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GustavBahler
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1/20/2011  1:38 PM
joec32033 wrote:
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BlueSeats wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Might not be true...

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http://twitter.com/MikeWellsNBA/status/28121664436834305

"@JPCIV @8pts9secs Indy has NOT acquired Randolph. Pacers already have 15 players on the roster and they're over the salary cap."

@8pts9secs Donnie Walsh shot rumor down as well. He said Pacers have not proposed any offers to him for Randolph

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=1515&line=150326&spln=1

"Beat writer Mike Wells is dismissing a rumor that the Knicks have agreed to trade Anthony Randolph to the Pacers.
The original report comes from something called the Business Insider. Until a legitimate news organization with a history of breaking news confirms, we're dismissing this rumor as well. As Wells points out, the Pacers already have 15 guaranteed contracts and are over the salary cap. They couldn't get Randolph just for a first-round pick. Jan. 20 - 12:14 pm et "

I don't think DW is gonna do a straight up trade of him with anybody. Probably just laying groundwork in formulating multi-team blockbuster scenarios.

Makes sense.

FYI Larry Coon tweeted about this and said the Pacers have a trade exemption that would fit Randolph's salary.


Its good that the Knicks have options, but Donnie apparently said that he hasn't heard any offers from Indy, maybe its hush-hush.
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1/20/2011  1:51 PM
I would like to see AR grow with us but on the surface(cannot confirm this of course) it seems like he's not the type of player to play in the pressure cooker of the big city. He may flop here and thrive in a smaller less pressure filled market. I'm okay with trading him as long as we get something legit in return. If this guy blows up, we better have gotten someone that is blowing up with us.

As for AR not playing
1.) He did not earn minutes. He shot 29% and did not appear to fit in our ball movement offense. His play was so bad that it was noticeable when he was on the floor for all the wrong reasons
2.) I wanted to see him get a further look as well, but unfortunately for him Walker and Williams came in and were up and running after 2-3 games. They simply beat him out
3.) He got what 8 or 9 games of being in our rotation. That is 1/9th of the season. That may not be a long time for you. But in the world of "Fire D'Antoni" 1/9 of the season is an eternity.
4.) He has gotten other chances to show something during garbage time and has looked uninspired and has lacked any type of energy. Depresssed or not depressed, if you want to earn minutes and you don't have a lot of practice time then you better be prepared to be the Tazmanian Devil when you do get some minutes. He does not do that. So why would a coach look to him to be the energy guy when the team is flat?
5.) If he has lost his confidence and is pouting he is never going to make it in NY. This town is not for sissies.

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1/20/2011  1:53 PM
Bippity10 wrote:I would like to see AR grow with us but on the surface(cannot confirm this of course) it seems like he's not the type of player to play in the pressure cooker of the big city. He may flop here and thrive in a smaller less pressure filled market. I'm okay with trading him as long as we get something legit in return. If this guy blows up, we better have gotten someone that is blowing up with us.

As for AR not playing
1.) He did not earn minutes. He shot 29% and did not appear to fit in our ball movement offense. His play was so bad that it was noticeable when he was on the floor for all the wrong reasons
2.) I wanted to see him get a further look as well, but unfortunately for him Walker and Williams came in and were up and running after 2-3 games. They simply beat him out
3.) He got what 8 or 9 games of being in our rotation. That is 1/9th of the season. That may not be a long time for you. But in the world of "Fire D'Antoni" 1/9 of the season is an eternity.
4.) He has gotten other chances to show something during garbage time and has looked uninspired and has lacked any type of energy. Depresssed or not depressed, if you want to earn minutes and you don't have a lot of practice time then you better be prepared to be the Tazmanian Devil when you do get some minutes. He does not do that. So why would a coach look to him to be the energy guy when the team is flat?
5.) If he has lost his confidence and is pouting he is never going to make it in NY. This town is not for sissies.

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1/20/2011  3:04 PM
We should have just traded AR for Camby. So simple!
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1/20/2011  3:16 PM
iSergio wrote:The longer you keep Anthony Randolph, the less value he'll have. Trade him ASAP.

This is true. You keep him and give him minutes during which he plays like he has so far, and his value takes a dive. Hell- you keep him this year, give him a chance to develop in the off-season and he fails and ends up on the bench... he also has less value.

The only way I keep him is if you think his play has suffered this year because of his injury, AND YOU BELIEVE THE INJURY WILL HEAL COMPLETELY.

Lets face it, though- he has shown little understanding of the game and its nuances, despite being in the league for 2.5 years and being able to watch and learn from successful NBA players.

An unprotected Indiana #1 would be great.

