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1/25/2011  11:57 AM
martin wrote:from Hahn:

I get the feeling from watching Timofey Mozgov lately in practice and in his pre-game workouts that he's just about ready for a second chance in the rotation. The Knicks obviously could use his size and after going through a tough stretch in which the game got so complicated for him he couldn't even catch a pass, Mozgov seems like he has his confidence back. The trick is to get on the court in meaningful minutes to prove he can make a positive contribution. D'Antoni continues to promote the small-ball strategy -- the latest theory is that it's better for Amar'e to play center because it forces other teams to play small and then there's only one big for him to go up against -- and yet Walsh said he thinks the team needs more size. "We could use another big man," Walsh said. "That's for sure." What good is acquiring a middle-of-the-road center if he's only going to take the bench seat vacated by whomever you traded for him? The goal may be to develop Mozgov to where he can fill that need on a regular basis. And somehow convince D'Antoni to give him a second chance.

If and when Timo gets his chance again, MDA needs to tell TD to holster that bazooka when passing to Timo.

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1/25/2011  12:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2011  12:20 PM
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:from Hahn:

I get the feeling from watching Timofey Mozgov lately in practice and in his pre-game workouts that he's just about ready for a second chance in the rotation. The Knicks obviously could use his size and after going through a tough stretch in which the game got so complicated for him he couldn't even catch a pass, Mozgov seems like he has his confidence back. The trick is to get on the court in meaningful minutes to prove he can make a positive contribution. D'Antoni continues to promote the small-ball strategy -- the latest theory is that it's better for Amar'e to play center because it forces other teams to play small and then there's only one big for him to go up against -- and yet Walsh said he thinks the team needs more size. "We could use another big man," Walsh said. "That's for sure." What good is acquiring a middle-of-the-road center if he's only going to take the bench seat vacated by whomever you traded for him? The goal may be to develop Mozgov to where he can fill that need on a regular basis. And somehow convince D'Antoni to give him a second chance.

Seems like there is a conflict of interest. Walsh is the same guy that went to battle with Smits and Dale Davis and Antonio Davis. He knows this small ball is fools gold.

That was then.

This is now.

Game has changed in 20 years.

It was said back then the Pacers were too slow.

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1/25/2011  12:32 PM
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:from Hahn:

I get the feeling from watching Timofey Mozgov lately in practice and in his pre-game workouts that he's just about ready for a second chance in the rotation. The Knicks obviously could use his size and after going through a tough stretch in which the game got so complicated for him he couldn't even catch a pass, Mozgov seems like he has his confidence back. The trick is to get on the court in meaningful minutes to prove he can make a positive contribution. D'Antoni continues to promote the small-ball strategy -- the latest theory is that it's better for Amar'e to play center because it forces other teams to play small and then there's only one big for him to go up against -- and yet Walsh said he thinks the team needs more size. "We could use another big man," Walsh said. "That's for sure." What good is acquiring a middle-of-the-road center if he's only going to take the bench seat vacated by whomever you traded for him? The goal may be to develop Mozgov to where he can fill that need on a regular basis. And somehow convince D'Antoni to give him a second chance.

Seems like there is a conflict of interest. Walsh is the same guy that went to battle with Smits and Dale Davis and Antonio Davis. He knows this small ball is fools gold.

That was then.

This is now.

Game has changed in 20 years.

It was said back then the Pacers were too slow.

I don't know if the game has changed so much. Just look at the teams that are winning these days. Lakers have two 7' in the starting line up. Spurs have Duncan, Boston has KG, Shaq, Perkins and big Baby. Bulls have Noah, Boozer and KT, Orlando Has Howard don't know how much the game has changed still need big players to get to the championship. Miami has Bosh, Big Z and any make shift big in their starting lineup. I don't see why the Knicks always have to go small. IMHO this small ball isn't going to bring any championship. I know Walsh knows it too.

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1/25/2011  12:33 PM
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:from Hahn:

I get the feeling from watching Timofey Mozgov lately in practice and in his pre-game workouts that he's just about ready for a second chance in the rotation. The Knicks obviously could use his size and after going through a tough stretch in which the game got so complicated for him he couldn't even catch a pass, Mozgov seems like he has his confidence back. The trick is to get on the court in meaningful minutes to prove he can make a positive contribution. D'Antoni continues to promote the small-ball strategy -- the latest theory is that it's better for Amar'e to play center because it forces other teams to play small and then there's only one big for him to go up against -- and yet Walsh said he thinks the team needs more size. "We could use another big man," Walsh said. "That's for sure." What good is acquiring a middle-of-the-road center if he's only going to take the bench seat vacated by whomever you traded for him? The goal may be to develop Mozgov to where he can fill that need on a regular basis. And somehow convince D'Antoni to give him a second chance.

