NYKBocker wrote:

TMS wrote:

SlimChin wrote:i hope Timo gets more minutes moving forward but let's not get too carried away. the pistons aren't a physically big team and don't have a great record...

i really hope that MDA will let this kid develop. but if he keeps playing like this, it'll take some burden off of STAT in the paint.

i think he's earned regular burn in the rotation at the very least w/that performance... i'm not slotting him in for 40 every night just yet he's gonna have to show he can repeat these kinds of performances... IMHO i would start him out with a regular run of 15-20 a night & see how it progresses from there... AR should definitely see some regular run too, but i'm not optimistic about that happening... i don't even remember hearing MDA even mention his name in his postgame interview so i'm guessing he's going back to the bench.

Yes on Timo. About AR, MDA actually mentioned him in his post game and he said that AR played really well but the player he was going to replace was Amare and they were afraid to take him out in the 2nd half for fear of stiffening up. Also, Timo's play in the 2nd half stopped AR from getting any meaningful time in the 2nd half. I think AR will get his minutes in the 1st half of games at 9-15min a game from now on. MDA has a tendency to reward players who show some promise in games. That is why Shawne was kept in the rotation when he produced and same with Walker.

didn't know that about his comments after the game about AR, i just heard him answering questions about Mozgov... that's encouraging to hear... if he gets regular burn from now on that's cool with me, but who's place does he take? i doubt he's taking Williams out of the rotation... i gotta figure Walker is gonna ride pine now that Mozgov is getting action... unless MDA plays a 10 man rotation like i proposed i dunno how AR can get in there.

Rookie wrote:how do you know that this wasn't MDA's plan all along? With basically a whole new roster...build a short rotation of core players...then expand it with players who are the most ready to contribute...ie. sprinkle in some Walker/Williams while you continue to build fundamentals with Randolph/Moz and in the process win enough games to make the playoffs...all along knowing that eventually as always happens (and as MDA has said all along) injuries will happen and these guys will get their opportunity....

I'm not saying that you aren't some kind of basketball genious...I'm just offering the possibilty that maybe while you have just come to this earth shattering revelation....possibly this has been MDA's plan all along....

Maybe MDA's dog house is a basketball myth...and he is just a good smart coach who knows how to develop players...

....i like the way he treats the players like adults....either they get it or they don't.....if you don't play my game plan....you don't play....stay ready because you will get an opportunity...when you do get it, it a great system to play and you can see how with this group of players he is adding more of the nuances of his system....it is easy to see why he is a very popular coach with players

i offered up a topic for general discussion not to get your assinine cheap shots to my knowledge of basketball... posters like you & some others around here seem to get your kicks bashing other people for offering up opinions rather than offering anything original of your own to add to the discussion... if your life is that sad that you don't have anything better to do then i feel sorry for you.

i started this topic to discuss how young players may need to get into a groove before they start to produce on the basketball court... how the game may slow down for them the longer they're on the floor, the way it did for Mozgov the other night when he started off looking as clueless as ever but finally settled down & started to ball... if you disagree with that, then tell me why & spare me your idiotic wise cracks.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

scoshin wrote:AR still looks lost on the offense (hardly moving off the ball, just sitting in one spot like Artest would do on the Lakers), but at least he wasn't forcing it like in past games. In fact, he looked reluctant to do anything with the ball, and would give it up like a hot potato.

On defense though, I like what he gave us the other night. Covered his man, blocked and altered shots, and pulled down defensive boards in traffic.

He just has a real low IQ, which is why he's not good for this coach, or any free wheeling system, at least up to this point of his career. It would have suited him better to be coached by a pop, sloan, larry brown type coach in his early years, sort of like Felton. Right now he's just fundamentally lost and needs time.

AR would have never gotten playing time with Pop, Sloan or LB. Better that he stayed in college (in a good program) to learn.

Fixed it for you.

I have a feeling that staying at LSU would not have helped him much, especially if he was pampered by his coaches.

You have to figure that guys like Fields and Rautins have an advantage because they played disciplined ball in good systems, and did it for 4 years.

