nykshaknbake wrote:Fields has been a starter for most of the season but not Moz, who hasn't even played most of the time, so 40% of the starting roster has not been rookies. Even if you try to spin the numbers that way.

We upgraded the point position significantly. Bringing in a proven player who is a good PG but has not been elevated near an All-Star especially with his play of late. We didn't get LeBron but we got the best PF in the game. Gallo is in his 3rd year and this is after playing professional ball. As far as his game evolving, I see the same inconsistent player with a ton of potential.

09-10 NYK 81 74 33.9 0.423 0.381 0.818 0.8 4.1 4.9 1.7 0.9 0.7 1.36 2.36 15.1
10-11 NYK 44 44 34.7 0.425 0.363 0.883 1.0 3.6 4.6 1.8 0.8 0.4 1.09 2.39 16.0

We score a ton of points but we give up nearly as many infact ~0.5 pts/game difference. It is entirely a product of more possessions.

We are definetly a bottom tier team in both defense and rebounding, which are hustle and system sats to which the coach has alot of influence on.

We have pieces in place to be more than a .500 team.

Nalod wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:I'm just saying he's not a good coach. I like the team. I like the players, but I view D'Antoni a a placeholder rather than someone we will ultamitely be sucessful with. I don't know who is available but that doesn't mean that I should stick my head in the sand and say :) :)what a great job our coach is doing :) :).

Nalod wrote:
Nalod does not have to back it up. Its a fans prerogative to have faith. Faith is unsubstantiated belief.

The team entertains me. I like the games now.

Winning is a process that takes time and patience.

I hear what you don't like, but you don't offer what you do?

Whom should coach the team?

Just think if you gonna put it out there be specific to what areas a coach can better coach. We lead the NBA in blocks and our rebounding stinks. I think it says we are using what we got when we have the top rebounding guard and he is a rookie. We have two staring rookies on the team right now. Same as we started the season with.

What other team starts two rookies? If 40% of your starting roster are rooks and our record is trending at the 6th seed (can always change of course) then I think you being hard. And we bought in a new point, and our first small off the bench is a 2nd year player. Gallo is a 22 year old starter and look how his game has evolved.

We added Amare, not the Savior!

We score a ton of pts and teams that do that usually never are top defensive teams.

Without Moz we are very small. He is our only healthy legit big. Amare at center shows our biggest weakness and that we are not a team with a balanced roster.

That said MDA is I think doing a very good job with a limited roster.

You can say he is not a good coach but there is so much going on with this team its easy to take things for granted.
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Two rookies, 22 year old SF, made Felton barely a starter in Charlotte to near allstar and has coached Amare thus far to performing as a top 3 MVP candidate.

We all want them to do better but thats a pretty good job done after 50 games so far!

Best we can do is be subjective and let the play on the court speak for itself. We don't rebound well. Its a problem.

Its an interesting team and I am enjoying the season. Progress is being made! Enjoy!

Nalod wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Fields has been a starter for most of the season but not Moz, who hasn't even played most of the time, so 40% of the starting roster has not been rookies. Even if you try to spin the numbers that way.

We upgraded the point position significantly. Bringing in a proven player who is a good PG but has not been elevated near an All-Star especially with his play of late. We didn't get LeBron but we got the best PF in the game. Gallo is in his 3rd year and this is after playing professional ball. As far as his game evolving, I see the same inconsistent player with a ton of potential.

09-10 NYK 81 74 33.9 0.423 0.381 0.818 0.8 4.1 4.9 1.7 0.9 0.7 1.36 2.36 15.1
10-11 NYK 44 44 34.7 0.425 0.363 0.883 1.0 3.6 4.6 1.8 0.8 0.4 1.09 2.39 16.0

We score a ton of points but we give up nearly as many infact ~0.5 pts/game difference. It is entirely a product of more possessions.

We are definetly a bottom tier team in both defense and rebounding, which are hustle and system sats to which the coach has alot of influence on.

We have pieces in place to be more than a .500 team.

Nalod wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:I'm just saying he's not a good coach. I like the team. I like the players, but I view D'Antoni a a placeholder rather than someone we will ultamitely be sucessful with. I don't know who is available but that doesn't mean that I should stick my head in the sand and say :) :)what a great job our coach is doing :) :).

Nalod wrote:
Nalod does not have to back it up. Its a fans prerogative to have faith. Faith is unsubstantiated belief.

The team entertains me. I like the games now.

Winning is a process that takes time and patience.

I hear what you don't like, but you don't offer what you do?

Whom should coach the team?

Just think if you gonna put it out there be specific to what areas a coach can better coach. We lead the NBA in blocks and our rebounding stinks. I think it says we are using what we got when we have the top rebounding guard and he is a rookie. We have two staring rookies on the team right now. Same as we started the season with.