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1/20/2011  3:50 PM
I think if he showed something in practice he might have gotten a shot. It all boils down to whether you trust the coach or not. Do you think he could've earned time through hard work in practice with MDA? Or do you think once ur in his doghouse nothing will get you out? I tend to believe the latter but I also think the kid wasn't/isn't working that hard although I have absolutely no way to know whats true.
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1/20/2011  3:52 PM
Killa4luv wrote:I think if he showed something in practice he might have gotten a shot. It all boils down to whether you trust the coach or not. Do you think he could've earned time through hard work in practice with MDA? Or do you think once ur in his doghouse nothing will get you out? I tend to believe the latter but I also think the kid wasn't/isn't working that hard although I have absolutely no way to know whats true.

coaches are there to win games. Do you really believe that MDA would see AR kicking ass in practice and not play him?

You want to know one thing that I have not heard? Not one mention from any player that AR is doing good things in practice and that we should see him soon.

With a guy like Williams there was a smattering from both coach and players that he was hitting everything and that it was only time he would get playing time.

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1/20/2011  4:00 PM
As a fan, I want to see this guy get a shot...He is young and talented...He has the athleticism to fill a desperate need for the Knicks..He never got a chance...He should have been afforded the same opportunity Mozgov had...It would be a sad day to see this guy thrive in another organization...We should have been able to see what he had and been satisfied as we were with Mozgov...Now we just don't know...
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1/20/2011  4:02 PM
Indiana's front court rotation is a mess. I think Jim O'Brien uses a magic eight ball to determine his starting power forward is each game to game. I have a hard time seeing Ar thriving their if this rumor is true.
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1/20/2011  4:07 PM
holfresh wrote:As a fan, I want to see this guy get a shot...He is young and talented...He has the athleticism to fill a desperate need for the Knicks..He never got a chance...He should have been afforded the same opportunity Mozgov had...It would be a sad day to see this guy thrive in another organization...We should have been able to see what he had and been satisfied as we were with Mozgov...Now we just don't know...

AR was injured during the beginning of the season... other than that, he played about 1.5 minutes less a game than Moz. What difference is that?

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1/20/2011  4:16 PM
trade him & get back the pick... MDA has moved on a long time ago from him & so should we... he belongs on a team where he'll be given a chance to work through his mistakes on the basketball court... a rebuilding situation like Indiana would be an ideal place for him... if he doesn't work out there, then he's a lost cause... he does this team absolutely zero good sulking on the bench & not seeing minutes until garbage time in blowout losses.
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1/20/2011  4:28 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:As a fan, I want to see this guy get a shot...He is young and talented...He has the athleticism to fill a desperate need for the Knicks..He never got a chance...He should have been afforded the same opportunity Mozgov had...It would be a sad day to see this guy thrive in another organization...We should have been able to see what he had and been satisfied as we were with Mozgov...Now we just don't know...

AR was injured during the beginning of the season... other than that, he played about 1.5 minutes less a game than Moz. What difference is that?

Mozgov got a good look...We were all able to determine what his short comings were with our own eyes very quickly...Can you really say the same about Randolph...
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1/20/2011  4:34 PM
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:As a fan, I want to see this guy get a shot...He is young and talented...He has the athleticism to fill a desperate need for the Knicks..He never got a chance...He should have been afforded the same opportunity Mozgov had...It would be a sad day to see this guy thrive in another organization...We should have been able to see what he had and been satisfied as we were with Mozgov...Now we just don't know...

AR was injured during the beginning of the season... other than that, he played about 1.5 minutes less a game than Moz. What difference is that?

Mozgov got a good look...We were all able to determine what his short comings were with our own eyes very quickly...Can you really say the same about Randolph...

Yes. 28% shooting, chucking shots, lack of court awareness. How about you?

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1/20/2011  5:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2011  5:15 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:As a fan, I want to see this guy get a shot...He is young and talented...He has the athleticism to fill a desperate need for the Knicks..He never got a chance...He should have been afforded the same opportunity Mozgov had...It would be a sad day to see this guy thrive in another organization...We should have been able to see what he had and been satisfied as we were with Mozgov...Now we just don't know...

AR was injured during the beginning of the season... other than that, he played about 1.5 minutes less a game than Moz. What difference is that?

Mozgov got a good look...We were all able to determine what his short comings were with our own eyes very quickly...Can you really say the same about Randolph...

Yes. 28% shooting, chucking shots, lack of court awareness. How about you?

