eViL wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

eViL wrote:Pau Gasol, Grizzlies 2010 second round draft pick

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Marc Gasol, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie (who the Lakers signed earlier today), 2008 first round pick and 2010 first round pick.

Gasol = Chandler
Kwame, Crittenton, McKie = Curry
AR (or Minnesota pick) = two late first rounders from LA

Melo is far superior to Pau Gasol as a player. Your logic doesn't hold here

maybe far superior as a scorer or in terms of profile, but i don't think it's so outlandish to compare.

for me they are equal and/or Pau is better because he is more well-rounded and two-way player.

Melo more an alpha-dog and Pau more complimentary dude.

MSG3 wrote:Anyone know what "Incarcerated Bob" on twitter is all about? Twitter is blowing up with claims that the Knicks have reached an agreement with Denver. I know twitter is less than reliable but it's out there.

he's the guy that boldly predicted that LeBron was 100% to NY last year.

martin wrote:

eViL wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

eViL wrote:Pau Gasol, Grizzlies 2010 second round draft pick

for

Marc Gasol, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie (who the Lakers signed earlier today), 2008 first round pick and 2010 first round pick.

Gasol = Chandler
Kwame, Crittenton, McKie = Curry
AR (or Minnesota pick) = two late first rounders from LA

Melo is far superior to Pau Gasol as a player. Your logic doesn't hold here

maybe far superior as a scorer or in terms of profile, but i don't think it's so outlandish to compare.

for me they are equal and/or Pau is better because he is more well-rounded and two-way player.

Melo more an alpha-dog and Pau more complimentary dude.

At the time Pau Gasol was traded, he was not on Melo's level. He's improved alot since then.

martin wrote:

eViL wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

eViL wrote:Pau Gasol, Grizzlies 2010 second round draft pick

for

Marc Gasol, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie (who the Lakers signed earlier today), 2008 first round pick and 2010 first round pick.

Gasol = Chandler
Kwame, Crittenton, McKie = Curry
AR (or Minnesota pick) = two late first rounders from LA

Melo is far superior to Pau Gasol as a player. Your logic doesn't hold here

maybe far superior as a scorer or in terms of profile, but i don't think it's so outlandish to compare.

for me they are equal and/or Pau is better because he is more well-rounded and two-way player.

Melo more an alpha-dog and Pau more complimentary dude.

Pau is definitely a two way player NOW. But when he got traded Pau wasn't known for his defense, and I think Melo takes a lot of crap for not playing defense on this board. He is not energized or motivated to bring it every day, but put him under Pjax or with another superstar on the team like Kobe to keep his attitude in check. When Pau was traded he wasn't as great as Melo is right now.

loweyecue wrote:

martin wrote:

eViL wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

eViL wrote:Pau Gasol, Grizzlies 2010 second round draft pick

for

Marc Gasol, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie (who the Lakers signed earlier today), 2008 first round pick and 2010 first round pick.

Gasol = Chandler
Kwame, Crittenton, McKie = Curry
AR (or Minnesota pick) = two late first rounders from LA

Melo is far superior to Pau Gasol as a player. Your logic doesn't hold here

maybe far superior as a scorer or in terms of profile, but i don't think it's so outlandish to compare.

for me they are equal and/or Pau is better because he is more well-rounded and two-way player.

Melo more an alpha-dog and Pau more complimentary dude.

Pau is definitely a two way player NOW. But when he got traded Pau wasn't known for his defense, and I think Melo takes a lot of crap for not playing defense on this board. He is not energized or motivated to bring it every day, but put him under Pjax or with another superstar on the team like Kobe to keep his attitude in check. When Pau was traded he wasn't as great as Melo is right now.

could be, I never watched him back then, although I also never heard he was a siv either, and that's pretty much where Melo is at these days.

Pau was a legit 7 foot, passing, shooting, scoring big man who could rebound and move.

Melo is an elite scorer and a very good rebounder.

Pretty much the Lakers gave up 3 first rounders and cap filler, right?

Right now Knicks want to give up AR (which would turn to pick and luxury cap savings), Chandler, Curry. I am pretty sure Knicks would throw in lots of future picks.

Here is the big difference: Pau couldn't go anywhere, he was just disgruntled (I think). Melo could opt out and Denver would be left with nothing.

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

eViL wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

nixluva wrote:My guess is that the deal will be Chan, Fields, Felton, Curry, AR/pick for Melo, Billups and Carter. OR the Knicks might actually try to get Nene from Denver. That could help Denver too and solve our need for another big.

There were reports out there Billups does not want to come to NY or NJ and would force his hand to Miami. The Billups/Felton part of this is way too complicated.

My offer: Chandler, Curry, AR, AZ, Turiaf, Mason, picks and 3 mil for Anthony and Nene

Never heard the Miami part. And I think Billups only wanted to force his hand when it involved NJ.

I am looking for the article. It was a little blurb probably from damn twitter...Basically it is making the rounds the only team he wants to go to is Miami.

there are gonna be a lot of vets with the miami-or-bust mentality until we get fully equipped in the arms race. melo needs to know that sacrifices have to be made when building superpowers. i still believe strongly that all the media leaks are far from what's really happening. this is not far from the lebron-bosh-wade saga. it just has a different twist.

Yeah. That's all true. I still think Billups for us is redundant and a step in the wrong direction of the overall goal of this team. There is absolutely no reason for Denver to trade Chauncey. His contract is favorable(they can terminate it or have a 14 mil trade chip)....We don't NEED a PG. We need a C. I said it before, I am willing to sell off alot of our youth (I just want to keep Fields or Gallo) if we got Nene with Anthony.

how about the $7M difference between Felton and Billups salary at relatively the same output for PG. And one who is 8 years young and could be extended?

