Vmart wrote:With MDA here you don't need to be concerned with defense. This trade makes the Knicks better. Briggs once the Knicks start rolling again you gonna throw out wow was I wrong thread that is guaranteed.

GustavBahler wrote:Nothing we do will give us playoff quality defense in time so you got to double down on the offense and try to win by a higher margin. Melo should be enough to do that and Billups is smart enough and experienced enough to manage it in the most efficient way. Fields has been starting to not just take it to the rim, but also draw defenders and make smart plays. I'm guessing Melo and Stat being aggressive is going to be contagious.

I'm not saying this team would be good enough to beat the Heat but I think they would give them a scare.

Doubling down on a losing strategy is not the way to go. Right now we have youth, and cap space. If we lock in to the deal we will lose our cap flexibility and we will lose our upside for a team that only does one thing well, which is offense.

If Dolan is pulling the strings, we are all in big trouble.

knickstorrents wrote: Right now we have youth, and cap space. If we lock in to the deal we will lose our cap flexibility and we will lose our upside for a team that only does one thing well, which is offense.

The cap space expires in in the summer of 2012.

Chandler is due for a raise this year.

Gallo, Felton and Fields the next.

When the NBA season tips off in October 2012, Knicks will not have cap space for the foreseeable future and their young core of Gallo, Chandler, Felton and Fields will no longer be underpaid. They will be veterans on veteran contracts.

And we know who the free agent players between now and then. Melo, Howard, Paul and Williams (and getting 'melo have give you the best chance of getting 2 of the 4).

I'll keep asking until someone answers.

What do you want the Knicks to do in the next 500 days if not 'melo?

Knickoftime wrote:

knickstorrents wrote: Right now we have youth, and cap space. If we lock in to the deal we will lose our cap flexibility and we will lose our upside for a team that only does one thing well, which is offense.

The cap space expires in in the summer of 2012.

Chandler is due for a raise this year.

Gallo, Felton and Fields the next.

When the NBA season tips off in October 2012, Knicks will not have cap space for the foreseeable future and their young core of Gallo, Chandler, Felton and Fields will no longer be underpaid. They will be veterans on veteran contracts.

And we know who the free agent players between now and then. Melo, Howard, Paul and Williams (and getting 'melo have give you the best chance of getting 2 of the 4).

I'll keep asking until someone answers.

What do you want the Knicks to do in the next 500 days if not 'melo?

hey dude how about this fck Denver ill give them sht. Ill take melo in FA for 0--how about that?? hes going no where. why pay up for something u can have for free???

Silverfuel wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knickstorrents wrote: Right now we have youth, and cap space. If we lock in to the deal we will lose our cap flexibility and we will lose our upside for a team that only does one thing well, which is offense.

The cap space expires in in the summer of 2012.

Chandler is due for a raise this year.

Gallo, Felton and Fields the next.

When the NBA season tips off in October 2012, Knicks will not have cap space for the foreseeable future and their young core of Gallo, Chandler, Felton and Fields will no longer be underpaid. They will be veterans on veteran contracts.

And we know who the free agent players between now and then. Melo, Howard, Paul and Williams (and getting 'melo have give you the best chance of getting 2 of the 4).

I'll keep asking until someone answers.

What do you want the Knicks to do in the next 500 days if not 'melo?

hey dude how about this fck Denver ill give them sht. Ill take melo in FA for 0--how about that?? hes going no where. why pay up for something u can have for free???

He doesn't want to leave $20 million on the table by going the FA route.

Mike D'antoni.

nixluva wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Two words regarding our defense.

Mike D'antoni.

The last 2 games we held each opponent to under a 100. There's really nothing wrong with Mike's defensive coaching. You have to have players buy in and give effort. We already know that we've got a lot of guys that don't defend all the time at the same level of intensity. When they do, the defense works very well. So it's not the strategy, it's the will of the players.

Does MDA teach players to go under the pick or not boxout or get their hands up on D? When the players fail to do these things its due to their own failings. Why doesn't Amar'e play harder on D? Why didn't Lee play harder on D? That's who they are as players. Coaches can't change that. Sometimes players are just physically limited like Mark Jackson, but often it's a mental thing. We have a lot of guys that aren't strong defensive players from a mental standpoint. Various coaches haven't been able to get them to be better defenders. Like Amar'e for instance. He got a lot of pub for defending harder last year, but to be honest he still wasn't that good. LB tried to get our players to defend and that didn't work either. That's why he wanted to change out the roster.

