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Amare and Melo- It's not only in the stars...
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Knickoftime
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2/21/2011  1:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2011  1:07 PM
martin wrote:OK, no problem. It's too bad that you had to attach this to your previous post: "and [if] your answer is I have no idea, I just like the IDEA that maybe they might be able to sometime in the future, then you lose credibility." when asking me to come up with some scenarios; I guess an in kind response is too much to ask.

Martin, you're missing the point. You and I are advocating different positions. I am advocating action, you are advocating waiting, so it is your responsibility to express what you're waiting for.

I asked you to complete your thought - to establish what you're bypassing Melo for so it's credibility can be evaluated.

My thought is complete. Get Melo (at a price). Work from there. My answer (i don't know) accurately answers your question.

Besides believing 'Melo enhances and not hinders the chance to get Paul, I don't know. But as I'm not offering a definitive answer as a criteria for doing something, I don't fairly have to.

And I believe I've said this to you before as well.

Landry Fields was a 2nd round draft pick.

David Lee was a 30th.

Wilson Chandler a 23rd.

Douglas was purchased as a 29th pick.

Rajon Rondo was a 23rd selection.

Jameer Nelson was 17 I believe.

Serge Ibaka was 24.

Mosgoz wasn't drafted when he was eligible.

The idea that the Knicks supporting cast will be forever be static if they get Melo is pure fatalism, ignoring (very) recent history.

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2/21/2011  1:06 PM
BlueSeats wrote:I didn't dare to hope. So happy to see you.

Likewise...

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2/21/2011  1:34 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
tkf wrote:good post, but the problem I have with the bolded part is that you almost make it seem as if the 3 young players won't be worth the raises. I mean I could see your point if gallo, and chandler were average players with no upside...do we know how good both guys can be or will be next year? that is the X factor.. one I am willing to wait and see, considering that we are not passing up a lebron or wade.. this is melo.. I would take that chance.. sorry, I just don't think melo is worth this much....

Not saying that at all. It was mostly just meant to illustrate this "cap flexibility" that the "knicks worked so long to get" has a shelf-life of 17 more months. Then under any reasonable scenario, it is gone for the remainder of the Stoudemire era.

I like Chandler and Gallo. I really do.

But this is also an established fact. More often than not, first round draft picks that have showed promise often get their first big contract because of projection and potential, rather than established value.

It's the reason why there are more bad contracts out there than good ones. Look at any roster. Compare what you consider good, reasonable contracts to the bad one. I'd willing to bet the ratio is no less than 3 to 1.

Chandler and Gallinari are going to get MORE than their production warrants at the time. That's simply how the market works for players 23-24 who have distinguised themselves at being a successful part of their draft class.

But we often see the shine go off a new contract VERY quickly, often the very first season.

The law of averages simply establish that giving Chandler and Gallo the contracts they'll likely command will take away the Knicks "flexibility" going forward, and not enhance it.

knickoftime!! Stop It. you killing them.... you, TMS, Blue,nix. are running this ish.. im with u...

I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees!
Amare and Melo- It's not only in the stars...

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