Seems like there is a conflict of interest. Walsh is the same guy that went to battle with Smits and Dale Davis and Antonio Davis. He knows this small ball is fools gold.

That was then.

This is now.

Game has changed in 20 years.

It was said back then the Pacers were too slow.

I don't know if the game has changed so much. Just look at the teams that are winning these days. Lakers have two 7' in the starting line up. Spurs have Duncan, Boston has KG, Shaq, Perkins and big Baby. Bulls have Noah, Boozer and KT, Orlando Has Howard don't know how much the game has changed still need big players to get to the championship. Miami has Bosh, Big Z and any make shift big in their starting lineup. I don't see why the Knicks always have to go small. IMHO this small ball isn't going to bring any championship. I know Walsh knows it too.

ill ask you again.. if walsh knows it too then why did he hire d'antoni?

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1/25/2011  12:36 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:from Hahn:

I get the feeling from watching Timofey Mozgov lately in practice and in his pre-game workouts that he's just about ready for a second chance in the rotation. The Knicks obviously could use his size and after going through a tough stretch in which the game got so complicated for him he couldn't even catch a pass, Mozgov seems like he has his confidence back. The trick is to get on the court in meaningful minutes to prove he can make a positive contribution. D'Antoni continues to promote the small-ball strategy -- the latest theory is that it's better for Amar'e to play center because it forces other teams to play small and then there's only one big for him to go up against -- and yet Walsh said he thinks the team needs more size. "We could use another big man," Walsh said. "That's for sure." What good is acquiring a middle-of-the-road center if he's only going to take the bench seat vacated by whomever you traded for him? The goal may be to develop Mozgov to where he can fill that need on a regular basis. And somehow convince D'Antoni to give him a second chance.

Seems like there is a conflict of interest. Walsh is the same guy that went to battle with Smits and Dale Davis and Antonio Davis. He knows this small ball is fools gold.

That was then.

This is now.

Game has changed in 20 years.

It was said back then the Pacers were too slow.

I don't know if the game has changed so much. Just look at the teams that are winning these days. Lakers have two 7' in the starting line up. Spurs have Duncan, Boston has KG, Shaq, Perkins and big Baby. Bulls have Noah, Boozer and KT, Orlando Has Howard don't know how much the game has changed still need big players to get to the championship. Miami has Bosh, Big Z and any make shift big in their starting lineup. I don't see why the Knicks always have to go small. IMHO this small ball isn't going to bring any championship. I know Walsh knows it too.

ill ask you again.. if walsh knows it too then why did he hire d'antoni?

Maybe he was mislead into think MDA knows how to play big players. You see walsh trying to get him bigs, got him AR, got him Mozgov and got him Turiaff. If you know Walsh always seems positive on Curry which I don't agree with but he does. I think deep down Walsh wants MDA to play bigger.

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1/25/2011  12:46 PM
Vmart wrote:
Maybe he was mislead into think MDA knows how to play big players. You see walsh trying to get him bigs, got him AR, got him Mozgov and got him Turiaff. If you know Walsh always seems positive on Curry which I don't agree with but he does. I think deep down Walsh wants MDA to play bigger.

MDA has played 2 of the 3 guys you mentioned... turiaf is a regular and moz got good minutes in the beginning of the season but showed he was not ready yet. if he shows he's ready i don't see why d'antoni would not play him again. AR is a different story because it's obvious from all reports that he's not doing the things in practice that the coaching staff wants to see for him to be on the court.

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1/25/2011  12:51 PM
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:from Hahn:

I get the feeling from watching Timofey Mozgov lately in practice and in his pre-game workouts that he's just about ready for a second chance in the rotation. The Knicks obviously could use his size and after going through a tough stretch in which the game got so complicated for him he couldn't even catch a pass, Mozgov seems like he has his confidence back. The trick is to get on the court in meaningful minutes to prove he can make a positive contribution. D'Antoni continues to promote the small-ball strategy -- the latest theory is that it's better for Amar'e to play center because it forces other teams to play small and then there's only one big for him to go up against -- and yet Walsh said he thinks the team needs more size. "We could use another big man," Walsh said. "That's for sure." What good is acquiring a middle-of-the-road center if he's only going to take the bench seat vacated by whomever you traded for him? The goal may be to develop Mozgov to where he can fill that need on a regular basis. And somehow convince D'Antoni to give him a second chance.

Seems like there is a conflict of interest. Walsh is the same guy that went to battle with Smits and Dale Davis and Antonio Davis. He knows this small ball is fools gold.

That was then.

This is now.

Game has changed in 20 years.

It was said back then the Pacers were too slow.

I don't know if the game has changed so much. Just look at the teams that are winning these days. Lakers have two 7' in the starting line up. Spurs have Duncan, Boston has KG, Shaq, Perkins and big Baby. Bulls have Noah, Boozer and KT, Orlando Has Howard don't know how much the game has changed still need big players to get to the championship. Miami has Bosh, Big Z and any make shift big in their starting lineup. I don't see why the Knicks always have to go small. IMHO this small ball isn't going to bring any championship. I know Walsh knows it too.

