MooK wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:

MooK wrote:Can somebody tell me when Carmelo Anthony became a superstar?

when did gallo, chandler, felton become superstars?

Whether you like Melo or not, his stats don't lie. He's got the rest of his knick career to define his legacy.
Dude has skills!
We got 2 all-stars, 1 veteran pg. We can make some noise in the playoffs.

Melo was on Dream Team, perennial All-Star..has carried his team to 50+ wins almost every year, Won a NCAA title damn near by himself, gives Lebron fits on the offensive end..He is indeed a Superstar. Not even close..there is Kobe, Lebron, Wade and Melo just below that 3.

and this dude got bounced in the first round just about every year...

not saying much, how tough was\is the western conference??

Spurs/Lakers/Rockets/Suns - are you serious? It's not like he was losing to 8th seeders.

Michael6835 wrote:

MooK wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:

MooK wrote:Can somebody tell me when Carmelo Anthony became a superstar?

when did gallo, chandler, felton become superstars?

Whether you like Melo or not, his stats don't lie. He's got the rest of his knick career to define his legacy.
Dude has skills!
We got 2 all-stars, 1 veteran pg. We can make some noise in the playoffs.

Melo was on Dream Team, perennial All-Star..has carried his team to 50+ wins almost every year, Won a NCAA title damn near by himself, gives Lebron fits on the offensive end..He is indeed a Superstar. Not even close..there is Kobe, Lebron, Wade and Melo just below that 3.

and this dude got bounced in the first round just about every year...

not saying much, how tough was\is the western conference??

Spurs/Lakers/Rockets/Suns - are you serious? It's not like he was losing to 8th seeders.

Cant lose to 8th seeders when you're the 8th seed...

MooK wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:

MooK wrote:Can somebody tell me when Carmelo Anthony became a superstar?

when did gallo, chandler, felton become superstars?

Whether you like Melo or not, his stats don't lie. He's got the rest of his knick career to define his legacy.
Dude has skills!
We got 2 all-stars, 1 veteran pg. We can make some noise in the playoffs.

Melo was on Dream Team, perennial All-Star..has carried his team to 50+ wins almost every year, Won a NCAA title damn near by himself, gives Lebron fits on the offensive end..He is indeed a Superstar. Not even close..there is Kobe, Lebron, Wade and Melo just below that 3.

and this dude got bounced in the first round just about every year...

He got to Conference Finals 2 years ago and lost to Lakers 4 games to 2...what have the Knicks done the last decade again? Combine that with Amare's Playoff battles and we have a team that is actually used to being in the playoffs. Winning pedigree

FeltonandAmare wrote:

MooK wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:

MooK wrote:Can somebody tell me when Carmelo Anthony became a superstar?

when did gallo, chandler, felton become superstars?

Whether you like Melo or not, his stats don't lie. He's got the rest of his knick career to define his legacy.
Dude has skills!
We got 2 all-stars, 1 veteran pg. We can make some noise in the playoffs.

Melo was on Dream Team, perennial All-Star..has carried his team to 50+ wins almost every year, Won a NCAA title damn near by himself, gives Lebron fits on the offensive end..He is indeed a Superstar. Not even close..there is Kobe, Lebron, Wade and Melo just below that 3.

and this dude got bounced in the first round just about every year...

If he had STAT on his team that would not have happened. I can't believe how negative some posters are. We just got freaking Melo folks. Wake the f up.

So you think Isiah made a pretty good deal?

BRIGGS wrote:

giantfan216 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im calling it now. we had a good team that we couldve built into a champion and just blew it up and gave away every last asset we could while holding deep leverage.

LMAO...Whats championship? NIT? Give me a break this was an average team at best. Dont overrate the team just because we stunk for 7 straight years and managed to climb 2 games over .500.

Agree 100% as Bill Parcells used to say "you are what your record says you are" and we were a barely above .500 team with a lot of very likable complimentary parts surrounding 1 superstar carrying a huge load. This is a league where stars come at a premium both in trades and FA and now we have two. If our biggest problem now is finding other pieces o compliment the
I can live with that.