Ty Lawson is younger, cheaper, and puts up numbers, too. Why trade your vet PG for a stop gap PG to block your young PG? Makes no sense. You can trade Chauncey to just about any legit contender for a pick (Orlando, Dallas). I don't even understand them including him in the NJ trade. Obviously NJ is willing to bend over for Denver why trade someone whose contract is fairly versatile in the way it can help your team.

I think you are missing the point on Felton. He is $7M cheaper next year than Billups. And Billups will be 35, I don't think either Orlando or Dallas is trading $14M old guy for a pick, that's hard to do unless you are taking back $14M, which Denver would not want to do.

With Felton and his super reasonable contract, if you want to move him again, you can do so VERY easily; he still has good value for his age and contract.

And the reason they include him to NJ is that Melo doesn't want to go to a depleted team; they would team up with Hamilton, etc., or at least that was the deal a month ago.

I dont know about Orlando trading for a 14m 35 year old player but I know they traded for a 20m guy.
He still have lots of years left on his contract and will never be remembered right next to our Allan Houston.
Unfortunate he hurt his knee though, I dont think he will ever be close to the same player again.
At best, he can become a good spot up shooter.
CB > Gilbert will be for the rest of his career, in my opinion.
And I mean Gilbert's career, not the 35 year old.

CB is a better decision maker and def. a great shooter.
Felton def has speed, defense, and athleticism over CB.
I can't really say who has better passing ability...
would be hard to argue who would be better.
I can just say CB would help spread the floor better.

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

eViL wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

nixluva wrote:My guess is that the deal will be Chan, Fields, Felton, Curry, AR/pick for Melo, Billups and Carter. OR the Knicks might actually try to get Nene from Denver. That could help Denver too and solve our need for another big.

There were reports out there Billups does not want to come to NY or NJ and would force his hand to Miami. The Billups/Felton part of this is way too complicated.

My offer: Chandler, Curry, AR, AZ, Turiaf, Mason, picks and 3 mil for Anthony and Nene

Never heard the Miami part. And I think Billups only wanted to force his hand when it involved NJ.

I am looking for the article. It was a little blurb probably from damn twitter...Basically it is making the rounds the only team he wants to go to is Miami.

there are gonna be a lot of vets with the miami-or-bust mentality until we get fully equipped in the arms race. melo needs to know that sacrifices have to be made when building superpowers. i still believe strongly that all the media leaks are far from what's really happening. this is not far from the lebron-bosh-wade saga. it just has a different twist.

Yeah. That's all true. I still think Billups for us is redundant and a step in the wrong direction of the overall goal of this team. There is absolutely no reason for Denver to trade Chauncey. His contract is favorable(they can terminate it or have a 14 mil trade chip)....We don't NEED a PG. We need a C. I said it before, I am willing to sell off alot of our youth (I just want to keep Fields or Gallo) if we got Nene with Anthony.

how about the $7M difference between Felton and Billups salary at relatively the same output for PG. And one who is 8 years young and could be extended?

Ty Lawson is younger, cheaper, and puts up numbers, too. Why trade your vet PG for a stop gap PG to block your young PG? Makes no sense. You can trade Chauncey to just about any legit contender for a pick (Orlando, Dallas). I don't even understand them including him in the NJ trade. Obviously NJ is willing to bend over for Denver why trade someone whose contract is fairly versatile in the way it can help your team.

I think you are missing the point on Felton. He is $7M cheaper next year than Billups. And Billups will be 35, I don't think either Orlando or Dallas is trading $14M old guy for a pick, that's hard to do unless you are taking back $14M, which Denver would not want to do.

With Felton and his super reasonable contract, if you want to move him again, you can do so VERY easily; he still has good value for his age and contract.

And the reason they include him to NJ is that Melo doesn't want to go to a depleted team; they would team up with Hamilton, etc., or at least that was the deal a month ago.

I'm not missing the point of Felton. Felton blocks the way of Lawson. Unless Denver is looking to move Lawson, getting Felton makes no sense unless the feel like trading Lawson based on his limited run and apparent potential (good luck on a good return with that). Denver not only has a homegrown Star playing for his hometown team, they have a guy who wants to finish his career there and a spokesmen for the team. Trading him is a PR nightmare, IMO.

And I understand Melo doesn't want to go to a depleted team. So you are telling me a 35-36 yr old PG in with $14 million(the last year of his deal) due next year or a small buyout to get out of his contract is a the deciding factor on being a "not depleted" team?

This is starting to reek of when Steph wanted to leave Minny and settled for NJ. I still remember him comparing the Meadowlands very favorably to MSG.

nixluva wrote:My guess is that the deal will be Chan, Fields, Felton, Curry, AR/pick for Melo, Billups and Carter. OR the Knicks might actually try to get Nene from Denver. That could help Denver too and solve our need for another big.

Ill do that....... Just want to keep Gallo

nixluva wrote:

umynot wrote:

nixluva wrote:My guess is that the deal will be Chan, Fields, Felton, Curry, AR/pick for Melo, Billups and Carter. OR the Knicks might actually try to get Nene from Denver. That could help Denver too and solve our need for another big.

Ill do that....... Just want to keep Gallo

Sorry but it looks like Denver prefers Gallo. So he's the one that goes and fields stays. I really think it will work perfectly with Fields continuing to play the role he does now. He doesn't need plays run for him to have an impact. Both Fields and Melo can avg. 14 bounds a game together. Then we still have TD, Williams, Walker and AZ to spread the floor and create space for Amar'e and Melo.

Probably add kapono to the mix if needed.