SA changed their offense and they Run.

Lakers are HUGE. They have a very talented roster.

They have Kobe who is a top ten player of all time!

You seem to think that Mike is the wrong man for the job?

Knicks are small, even MDA knows it. But options are limited and you go with the best players you have.

You can lose with the wrong bigs or lose with the right smalls.

In the 90's look at all the talented low post players that were around? David Robinson, Then Duncan, Ewing, Hakeem, Smits, and SHAQ!

The most dominant team was the one who did not have one. The Bulls!

KG is not a dominant player anymore.

Nobody is going to argue that knicks could use size. Its not MDA that is keeping them small, its what is available and when its available.

What good is bringing in a big who is not serviceable on a regular basis? Good answer!

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1/25/2011  12:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2011  12:53 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Maybe he was mislead into think MDA knows how to play big players. You see walsh trying to get him bigs, got him AR, got him Mozgov and got him Turiaff. If you know Walsh always seems positive on Curry which I don't agree with but he does. I think deep down Walsh wants MDA to play bigger.

MDA has played 2 of the 3 guys you mentioned... turiaf is a regular and moz got good minutes in the beginning of the season but showed he was not ready yet. if he shows he's ready i don't see why d'antoni would not play him again. AR is a different story because it's obvious from all reports that he's not doing the things in practice that the coaching staff wants to see for him to be on the court.

I don't know what report was out there that said AR isn't doing the necessary things to be out there. He played Mozgov and scrapped him rendered useless. Alan says that in March Mozgov will get run we will see about that. MDA is starting to piss Donnie off.

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1/25/2011  12:54 PM
Vmart wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Maybe he was mislead into think MDA knows how to play big players. You see walsh trying to get him bigs, got him AR, got him Mozgov and got him Turiaff. If you know Walsh always seems positive on Curry which I don't agree with but he does. I think deep down Walsh wants MDA to play bigger.

MDA has played 2 of the 3 guys you mentioned... turiaf is a regular and moz got good minutes in the beginning of the season but showed he was not ready yet. if he shows he's ready i don't see why d'antoni would not play him again. AR is a different story because it's obvious from all reports that he's not doing the things in practice that the coaching staff wants to see for him to be on the court.

I don't know what report was out there that said AR isn't doing the necessary things to be out there. He played Mozgov and scrapped him rendered useless. Alan says that in March Mozgov will get run we will see about that.

unless guys like hahn and whoever else have an agenda against AR, they are never reporting ANYTHING positive from practices about him. meanwhile, moz is getting rave reviews for his work ethic and how much he's improved from the beginning of this year. im as big of a randolph fan as there is on this board, but it's pretty obvious to me that AR is sulking instead of doing what the coaching staff wants him to or else he'd be getting minutes.

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1/25/2011  1:06 PM
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:from Hahn:

I get the feeling from watching Timofey Mozgov lately in practice and in his pre-game workouts that he's just about ready for a second chance in the rotation. The Knicks obviously could use his size and after going through a tough stretch in which the game got so complicated for him he couldn't even catch a pass, Mozgov seems like he has his confidence back. The trick is to get on the court in meaningful minutes to prove he can make a positive contribution. D'Antoni continues to promote the small-ball strategy -- the latest theory is that it's better for Amar'e to play center because it forces other teams to play small and then there's only one big for him to go up against -- and yet Walsh said he thinks the team needs more size. "We could use another big man," Walsh said. "That's for sure." What good is acquiring a middle-of-the-road center if he's only going to take the bench seat vacated by whomever you traded for him? The goal may be to develop Mozgov to where he can fill that need on a regular basis. And somehow convince D'Antoni to give him a second chance.

Seems like there is a conflict of interest. Walsh is the same guy that went to battle with Smits and Dale Davis and Antonio Davis. He knows this small ball is fools gold.

That was then.

This is now.

Game has changed in 20 years.

It was said back then the Pacers were too slow.

I don't know if the game has changed so much. Just look at the teams that are winning these days. Lakers have two 7' in the starting line up. Spurs have Duncan, Boston has KG, Shaq, Perkins and big Baby. Bulls have Noah, Boozer and KT, Orlando Has Howard don't know how much the game has changed still need big players to get to the championship. Miami has Bosh, Big Z and any make shift big in their starting lineup. I don't see why the Knicks always have to go small. IMHO this small ball isn't going to bring any championship. I know Walsh knows it too.

SA changed their offense and they Run.

Lakers are HUGE. They have a very talented roster.

They have Kobe who is a top ten player of all time!

You seem to think that Mike is the wrong man for the job?

