Silverfuel wrote:

fishmike wrote:Whats the price for Melo? Anything?

I know the front office is reading this forum so I hope they are keeping count.

How do you know this if I may ask?

misterearl wrote:Carmelo Anthony available, but Knicks balk at request for Gallinari, Felton, starter, Curry, pick
BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Not only does a deal like this destroy any sense of loyalty, it establishes New York as an impatient culture. There is something to be learned from the franchise front office continuity of the Packers, Steelers, Lakers and Celtics as it relates to managing people.

Assets are not always coveted. Especiallly in the examples of Steelers and Packers, assets are cultivated and allowed to mature.

You don't trade away three starters

Isola is terrible. His citing of the Celtics here is a joke. Does he not remember that the Celts traded their whole team to get KG and Allen?

JohnWallace44 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Carmelo Anthony available, but Knicks balk at request for Gallinari, Felton, starter, Curry, pick
BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Not only does a deal like this destroy any sense of loyalty, it establishes New York as an impatient culture. There is something to be learned from the franchise front office continuity of the Packers, Steelers, Lakers and Celtics as it relates to managing people.

Assets are not always coveted. Especiallly in the examples of Steelers and Packers, assets are cultivated and allowed to mature.

You don't trade away three starters

Isola is terrible. His citing of the Celtics here is a joke. Does he not remember that the Celts traded their whole team to get KG and Allen?

Nalod wrote:No incremental growth? When was the last time they were over .500 in the month of February?

Silverfuel wrote:Losing Fields would really hurt. I think he will be better than Gallo and Chandler. I hop ewe can keep him and still get Melo.

jimimou wrote:is this really that much to give for melo???:

To the Knicks:
Carmelo Anthony
Chauncey Billups

To the Nuggets:
Danilo Gallinari
Raymond Felton
Eddy Curry
First-round draft pick (presumably acquired for Anthony Randolph)

Billups is really toast, he's got so little gas in the tank and MDA will ruin whats left of him for sure.

That deal is MUCH different from Melo/Billups for Gallo, Fields, Felton, Curry, AR and 1-2 future picks.

*****
To me the 2 guys who I want to keep above all others are Gallo and Mosgov. They have the unique size and skill sets to make the KNicks elite w/ Amare and Melo. 7'1 athletic skilled centers are so rare, and Gallo at 6'10 who can guard SGs and SFs and is learning to get to the line at will when his shot doesnt fall are the real key. I would hate to lose Felton but if you start Mos/Amare/Gallo/Melo you forcing size, skill and athleticism down the throat of your opponent every night. Fields is a great hustle guy but more replacable than Gallo plain and simple

jimimou wrote:is this really that much to give for melo???:

Another Carmelo Scenario. We Apologize in Advance

The NBA Trade Deadline is now only nine days away. It's so close now: Soon, our national nightmare will be over, and Carmelo Anthony will either be a Knick or he won't, and we'll all be able to move on with our lives. One of the more curiously ignored aspects of a potential Anthony is just what the Knicks are expected to give up for him. It's rarely discussed, as if the Knicks should either give their entire roster for him, or they shouldn't, and the particulars don't matter. But they obviously do matter, and they're currently making the Knicks balk.

Actually, let's all play amateur GM this morning. This is, according to the Daily News, what the Nuggets are proposing, and what the Knicks are rejecting:

To the Knicks:
Carmelo Anthony
Chauncey Billups

To the Nuggets:
Danilo Gallinari
Raymond Felton
Eddy Curry
First-round draft pick (presumably acquired for Anthony Randolph)

On one hand, that's not inherently crazy. Remember, at one point, the Nuggets were asking for Danilo and Wilson Chandler and Eddy Curry's salary cap space and two first-round picks, all for just Anthony. This would seem to be a slight drop-down in price.

On the other, Felton, for all his struggles over the last month or so, is still one of the team captains, and Billups is on record as saying that he doesn't want to leave Denver. Also: Gallo! Also, and more to the point: Right now, Donnie Walsh and the Knicks still hold all the cards. The Nuggets, as of this moment, still are the weak party, trying to get something for Carmelo while they still can, to the only team he apparently wants to play for. If you're Walsh, you have to think that in the next nine days, that price will only go down. That's a distinct advantage. That's a reason to keep your finger off the trigger.

Unless, of course, your boss keeps sticking his beak in. There's always that issue.

By: Will Leitch

This proposal actually gets you close.

If there is any truth to this.

I think Walsh and MDA are too attached to Gallo but sub him for chandler and you might have a deal.

Just my take. Usually negotiations are full of compromise.

I don't see Billups holding up to the rigors of SSOL and bringing in a new point mid season is usually going to be problematic.

fishmike wrote:

jimimou wrote:is this really that much to give for melo???:

To the Knicks:
Carmelo Anthony
Chauncey Billups

To the Nuggets:
Danilo Gallinari
Raymond Felton
Eddy Curry
First-round draft pick (presumably acquired for Anthony Randolph)

thats not bad... I can live with that. No additional first rounders and we keep Mosgov and Fields and we can then resign Chandler.

Billups is really toast, he's got so little gas in the tank and MDA will ruin whats left of him for sure.

That deal is MUCH different from Melo/Billups for Gallo, Fields, Felton, Curry, AR and 1-2 future picks.

*****
To me the 2 guys who I want to keep above all others are Gallo and Mosgov. They have the unique size and skill sets to make the KNicks elite w/ Amare and Melo. 7'1 athletic skilled centers are so rare, and Gallo at 6'10 who can guard SGs and SFs and is learning to get to the line at will when his shot doesnt fall are the real key. I would hate to lose Felton but if you start Mos/Amare/Gallo/Melo you forcing size, skill and athleticism down the throat of your opponent every night. Fields is a great hustle guy but more replacable than Gallo plain and simple

fishmike, i agree with you that the lineup you lay out would be handful and we'd have a lot of size.

that being said, what do you see gallo's role on this team as with melo? because he'd be in the corner every time, waiting for a 3. fields averages more rebounds from the 2 spot than gallo at the 3 and shoots 5% better from 3!

carmelo will get to the line over 8 times a game. between him and stat, the vast majority of the offense will be through one of those two guys. we worry about gallo not getting the ball enough NOW! with melo involved, gallo would be STRICTLY a corner 3 point shooter.

i'd rather have fields at the 2 than gallo. gallo's strengths (getting to the line, size) are largely nullified with melo. fields is a better shooter, and for a guy who's going to get a lot of wide open 3 kick outs, that is important. fields also is a better rebounder even though gall is taller. fields is also 6'7"! he already gives you good size at the 2.

(not to mention it seems like the nuggets want gallo the most and this is a moot point)

GustavBahler wrote:

CashMoney wrote:IMHO this is not a terrible trade for the Knicks. With Melo in the mix Chandler is gone next year anyway. We part with Chandler a little early, trade Gallo, a pick, Curry's contract and Felton. Looking at this trade it's pretty much trading Gallo and Felton for Melo and Billups. Sure Billups is up there age wise but he can still play. Felton was given a 2 year deal for a reason aka CP3. The Knicks are not winning this year and there is no guarantee that the Knicks sign him during the off season. Billups can be bough out nexy year anyway or the Knicks could keep him next year and make a run at Chris Paul the following off season. I would pull the trigger on this deal.

I agree.

me too