SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Felton is not critical for this team. He's a placeholder, not a long-term solution. Billups is more mature, worldly. He can drop the trey bucket at a stupid percentage, gets to the line like a drunk man, and he'll make it happen for his teammates.

Even at 35 years of life, he's an upgrade for this team.

As far as Melo bringing baggage, I don't think Melo has any beefs with Billups. Melo's problem is the organization as a whole, where it's going.

I disagree with everything except the part about him being a placeholder. I think Felton took a short term contract to up his value for the next one. The longer this Melodramarama drags on, the more I believe the plan is Paul/Melo/Amar'e

I think so too, Felton is taking this deal to boost his value.

Which means we have another Al Harrington situation. And I think that's a disaster.

Billups is at a different stage of his career. He's not motivated by selfish goals. He would be a strong veteran presence, would anchor our young guys.

If Felton is a place holder, why not add Billups as the starting point while he is still playing at an elite level and then allow him to slip into a back-up role if CP3 comes.

Felton's attitude is no where near as poor as Al Harrington's. I love Ray's demeanor and his toughness. He's a great example for the Yoots. If he gets a bigger contract, good for him, he's earned it. He's performed as a top-10 PG this year and will benefit from NY exposure, as opposed to Charlotte.

I was happy with the signing as the time but he's far exceeded my expectations. Which is exactly why Denver wants to upgrade from Billups to Felton.

No, his attitude is nowhere near Al's, but their motivation is the same, no matter how much better Felton is at masking it.

His toughness and demeanor are to be commended, but they're inconsequential if they're based on a faulty foundation, an impure GameView(GV) (which is "...a way of seeing the game, not the court, it's the way a player visualizes his role in the team, the offense, and this dictates how he acts in a game. ")

Let Denver think they're getting an upgrade, and they might be, at an individual level, disconnected from their team as a whole. But what Chauncey can do for us at a team level is much more valuable than what Felton is doing for us now.

I think a shrewd observer of the game like Donnie recognizes this, and if he is able to get Billups here he will be king.

the backbone of the American economy is incentivized production. You do your job well, you get paid.

You keep posting this GameView stuff as it relates to Felton... this is misguided. Amar'e, Felton, and Fields are the biggest reasons the Knicks have a winning record. Everyone else has been terribly inconsistent and unreliable. I would sya his no excuses attitude is a TERRIFIC GameView and has undid some of the harm to the young Knicks caused by Isiah's ways and his players' attitudes

I keep saying this: Ray Felton is the best Knicks point gurad since Derek Harper. Why not be thanksful for what he does bring to the table instead of skewering him for his flaws?

Like a lot of fans, he's misguided in thinking individual numbers will lead him to the best possible results. Although not obvious at a glance, a team oriented mindset will always yield the greatest positive returns, for the individual and the team, even if it costs a few points off a player's average.

Billups has the proper GV, Felton does not. Billups understands that what's good for the team is good for him, even if it costs him a few points per game.

good post OBM, as I said before, forget stats, give me someone who can control tempo, the flow of the game, and then look for shots afterwards..

Billups has 34 less 3PA than Felton this season, while playing 6.2 MPG less. Yes, Billups hits a much higher percentage, but then that's a completely different argument than this one. Also, if you think Billups can maintain the NYK pace in the same minutes...

Which of course means there'll be a lot more of Toney Douglas running the point.

very good point.. I didn't consider that..

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:just to be clear: the Billups addition to this deal is old news and not really part of what today's discussions are about. Most likely not happening.

what is the most up-to-date? I'll admit, I have no effing clue what's old and what's new

Bynum to Denver was this past summer news. Billups/Melo was about a month ago to egg on Nets and the whole Detroit thing. So rinse and repeat with anything that involves references to those pieces.

Right now it's just Melo, Chandler, AR, Curry, picks, $.

The whole Dolan calling the Stan Kroenke is kaka. I mean... Stan owns or is buying the LA Rams, right? And he legally can't be apart of the NBA side of his family business, but Dolan, who has told everyone that he has zero basketball knowledge and barely pays attention to Knicks day-to-day all of a sudden gets the urge to call up Stan without even notifying Walsh? haha

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:just to be clear: the Billups addition to this deal is old news and not really part of what today's discussions are about. Most likely not happening.

what is the most up-to-date? I'll admit, I have no effing clue what's old and what's new

Bynum to Denver was this past summer news. Billups/Melo was about a month ago to egg on Nets and the whole Detroit thing. So rinse and repeat with anything that involves references to those pieces.

Right now it's just Melo, Chandler, AR, Curry, picks, $.

The whole Dolan calling the Stan Kroenke is kaka. I mean... Stan owns or is buying the LA Rams, right? And he legally can't be apart of the NBA side of his family business, but Dolan, who has told everyone that he has zero basketball knowledge and barely pays attention to Knicks day-to-day all of a sudden gets the urge to call up Stan without even notifying Walsh? haha

thanks... not likelyt he Billups scenario is being revisitedthen?

Yeah, I want this Melo thing free of Dolan's fingerprints

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:just to be clear: the Billups addition to this deal is old news and not really part of what today's discussions are about. Most likely not happening.

what is the most up-to-date? I'll admit, I have no effing clue what's old and what's new

Billups/Melo was about a month ago to egg on Nets and the whole Detroit thing. So rinse and repeat with anything that involves references to those pieces.

Melo and Chauncey was not, however, previously discussed with the Knicks. Back when it was thrown out there the Nuggets were doing their best to ignore the Knicks and focus on the Nets. So this is different asit directly involves the Knicks and potential addition of Felton to an attempt to land Anthony in NY.

I really insist on keeping Gallo and Fields as they are key pieces of the chip puzzle.