What other team starts two rookies? If 40% of your starting roster are rooks and our record is trending at the 6th seed (can always change of course) then I think you being hard. And we bought in a new point, and our first small off the bench is a 2nd year player. Gallo is a 22 year old starter and look how his game has evolved.

We added Amare, not the Savior!

We score a ton of pts and teams that do that usually never are top defensive teams.

Without Moz we are very small. He is our only healthy legit big. Amare at center shows our biggest weakness and that we are not a team with a balanced roster.

That said MDA is I think doing a very good job with a limited roster.

You can say he is not a good coach but there is so much going on with this team its easy to take things for granted.
e
Two rookies, 22 year old SF, made Felton barely a starter in Charlotte to near allstar and has coached Amare thus far to performing as a top 3 MVP candidate.

We all want them to do better but thats a pretty good job done after 50 games so far!

Best we can do is be subjective and let the play on the court speak for itself. We don't rebound well. Its a problem.

Its an interesting team and I am enjoying the season. Progress is being made! Enjoy!

nixluva wrote:I think it's easy to throw mud at MDA cuz his philosophy is do different. Still this team is one of the youngest in the league and we depend on young players to perform at a high level in order to win. It's not just about rookies, man a good portion of our rotation is under 25 yrs of age. That's not a lot of experience. So that usually means you can expect some inconsistent play. Still we do have a winning record and that's no small accomplishment.

I also like to bring up that even when Mike hasn't had the best team he's still been able to coach his team to a successful record give the talent he had. He did get the WCF's with a team that didn't include Amar'e or Joe Johnson. He had Diaw as his C and in the super tough West he made it to the WCF's!!! If that's not great coaching I don't know what to say to you.

You forgot to mantion about not winning in the playoffs. Or the defense or the 3 ball.

fishmike wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Too bad you two don't have anything to support your mockery. People who have nothing always do this. Lather rinse repeat indeed.

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:There are no great coaches that won without talent but that has nothing to do with D'Antoni becaue he isn't a great coach. Now name the great coaches that have won with talent. What D'Antoni isn't one of them? No way.

He has good talent on this team and still underachieves. Our team plays zero defense and doesn't rebound. Definetly a D'Antoni trademark. He has them shoot an inordinate amount of 3s'..as was said of him, his a system is a gimmick. It will never lead you to the the title. You might take a game from a great team because everyone is shooting lights out but never a 7 game series.

Lather-Rinse-Repeat

This is what I hear when people critisize MDA with all of those cliche's

Roses are red, bananas are yellow,
MDA coaches no defense and likes the 3 ball too much.
He doesn't win in playoffs, and I still want Carmelo.

what do you want to back it up? That the Suns were a better defensive team statistically under MDA than under Gentry? Or that the two players he brought in during his very short stint as GM where Kurt Thomas and Marcus Banks, two defensive specialists? Or that Raja Bell was all NBA defensive player under MDA? Or maybe everytime they interview MDA, or you see his little pregame raa raas he's talking about being focused on defense?

The "gimmick" is taking the first open shot. Its pretty simple, if your shots are better then theirs the more you take the more of yours will go in.

Roses are red, bananas are yellow,
MDA coaches no defense and likes the 3 ball too much.
He doesn't win in playoffs, and I still want Carmelo.

Thats pretty much spot on.

Larry Brown was a great defensive coach... and everyone bitched that he played Antonio Davis too much. Funny stuff

nykshaknbake wrote:So The Knicks don't shoot too many 3s and play good D. Got it.

ramtour420 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think it's easy to throw mud at MDA cuz his philosophy is do different. Still this team is one of the youngest in the league and we depend on young players to perform at a high level in order to win. It's not just about rookies, man a good portion of our rotation is under 25 yrs of age. That's not a lot of experience. So that usually means you can expect some inconsistent play. Still we do have a winning record and that's no small accomplishment.

I also like to bring up that even when Mike hasn't had the best team he's still been able to coach his team to a successful record give the talent he had. He did get the WCF's with a team that didn't include Amar'e or Joe Johnson. He had Diaw as his C and in the super tough West he made it to the WCF's!!! If that's not great coaching I don't know what to say to you.

You forgot to mantion about not winning in the playoffs. Or the defense or the 3 ball.

All I know is that this is a young team and for the most part we've had some bad stretches and some good stretches. Everyone predicted about a .500 or better team and they still are on target to do that. We haven't played the kind of D I think we needed to this year. I'm hopeful that they can still improve in that area as we move along. This team is a work in progress and isn't the final draft. We'll see how the final 31 games go and take it from there.

orangeblobman wrote:Damn, Moz has arrived, raise the roof of the house you're in. 18 points, 6 boards, a swat! In less than 30 minutes of action. Incredible.

He played well but coach was terrible he played 23 minutes and nothing in the 4th go figure. MDA just loves small ball to much.