What we gave up

a 26 year old PG for a 34 year old who does not want to be here and we wont ahev cap space when he is done in2 years.

2 young burgeoning forwards 22-23 who had all the ability in the world to avarge 20 points and 6-7 rebounds on the SAME team

1 7-1 260 pound 24 athletic C with a ton of upside and he showed it in that 24-14-3 game

a 6-11 210 PF who never got a chance here thats lamar odom compared to a young HIM. This was also a 1st round draft pick take your pick Den used it on salary relief

an additional unrestricted 2014 and two additional 2's in 2012 and 2013 with (lets say 21's and 2 2's)

CAP space of atleast 13mm

for a 26 year old SF 25 pt scorer who plays a similar game to Amare

the collective assets and pieces is staggering staggering

anyone comparing this to the KG is out fo their mind--we gave up more and carmelo is not KG or even close.

We blew this team up for one player--who we likely couldve had for nothing he was not going to NJ--this is the worst used car dealer we got played for a would be free agent in 30 games in NBA history bar none take it to the bank

That's your assessment..not the definite truth. IN my view we gave up a PG guard that looked very average the last month, two inconsistent Wing Men who on several nights lost us games but simply disapearing or plain stinking up the court, and a 7'1 Russian Project that has shown us something in what 5 games? Gonna miss Gallo, Felton & Chandler but I'm fine with Melo and billups as replacements.

Lots of things change in the span of 3 months..don't think taking a chance to get Melo in Free Agency would be a smart move. You have a chance to get an Elite player you go for it.

Isiah and Dolan are all over this move. You can smell the desperation. Walsh would have never went all in. We just gutted an entire team of young talented kids for a volume scorer that shoots it 20x a game and doesn't play defense and was nice enough to essentially piss all over a franchise that has been loyal and provided him with plenty of weapons.

How does this trade improve us long term. We were one of the best offensive teams in the league already. We have less depth behind Amare which was a big issue. We got older at the point guard spot and don't have a backup that can spell Billups.

Melo doesn't care about winning, he got pressure from his wife who got jealous that her husband wasn't smart enough to do what his buddies did. We overpayed a player that isn't a game changer and ****ed our future

Papabear wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:They gave up too much. They had youth on their side and gave it up.

I am on the side if not liking this deal.

What did the Heat give up for Shaq? The Celtics for KG?

Papabear Says

It's a different situration. The league contract is up and a lot of changes is coming. If it was not because of that Melo would have waited Just like LeBron and Bosh. But he was due to loose a lot of Money. If push came a shove he would have to sign for 3 years with the Nets or Denver.

I don't think the situations were significantly different

BRIGGS wrote:Im calling it now. we had a good team that we couldve built into a champion and just blew it up and gave away every last asset we could while holding deep leverage.

On July 17, 1992, Charles Barkley was traded to the Phoenix Suns in exchange for Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang. I think that trade was a lot worse.
Gallo and Chandler could average 20 points and six rebounds, but Gallo back could go out at any second. Who knows? I can say that right now, we have a forward who score with anyone in the league. We have two All Stars and and a very good, if not creaky, point guard. Billups might not be here in two years, but you could have said the same thing about Felton if he was still here. We could've let our players develop and they might have developed into a championship team. The most likely scenario is that we would've turned into the Atlanta Hawks, a group of young guys and superstar, and use that term loosely, who get the fifth see every year and get bounced out of the playoffs.We need to make bold moves if we want to have a legitinate shot at the title and this is a step in the right direction.

MS wrote:I'm inclined to agree with Briggs on this one.

Isiah and Dolan are all over this move. You can smell the desperation. Walsh would have never went all in. We just gutted an entire team of young talented kids for a volume scorer that shoots it 20x a game and doesn't play defense and was nice enough to essentially piss all over a franchise that has been loyal and provided him with plenty of weapons.

How does this trade improve us long term. We were one of the best offensive teams in the league already. We have less depth behind Amare which was a big issue. We got older at the point guard spot and don't have a backup that can spell Billups.

Melo doesn't care about winning, he got pressure from his wife who got jealous that her husband wasn't smart enough to do what his buddies did. We overpayed a player that isn't a game changer and ****ed our future