER going to be able to get a Big 3 that beats this. NO ONE IN THE NBA can or will.

People are criticizing the trade because it doesn't instantly make them better than Miami.

But if that is the criteria, then the other 29 NBA teams best just pack up and toys and go home, because NO transaction from now until those three start wearing down is going to create a better big 3.

The NBA does kind of award teams based on cost efficiency doesn't it? Teams who hand out albatross contracts get punished because there's a cap and they can't add other good player to their teams because they're over the cap. Having Eddy Currys = bad. Having Landry Fields = good.

But that doesn't mean Felton/Gallo/Stat is better than Billups/Melo/Stat. There are no style points for the taking here.

The ONLY think that matters if what you DO WITH the efficiency. What you turn into to help you on the floor.

Yes, the Knicks are better today than they were yesterday, no one is trying to argue against that.

Well, some are, but you're not so I'll leave that there.

Instead of looking back at what might have been and crying (I'm almost all done with that)it would probably be more fun at this point to go actually looking at realistic pieces we can add to the current new and shiny Knicks core.

Yes.

Azubuike could potentially recover and become useful.

Knicks should have around the 20th(?) pick in the draft.

They can buy more, ala Douglas.

Who knows what Shawne Williams may turn into? He was a high draft pick who is doing something useful for an extended period of time now. There may be more upside there.

We don't now cap exceptions are going away. Personally I believe the owners are going to be looking for a league-wide rollback.

There will be players available for minimum contracts after the deadline.

And I think having the ability to absorb Emeka Okafor's contract puts the Knicks into the Paul discussion. And Billups contract now puts in the in position to be in that conversation.

this is about the future the Knicks just bankrupted it. A 20th pick and a couple expiring contract is what we have to build up this roster. That sucks dude. Plain and simple.

The way you beat a big 3 like Mia is with size and depth and defense, just like the Piston's used to beat the Lakers who had just won 3 titles. This deal SUCKED. You can under rate Mosgov all you want but please point out a 7'1 skilled atlhetic bigman we can get next to Amare for the next few years. Gallo would have been the perfect 3rd scoring option. I understand you have to give up something, but we totally caved and catered to Diva and his camp so he could have his massive extension.

No more cap space
Missing 2 addition first rounders
Diva's XL over the max extension means we cannot sign a CP3 or Deron Williams and therefore have zero leverage to trade for them.

You can poo poo this all you want, but the Knicks were very lucky to put together a quality young roster in a short time.

I like OK4 and would trade Fields and expiring deals for him right now. If Walsh has something like that out there it would make this much easier to stomach, but either way there is no debate. Knicks horribly overpaid, and your boy Hollinger gave the Knicks a zesty D+ in his assesment of the trade. Age of the internet indeed

The CP3 stuff is over though... the only reason we have Melo is we had the leverage to sign him if Denver didnt trade him. What's our leverage for CP3? We are willing to take back their best frontcourt player? Cmon man....

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2/22/2011  3:14 PM
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fishmike wrote:Diva and Stat are excellent players but whats left of this roster is a joke.

Stat, Melo, Billups, Fields are an excellent starting 4. The roster outside of Melo & stat is not a joke, we're really just missing a center.

This year matters, we're going into the playoffs. I know you remember 1999. Anything can happen.

If after new CBA the teams will play 4 on 4 with 2 backups you are just on point.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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2/22/2011  3:26 PM
arkrud wrote:
metra wrote:
fishmike wrote:Diva and Stat are excellent players but whats left of this roster is a joke.

Stat, Melo, Billups, Fields are an excellent starting 4. The roster outside of Melo & stat is not a joke, we're really just missing a center.

This year matters, we're going into the playoffs. I know you remember 1999. Anything can happen.

If after new CBA the teams will play 4 on 4 with 2 backups you are just on point.

Today's Knicks beat last weeks Knicks.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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2/22/2011  4:01 PM
fishmike wrote:this is about the future the Knicks just bankrupted it. A 20th pick and a couple expiring contract is what we have to build up this roster. That sucks dude. Plain and simple.

Least we're off the Diva is a below average rebounder thing I guess...

When the Celtics traded for their big 3, who did they have to build up their roster? I remember very well at the time, people didn't know where the depth was coming from.