Still this team can play better on D than it's shown at times. Overall this team isn't as bad as it may seem when you look at the defensive stats. We're 20th in the league in overall Defensive Efficiency per 100 possessions. Meanwhile we're one of the best offensively. If this team can make a more concerted effort to play hard on D, like the last 2 games, they'll be in good shape. I think if the trade goes down, the team will be motivated to give effort. It may take some time to develop chemistry, but hopefully not too long.

Two words for the Knicks defense.

Mike D'antoni.

Take a deep breath and let it sink in.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

nixluva wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Two words regarding our defense.

Mike D'antoni.

The last 2 games we held each opponent to under a 100. There's really nothing wrong with Mike's defensive coaching. You have to have players buy in and give effort. We already know that we've got a lot of guys that don't defend all the time at the same level of intensity. When they do, the defense works very well. So it's not the strategy, it's the will of the players.

Does MDA teach players to go under the pick or not boxout or get their hands up on D? When the players fail to do these things its due to their own failings. Why doesn't Amar'e play harder on D? Why didn't Lee play harder on D? That's who they are as players. Coaches can't change that. Sometimes players are just physically limited like Mark Jackson, but often it's a mental thing. We have a lot of guys that aren't strong defensive players from a mental standpoint. Various coaches haven't been able to get them to be better defenders. Like Amar'e for instance. He got a lot of pub for defending harder last year, but to be honest he still wasn't that good. LB tried to get our players to defend and that didn't work either. That's why he wanted to change out the roster.

Still this team can play better on D than it's shown at times. Overall this team isn't as bad as it may seem when you look at the defensive stats. We're 20th in the league in overall Defensive Efficiency per 100 possessions. Meanwhile we're one of the best offensively. If this team can make a more concerted effort to play hard on D, like the last 2 games, they'll be in good shape. I think if the trade goes down, the team will be motivated to give effort. It may take some time to develop chemistry, but hopefully not too long.

Two words for the Knicks defense.

Mike D'antoni.

Take a deep breath and let it sink in.

This team isn't the worst in the league defensively. They have room for improvement and have shown that they can defend when they want to. It has nothing to do with Mike. The team is 20th right now and they have it within their power to get better. It's mostly about effort. In the last 2 games you saw that the Knicks pressed and pressured the ball more. They fought harder on the perimeter and made teams take tough shots. They can play better D and proved it. No one is expecting great D, cuz they're not built that way. But the goal is to play as hard as they can. If they do then they'll win games.

nixluva wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

nixluva wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Two words regarding our defense.

Mike D'antoni.

The last 2 games we held each opponent to under a 100. There's really nothing wrong with Mike's defensive coaching. You have to have players buy in and give effort. We already know that we've got a lot of guys that don't defend all the time at the same level of intensity. When they do, the defense works very well. So it's not the strategy, it's the will of the players.

Does MDA teach players to go under the pick or not boxout or get their hands up on D? When the players fail to do these things its due to their own failings. Why doesn't Amar'e play harder on D? Why didn't Lee play harder on D? That's who they are as players. Coaches can't change that. Sometimes players are just physically limited like Mark Jackson, but often it's a mental thing. We have a lot of guys that aren't strong defensive players from a mental standpoint. Various coaches haven't been able to get them to be better defenders. Like Amar'e for instance. He got a lot of pub for defending harder last year, but to be honest he still wasn't that good. LB tried to get our players to defend and that didn't work either. That's why he wanted to change out the roster.

Still this team can play better on D than it's shown at times. Overall this team isn't as bad as it may seem when you look at the defensive stats. We're 20th in the league in overall Defensive Efficiency per 100 possessions. Meanwhile we're one of the best offensively. If this team can make a more concerted effort to play hard on D, like the last 2 games, they'll be in good shape. I think if the trade goes down, the team will be motivated to give effort. It may take some time to develop chemistry, but hopefully not too long.

Two words for the Knicks defense.

Mike D'antoni.

Take a deep breath and let it sink in.

This team isn't the worst in the league defensively. They have room for improvement and have shown that they can defend when they want to. It has nothing to do with Mike. The team is 20th right now and they have it within their power to get better. It's mostly about effort. In the last 2 games you saw that the Knicks pressed and pressured the ball more. They fought harder on the perimeter and made teams take tough shots. They can play better D and proved it. No one is expecting great D, cuz they're not built that way. But the goal is to play as hard as they can. If they do then they'll win games.

You're wrong. D'antoni has every single bit of responsibility to take for this team's lack of defensive responsibility. All we hear is that stupid pace excuse he uses after every bad loss and how we didn't move the ball around the way we should have, which has NOTHING to do with defense.