NYKBocker wrote:

TMS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

TMS wrote:

SlimChin wrote:i hope Timo gets more minutes moving forward but let's not get too carried away. the pistons aren't a physically big team and don't have a great record...

i really hope that MDA will let this kid develop. but if he keeps playing like this, it'll take some burden off of STAT in the paint.

i think he's earned regular burn in the rotation at the very least w/that performance... i'm not slotting him in for 40 every night just yet he's gonna have to show he can repeat these kinds of performances... IMHO i would start him out with a regular run of 15-20 a night & see how it progresses from there... AR should definitely see some regular run too, but i'm not optimistic about that happening... i don't even remember hearing MDA even mention his name in his postgame interview so i'm guessing he's going back to the bench.

Yes on Timo. About AR, MDA actually mentioned him in his post game and he said that AR played really well but the player he was going to replace was Amare and they were afraid to take him out in the 2nd half for fear of stiffening up. Also, Timo's play in the 2nd half stopped AR from getting any meaningful time in the 2nd half. I think AR will get his minutes in the 1st half of games at 9-15min a game from now on. MDA has a tendency to reward players who show some promise in games. That is why Shawne was kept in the rotation when he produced and same with Walker.

didn't know that about his comments after the game about AR, i just heard him answering questions about Mozgov... that's encouraging to hear... if he gets regular burn from now on that's cool with me, but who's place does he take? i doubt he's taking Williams out of the rotation... i gotta figure Walker is gonna ride pine now that Mozgov is getting action... unless MDA plays a 10 man rotation like i proposed i dunno how AR can get in there.

Here is a link to the post game. They asked him about AR in the 2:20 mark. They called him by his first name. Probably why people missed him talking about AR.
http://www.nba.com/video/teams/knicks/2011/01/31/dantonipostgame13011NBA-1539384/

thanks for the link... not much to go on there but we'll see if AR impressed the coach enough to earn some more minutes going forward.

NYKBocker wrote:

TMS wrote:

scoshin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

scoshin wrote:AR still looks lost on the offense (hardly moving off the ball, just sitting in one spot like Artest would do on the Lakers), but at least he wasn't forcing it like in past games. In fact, he looked reluctant to do anything with the ball, and would give it up like a hot potato.

On defense though, I like what he gave us the other night. Covered his man, blocked and altered shots, and pulled down defensive boards in traffic.

He just has a real low IQ, which is why he's not good for this coach, or any free wheeling system, at least up to this point of his career. It would have suited him better to be coached by a pop, sloan, larry brown type coach in his early years, sort of like Felton. Right now he's just fundamentally lost and needs time.

It's tough to tell if it is just low IQ or a lack of confidence/fear of making a mistake in front of D'Antoni. It's probably a combination of both, but I'm willing to lean toward lack of confidence for the reason why he was so afraid of the ball on offense.

i'm with you scoshin... i think it's a lack of confidence... i think he's just afraid of making a mistake out on the floor at this point for fear of being benched again... i think getting into the game during meaningful action may have helped him to just concentrate on just doing his job rather than trying to impress the coach by putting up big scoring #'s... he looked more ready to let the game come to him & get into the flow of the game instead of launching up shots as soon as he had the ball in his hands the way he was trying to do when he'd get those sporadic minutes in garbage time.

AR just needs to grab every rebound he can get and then sprint on transition. Gallo is really good at this and same with Fields. We just need AR to get some highlight type dunk shots in transition to get his confidence up.

a few highlight dunks would definitely get this guy's blood going, i agree... would be great to see MDA try & get him going by maybe running some backdoor cut plays for him to maybe get an alley oop dunk or something to boost his confidence the way he had his G's looking for Mozgov the other night.

scoshin wrote:AR still looks lost on the offense (hardly moving off the ball, just sitting in one spot like Artest would do on the Lakers), but at least he wasn't forcing it like in past games. In fact, he looked reluctant to do anything with the ball, and would give it up like a hot potato.

On defense though, I like what he gave us the other night. Covered his man, blocked and altered shots, and pulled down defensive boards in traffic.

AR did the same thing that the Knicks always do in half court, at least 3 guys hang out at the 3 pt line. He wasn't moving because he's not a part of the offensive flow. With that said, I'm sure he feels a lot of pressure that he can't make even one mistake. They should find him 8 to 10 minutes a game if possible.