Rondo, a 21st pick, was on the roster NOT the Rondo he is today. Same with Kendrick Perkins, a 27th pick.

Glen Davis was a 2nd round pick.

George Hill, Gary Neal and DeJuan Blair play important depth roles in the Spurs.

Jose Juan Barea and Rodrigue Beaubois are cogs in Dallas.

Taj Gibson is a rotation player and fairly well regarded in Chicago.

You can get useful players in later rounds.

And having a solid core often helps make younger players better.

I understand you have to give up something, but we totally caved and catered to Diva and his camp so he could have his massive extension.

Listen, if you're going to play the role of omnipotent mindreader and argue for certain how both the Denver front office AND Carmelo Anthony would have responded had the Knicks just done what you think they should have, you can have the floor to yourself.

Diva's XL over the max extension means we cannot sign a CP3 or Deron Williams and therefore have zero leverage to trade for them.

That's not true, if you understand the 2012 market.

You can poo poo this all you want, but the Knicks were very lucky to put together a quality young roster in a short time.

I witnessed for my own eyes the difference Amare Stoudemire has made. I don't honestly don't know what Knicks team you are apparently watching.

Knicks horribly overpaid, and your boy Hollinger gave the Knicks a zesty D+ in his assesment of the trade. Age of the internet indeed

And if I link to a dozen other NBA analysts that give the trade highmarks, your point is what exactly?

The CP3 stuff is over though... the only reason we have Melo is we had the leverage to sign him if Denver didnt trade him. What's our leverage for CP3? We are willing to take back their best frontcourt player? Cmon man....

You don't understand the market.

Reason Denver had leverage was because of the CBA uncertainty. If Paul retains the ability to become a following next season, the CBA will be established.

Paul CAN threaten New Orleans to walk AND veto any trade he doesn't like because doing so won't potentially cost him. He'll be in full control, where as Melo was not.

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2/22/2011  4:06 PM
babyKnicks wrote:
arkrud wrote:
metra wrote:
fishmike wrote:Diva and Stat are excellent players but whats left of this roster is a joke.

Stat, Melo, Billups, Fields are an excellent starting 4. The roster outside of Melo & stat is not a joke, we're really just missing a center.

This year matters, we're going into the playoffs. I know you remember 1999. Anything can happen.

If after new CBA the teams will play 4 on 4 with 2 backups you are just on point.

Today's Knicks beat last weeks Knicks.

yep

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2/22/2011  4:14 PM
babyKnicks wrote:Today's Knicks beat last weeks Knicks.

And it's very likely today's Knicks won't even be next week's Knicks.

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2/22/2011  4:35 PM
We have a dominant Big and a dominant Wing that can create his own shot. That's the core of a good starting 5. We have title winning PG that can shoot a high %, which is a huge need to be a PG for MDA. We have a great glue guy in Fields that will do the dirty work and will only get better. The only thing we are really missing is a real C. I'm not gonna go crazy about the Defense. This just isn't going to be a team that wins with great D. We win with OK D and GREAT scoring. The offense hasn't been very efficient, but I believe that it's gonna eventually be a more efficient offense. People don't like that formula, but Mike almost got to the finals with that formula. I think we can put together a better version of what he had in PHX and get over the hump. We need to give Donnie time to add the needed pieces.

One of the key differences now is that we used to have to rely on Chandler off the bench to lead the 2nd unit. Now we can keep Melo on the court when we sit STAT and then he can go off in that unit. That's gonna make a huge difference.

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2/22/2011  6:12 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
babyKnicks wrote:Today's Knicks beat last weeks Knicks.

And it's very likely today's Knicks won't even be next week's Knicks.

Knick of time for UK R.O.Y. Coming on here and thumbing nose/ruffling feathers/pushing buttons better than anyone since..uh..I dunno..

suggestions?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/22/2011  6:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2011  6:23 PM
Fish and everyone -I too am disappointed in how the trade went down and all we gave up, etc. and I've have voiced this, but I now accept that Carmelo Anthony is a Knick and I support him and the team. Can we NOT call him "Diva" and instead call him Carmelo, or Melo, or Anthony, etc. Give him a chance and then after awhile, if he earns the name, Diva, then by all means use it.

Right now I see a top player coming here and he wants to play hard and win.

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Any of the top 3 seeds will detroy us in the playoffs

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