Moonangie wrote:If taking Billups off their hands and letting them have our star PG at half Billups' salary is what it'll cost us for keeping Gallo and Fields, with the additional plan being the wedding trio in 2012, I can buy into it. I greatly prefer to keep Felton, but Billups is fine to fill in until CP3 starts his year of drama. He's still got game at 35 and will help us contend this year. While his age would be a problem for a longer contract, he is fine in the interim.

I really insist on keeping Gallo and Fields as they are key pieces of the chip puzzle.

I agree with this scenario, but I can't see why Denver wouldn't want either or both of these guys and losing them along with Felton destroys the foundation that they built and the gelling starts anew. Not the worst thing in the world, but far from ideal.

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:just to be clear: the Billups addition to this deal is old news and not really part of what today's discussions are about. Most likely not happening.

what is the most up-to-date? I'll admit, I have no effing clue what's old and what's new

Bynum to Denver was this past summer news. Billups/Melo was about a month ago to egg on Nets and the whole Detroit thing. So rinse and repeat with anything that involves references to those pieces.

Right now it's just Melo, Chandler, AR, Curry, picks, $.

The whole Dolan calling the Stan Kroenke is kaka. I mean... Stan owns or is buying the LA Rams, right? And he legally can't be apart of the NBA side of his family business, but Dolan, who has told everyone that he has zero basketball knowledge and barely pays attention to Knicks day-to-day all of a sudden gets the urge to call up Stan without even notifying Walsh? haha

So you don't think dolan is pushing Walsh to get er dun??

You don't think Walsh's contract extension is base on him getting melo, since he struck out on LBJ and WADE??

You don't think for one minute, that dolon may have said, let me talk this guy myself and see what he really wants??

I don't think you have to be involved with the day to day affairs to notice a top player in the NBA is dying to play for your franchise

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:just to be clear: the Billups addition to this deal is old news and not really part of what today's discussions are about. Most likely not happening.

what is the most up-to-date? I'll admit, I have no effing clue what's old and what's new

Bynum to Denver was this past summer news. Billups/Melo was about a month ago to egg on Nets and the whole Detroit thing. So rinse and repeat with anything that involves references to those pieces.

Right now it's just Melo, Chandler, AR, Curry, picks, $.

The whole Dolan calling the Stan Kroenke is kaka. I mean... Stan owns or is buying the LA Rams, right? And he legally can't be apart of the NBA side of his family business, but Dolan, who has told everyone that he has zero basketball knowledge and barely pays attention to Knicks day-to-day all of a sudden gets the urge to call up Stan without even notifying Walsh? haha

So you don't think dolan is pushing Walsh to get er dun??

You don't think Walsh's contract extension is base on him getting melo, since he struck out on LBJ and WADE??

You don't think for one minute, that dolon may have said, let me talk this guy myself and see what he really wants??

I don't think you have to be involved with the day to day affairs to notice a top player in the NBA is dying to play for your franchise

I don't think Dolan is involved with the minute-to-minute as has been portrayed.

TMS wrote:this trade has zero chance of going down... there's no way we can match $30M worth of salary coming back w/o completely gutting the entire roster, something DW has already said he wouldn't do.

Yeah, I've pointed that out a few times. There was one proposed scenario, but I don't see how it would appeal to all involved (as it heavily favored the Knicks I think). Billups is not part of any extended plans for contending or winning championships in NY. Again, I like the guy and he's a great player, but we can't send our scraps that equal $33.7 million to get Melo and Billups, Denver doesn't want it and losing Felton along with Chandler/Gallo and Fields just kills what this team is...but it's easy to see how perspectives have drastically changed since the 13-1 run. The Knicks and the expectations of its current roster have come back down to earth.

If Carmelo Anthony joins Amar'e Stoudemire with Knicks, Chris Paul sees team as NBA title contender

BY Stefan Bondy
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Wednesday, February 9th 2011, 2:40 PM

Sipkin/News
Chris Paul (below) touts Carmelo Anthony (l.) as one of the NBA's elite scorers and sees a pairing of Anthony with Amar'e Stoudemire and Raymond Felton as tough to beat.

Chris Paul says he was just "talking, playing and having fun" at Carmelo Anthony's wedding in the summer, when he toasted to the idea of teaming up with Amar'e Stoudemire and Anthony in New York.

But if a deal for Anthony goes through - and if the Knicks are only one player away from making the toast a reality - Paul sees an immediate title contender at Madison Square Garden.

"No question. No question," he said. "You're talking about probably the best scorer in the league (Anthony) going to a team with Amar'e and Raymond Felton."

Paul and Anthony are good friends, sharing the same agent, Leon Rose, and the same Olympic championship squad in 2008.

He is set to become a free agent after the 2012-13 season, with potential suitors including the Knicks and Nets, who are scheduled to open their arena in Brooklyn the following season.

Part of the reason the Nets pushed so hard for Anthony was to attract Paul, who said Wednesday that winning a title drives free-agency decisions - not money - for superstars such as himself, Dwyane Wade and LeBron James.

The Knicks already have an All-Star in Stoudemire, who has emerged as an MVP candidate in his first season in New York. Paul's teammate - forward David West - agreed that the addition of Anthony thrusts New York into the Eastern Conference elite, joining Orlando, Miami, Boston and Chicago.

"Oh yeah, they have to be," West said. "Carmelo is probably the most dangerous offensive guys in the league because of his ability to score all over the place. He would make that team very dangerous."

Unless Paul signs an extension with New Orleans - an unlikely scenario considering the Hornets are in flux and without ownership - Paul would endure the same trade rumors next season that surrounded Anthony the last six months.

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