Knicks are small, even MDA knows it. But options are limited and you go with the best players you have.

You can lose with the wrong bigs or lose with the right smalls.

In the 90's look at all the talented low post players that were around? David Robinson, Then Duncan, Ewing, Hakeem, Smits, and SHAQ!

The most dominant team was the one who did not have one. The Bulls!

KG is not a dominant player anymore.

Nobody is going to argue that knicks could use size. Its not MDA that is keeping them small, its what is available and when its available.

What good is bringing in a big who is not serviceable on a regular basis? Good answer!

Yes I think MDA is the wrong guy for the job. I like MDA I think his philosophy is great but he needs to utilize height. You have to have a legit center in there at all time. You give example of Bulls not having a dominant big man, they didn't need one but you can bet Phil Jackson was going to march out Cartwright, Perdue, Wennington, Luke Longley, Scott Williams out there for the simple reason that the team always needed the height factor. This is the point that MDA can't understand he is totally ignoring that need. Walsh knows this and that is why he is talking about getting another big man in.

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1/25/2011  1:41 PM
I can't wait to see Moz back on the floor. He could be our backup 5 next season producing 20 minutes off the bench. As he develops, he could easily become our starter. He's 7+, has moves and athleticism, was getting 2+ bpg before he started to hit a wall, and can shoot midrange. If we can just get his hands a little bit softer (I.e., they are solid rock right now) he could beast down low.
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1/25/2011  4:17 PM
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Vmart wrote:
martin wrote:from Hahn:

I get the feeling from watching Timofey Mozgov lately in practice and in his pre-game workouts that he's just about ready for a second chance in the rotation. The Knicks obviously could use his size and after going through a tough stretch in which the game got so complicated for him he couldn't even catch a pass, Mozgov seems like he has his confidence back. The trick is to get on the court in meaningful minutes to prove he can make a positive contribution. D'Antoni continues to promote the small-ball strategy -- the latest theory is that it's better for Amar'e to play center because it forces other teams to play small and then there's only one big for him to go up against -- and yet Walsh said he thinks the team needs more size. "We could use another big man," Walsh said. "That's for sure." What good is acquiring a middle-of-the-road center if he's only going to take the bench seat vacated by whomever you traded for him? The goal may be to develop Mozgov to where he can fill that need on a regular basis. And somehow convince D'Antoni to give him a second chance.

Seems like there is a conflict of interest. Walsh is the same guy that went to battle with Smits and Dale Davis and Antonio Davis. He knows this small ball is fools gold.

That was then.

This is now.

Game has changed in 20 years.

It was said back then the Pacers were too slow.

I don't know if the game has changed so much. Just look at the teams that are winning these days. Lakers have two 7' in the starting line up. Spurs have Duncan, Boston has KG, Shaq, Perkins and big Baby. Bulls have Noah, Boozer and KT, Orlando Has Howard don't know how much the game has changed still need big players to get to the championship. Miami has Bosh, Big Z and any make shift big in their starting lineup. I don't see why the Knicks always have to go small. IMHO this small ball isn't going to bring any championship. I know Walsh knows it too.

SA changed their offense and they Run.

Lakers are HUGE. They have a very talented roster.

They have Kobe who is a top ten player of all time!

You seem to think that Mike is the wrong man for the job?

Knicks are small, even MDA knows it. But options are limited and you go with the best players you have.

You can lose with the wrong bigs or lose with the right smalls.

In the 90's look at all the talented low post players that were around? David Robinson, Then Duncan, Ewing, Hakeem, Smits, and SHAQ!

The most dominant team was the one who did not have one. The Bulls!

KG is not a dominant player anymore.

Nobody is going to argue that knicks could use size. Its not MDA that is keeping them small, its what is available and when its available.

What good is bringing in a big who is not serviceable on a regular basis? Good answer!

Yes I think MDA is the wrong guy for the job. I like MDA I think his philosophy is great but he needs to utilize height. You have to have a legit center in there at all time. You give example of Bulls not having a dominant big man, they didn't need one but you can bet Phil Jackson was going to march out Cartwright, Perdue, Wennington, Luke Longley, Scott Williams out there for the simple reason that the team always needed the height factor. This is the point that MDA can't understand he is totally ignoring that need. Walsh knows this and that is why he is talking about getting another big man in.


Who is this mystery man? You make assumption that MDA is NOT playing talented bigs.

Eddy? Moz? Turiaf? AR? Eddy makes 13 mil a year and can't play.

Moz? He was not ready.

AR? He is not really ready to be Camby is he?

Forget past seaons. Im talking about this season with this roster.

I hear you man, but where does it come from?

Knicks have Melo in play and can't blow any assets on guys not better than what we have.

They like the Moz!

We are not contenders yet.

Alan has a few words on Rautins, Moz, and possible best guess starting lineup in March

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