TMS wrote:yeah, clearly AR has yet to understand the fundamentals of how to play the game of basketball

is this what it comes down to for you TMS?

Find some YouTube highlights and it's a done deal that something concrete and absolute has happened?

I mean, pretty much you can find nice YouTube highlights of anyone pretty much doing some nice stuff.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Travla wrote:

scoshin wrote:AR still looks lost on the offense (hardly moving off the ball, just sitting in one spot like Artest would do on the Lakers), but at least he wasn't forcing it like in past games. In fact, he looked reluctant to do anything with the ball, and would give it up like a hot potato.

On defense though, I like what he gave us the other night. Covered his man, blocked and altered shots, and pulled down defensive boards in traffic.

AR did the same thing that the Knicks always do in half court, at least 3 guys hang out at the 3 pt line. He wasn't moving because he's not a part of the offensive flow. With that said, I'm sure he feels a lot of pressure that he can't make even one mistake. They should find him 8 to 10 minutes a game if possible.

Perhaps I saw a different game, because I saw AR rolling a number of times. He was on the perimeter a lot, but he was also moving, setting picks and cutting. This wasn't the same play from earlier. Hopefully this is only the first stepping stone.

I saw the same. I saw AR cutting to the basket in 3-4 occasions and TD and Walker just completely missed for an open dunk shot.

TMS wrote:didn't know that about his comments after the game about AR, i just heard him answering questions about Mozgov... that's encouraging to hear... if he gets regular burn from now on that's cool with me, but who's place does he take? i doubt he's taking Williams out of the rotation... i gotta figure Walker is gonna ride pine now that Mozgov is getting action... unless MDA plays a 10 man rotation like i proposed i dunno how AR can get in there.

Ya know, TMS, the number of men in the rotation be damned, I think you need big men on the court, and currently there's no backup PF.
Chandler and Williams *CAN* play PF, but not effectively. I don't see that Williams should figure into those minutes. If we can have Mosgov and Turiaf platoon at the 5, then we have 8-10 minutes backup minutes at the PF left to be doled out, and ideally, if he's up to it, to Randolph. I don't see why we're mixing and matching wings with bigs in the total rotation count. One has little to do with the other IMO.
I realize that this is not how MDA is actually seeing things, and I'm no basketball genius, but I just can't see his distribution of minutes as a recipe for success long-term.
That said, I'm probably preaching to the choir. If so, sorry about that.

TMS wrote:

scoshin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

scoshin wrote:AR still looks lost on the offense (hardly moving off the ball, just sitting in one spot like Artest would do on the Lakers), but at least he wasn't forcing it like in past games. In fact, he looked reluctant to do anything with the ball, and would give it up like a hot potato.

On defense though, I like what he gave us the other night. Covered his man, blocked and altered shots, and pulled down defensive boards in traffic.

He just has a real low IQ, which is why he's not good for this coach, or any free wheeling system, at least up to this point of his career. It would have suited him better to be coached by a pop, sloan, larry brown type coach in his early years, sort of like Felton. Right now he's just fundamentally lost and needs time.

It's tough to tell if it is just low IQ or a lack of confidence/fear of making a mistake in front of D'Antoni. It's probably a combination of both, but I'm willing to lean toward lack of confidence for the reason why he was so afraid of the ball on offense.

i'm with you scoshin... i think it's a lack of confidence... i think he's just afraid of making a mistake out on the floor at this point for fear of being benched again... i think getting into the game during meaningful action may have helped him to just concentrate on just doing his job rather than trying to impress the coach by putting up big scoring #'s... he looked more ready to let the game come to him & get into the flow of the game instead of launching up shots as soon as he had the ball in his hands the way he was trying to do when he'd get those sporadic minutes in garbage time.

I would agree if this was the first coach who benched him. But Lets be honest, GS was sorry they lost rony in that deal, they really didn't have much faith in AR and now we see why.

How much confidence do you need to block shots and rebound, i thought that involves effort, and hustle. When you speaking about a person confidence, your moreless looking at his offense, and we really are not press for offense on most nights.