Well over his career he shot 45% if you want to look at that...What he can bring to the Knicks is a little more important than scoring...The Knicks need interior presence right now...I must admit I didn't see that the limited minutes he played...If chucking shots early on was a problem with this coach, Tony Douglas would not be allowed to suit up...Lack of court awareness goes along with limited playing time...It used to drive me nuts seeing Mozgov asking for the ball at the top of the key and trying to drive to the hole with it.. but he learned not to do that the longer he played...This kid is 21 years old, how could his audition be 8 games early in the season...It would kill all of us to see this kid blossom elsewhere...
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1/20/2011  5:44 PM
forget AR, the same people who want MDA to play him, are the same people that want to smack him upside his head when they see him play..

I can't even understand why MDA is being question when AR's previous coach did the same thing to him..dude is by far not ready, why sould he play in a meaning full game that your trying to win when he can't help you win...How do we know that, well he's proven that when he got spot minutes.

When SW got the same spot minutes, he came into the game hit 3 straight 3 pointers, had a put back dunk and a block and we won the game
When AR got the same spot minutes, he came into the game turned the ball over, took a couple of ridiculous 20 foot jumpers, and miss 2 defensive assignments, we loss the game.

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1/20/2011  6:15 PM
Let him go already. We need some players that can produce now and if AR can give us those players, then great. He was drafted 14th in 2008. Indiana is presently 8th in the East so their pick will probably go somewhere between 14 and 17. AR needs to get to a new place where he will be given more opportunity to develop. I see it as a win-win-win situation.
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1/20/2011  6:19 PM
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:As a fan, I want to see this guy get a shot...He is young and talented...He has the athleticism to fill a desperate need for the Knicks..He never got a chance...He should have been afforded the same opportunity Mozgov had...It would be a sad day to see this guy thrive in another organization...We should have been able to see what he had and been satisfied as we were with Mozgov...Now we just don't know...

AR was injured during the beginning of the season... other than that, he played about 1.5 minutes less a game than Moz. What difference is that?

Mozgov got a good look...We were all able to determine what his short comings were with our own eyes very quickly...Can you really say the same about Randolph...

Yes. 28% shooting, chucking shots, lack of court awareness. How about you?

Well over his career he shot 45% if you want to look at that...What he can bring to the Knicks is a little more important than scoring...The Knicks need interior presence right now...I must admit I didn't see that the limited minutes he played...If chucking shots early on was a problem with this coach, Tony Douglas would not be allowed to suit up...Lack of court awareness goes along with limited playing time...It used to drive me nuts seeing Mozgov asking for the ball at the top of the key and trying to drive to the hole with it.. but he learned not to do that the longer he played...This kid is 21 years old, how could his audition be 8 games early in the season...It would kill all of us to see this kid blossom elsewhere...

Totally agree. He averaged under 10 minutes for all but one of those 8 games.
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1/20/2011  8:36 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:As a fan, I want to see this guy get a shot...He is young and talented...He has the athleticism to fill a desperate need for the Knicks..He never got a chance...He should have been afforded the same opportunity Mozgov had...It would be a sad day to see this guy thrive in another organization...We should have been able to see what he had and been satisfied as we were with Mozgov...Now we just don't know...

AR was injured during the beginning of the season... other than that, he played about 1.5 minutes less a game than Moz. What difference is that?

Mozgov got a good look...We were all able to determine what his short comings were with our own eyes very quickly...Can you really say the same about Randolph...

Yes. 28% shooting, chucking shots, lack of court awareness. How about you?

Well over his career he shot 45% if you want to look at that...What he can bring to the Knicks is a little more important than scoring...The Knicks need interior presence right now...I must admit I didn't see that the limited minutes he played...If chucking shots early on was a problem with this coach, Tony Douglas would not be allowed to suit up...Lack of court awareness goes along with limited playing time...It used to drive me nuts seeing Mozgov asking for the ball at the top of the key and trying to drive to the hole with it.. but he learned not to do that the longer he played...This kid is 21 years old, how could his audition be 8 games early in the season...It would kill all of us to see this kid blossom elsewhere...

Totally agree. He averaged under 10 minutes for all but one of those 8 games.

you guys do realize that playing time in earned in practice, right? especially for a guy who is not a starter and has Amare in front of him in the PF position pecking order?

several reporters who have been at practice have said that AR is lackadaisical and still doing the not-so-good thing that he did early in the year.

come on guys, this is not too hard to figure out.

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1/20/2011  9:28 PM
I never understood the fascination over this kid. Randolph is WACK....he runs out there full speed like a chicken with its head cut off. no direction and no focus.

I dont like a lot of the things MDA does but not playing this kid isn't one of them. Cut this chump loose...if he improves with another team, then good for him but it would be because he matured and has accepted his place in the NBA as a "role" player and not because of coaching. BRING ME MELO!!!
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1/20/2011  10:34 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:I never understood the fascination over this kid. Randolph is WACK....he runs out there full speed like a chicken with its head cut off. no direction and no focus.

LOL that's the best description I have heard yet. very funny

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