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1/19/2011  7:36 PM
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1/19/2011  7:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2011  7:41 PM
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iSergio wrote:Denver needs to save face and just take Danilo Gallinari, Eddy Curry and two 1st Round picks.

It's better than nothing. : /

word... who's gonna give them better than that for a Melo rental? unless the Bulls or some other blackhorse team steps up to the plate & Melo is willing to go there, i don't see how the Nuggets can get better than that package.

Just to be clear, say we got Melo w/o having to include Wilson Chandler in the deal, would we then be able to exceed the cap next summer to re-up Chandler? I think we would then be able to utilize his bird rights, no? Not sure..
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1/19/2011  7:50 PM
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1/19/2011  8:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2011  8:10 PM
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TMS wrote:
iSergio wrote:Denver needs to save face and just take Danilo Gallinari, Eddy Curry and two 1st Round picks.

It's better than nothing. : /

word... who's gonna give them better than that for a Melo rental? unless the Bulls or some other blackhorse team steps up to the plate & Melo is willing to go there, i don't see how the Nuggets can get better than that package.

Just to be clear, say we got Melo w/o having to include Wilson Chandler in the deal, would we then be able to exceed the cap next summer to re-up Chandler? I think we would then be able to utilize his bird rights, no? Not sure..

depends on the new CBA... if they allow for Bird Right exceptions, then yeah, we can keep Wilson by exceeding the cap to re-sign him in that scenario

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1/19/2011  8:16 PM
quite interesting strategy by the nets...

actually, possibly a cya move for them who are being increasingly humiliated as an organization by what has transpired, plus being forced by denver to give more...

clearly, they were being asked to give more and more to the point where it wasn't worth it to let that happen...but it is probably more than that...

i am not certain the nets are out of it entirely...

however, watching nbatv now, it sounds like it's possible they weren't sure melo would say yes, even with jay-z and prokhorov proposing the meeting with him VIA THE MEDIA...

sounds to me like the meeting may have not been confirmed, but merely APPROVED by the nuggets (based on what i am hearing)...

so, was it that the nets were like, "oh ish, we just don't know if he'll come?"

or is it that they are just playing hardball against denver and world wide wes's own hardball game...

truly a unique situation...

i don't think any of us can predict this outcome...

the game ain't over, and the nets aren't necessarily dead...as much as i hate to say it

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1/19/2011  8:20 PM
WOW this is hilarious.

Denver still doesnt have to do a dam thing though. Their problem is they keep trying to "tweak" the deal continuously.

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1/19/2011  8:21 PM
i believe there is a good chance this posturing to the fullest.

or there are variables we aren't clear on.

nets know no other team other than the knicks are real contenders, and they have the assets and cash denver wants most.

they have a month to chill. the nets have less to lose than the nuggets, and now that the nuggets are playing hardball, the nets may have just said, "enough."

the nets are not out of the running, imho.

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1/19/2011  8:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2011  8:23 PM
AnubisADL wrote:WOW this is hilarious.

Denver still doesnt have to do a dam thing though. Their problem is they keep trying to "tweak" the deal continuously.

not sure what you mean here.

maybe i misunderstand you, but if denver doesn't do a damn thing, melo walks for zip.

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1/19/2011  8:32 PM
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BlueSeats wrote:Sounds like a bargaining position to me. "I'm done here. Until you reduce your demands."

I agree.

I agree, too. Still five weeks to the trade deadline. Plenty of time for "both sides to cool off." In fact, I guarantee we see Adrian Wojo use that phrase in an article about Melo and the Nets.

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1/19/2011  8:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2011  8:33 PM
PresIke wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:WOW this is hilarious.

Denver still doesnt have to do a dam thing though. Their problem is they keep trying to "tweak" the deal continuously.

not sure what you mean here.

maybe i misunderstand you, but if denver doesn't do a damn thing, melo walks for zip.

Odds of Melo opting out of 18.5 million with no CBA in place is slim to none. Rinse and repeat this process next season when the new CBA is in place.

Melo isnt fooling anyone. He wants that money which is why his management is pressing for a trade. He could have easily deaded this whole thing by following Wade, Lebron, and Bosh.

Denver is CLEARLY the one holding up negotiations. Detroit has Hamilton collecting DNP CD's in anticipation of the deal going through. Denver is playing tough because they know Melo wants that $$$. If they were certain he would skate they'd have traded him already.

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1/19/2011  8:35 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:Sounds like a bargaining position to me. "I'm done here. Until you reduce your demands."

I agree.


Unless he has some info from a source (Melo related) who gives him info saying there is no way the trade goes down, even if Denver is happy with the particulars.
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1/19/2011  8:35 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
PresIke wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:WOW this is hilarious.

Denver still doesnt have to do a dam thing though. Their problem is they keep trying to "tweak" the deal continuously.

not sure what you mean here.

maybe i misunderstand you, but if denver doesn't do a damn thing, melo walks for zip.

Odds of Melo opting out of 18.5 million with no CBA in place is slim to none. Rinse and repeat this process next season when the new CBA is in place.

Melo isnt fooling anyone. He wants that money which is why his management is pressing for a trade. He could have easily deaded this whole thing by following Wade, Lebron, and Bosh.

Denver is CLEARLY the one holding up negotiations. Detroit has Hamilton collecting DNP CD's in anticipation of the deal going through. Denver is playing tough because they know Melo wants that $$$. If they were certain he would skate they'd have traded him already.

he could have deaded all this from the very beginning by simply signing that extension DEN offered him... obviously there's more to it for him than just the money.

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1/19/2011  8:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2011  8:43 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
PresIke wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:WOW this is hilarious.

Denver still doesnt have to do a dam thing though. Their problem is they keep trying to "tweak" the deal continuously.

not sure what you mean here.

maybe i misunderstand you, but if denver doesn't do a damn thing, melo walks for zip.

Odds of Melo opting out of 18.5 million with no CBA in place is slim to none. Rinse and repeat this next season when the new CBA is in place.

Melo isnt fooling anyone. He wants that money which is why his management is pressing for a trade. He could have easily deaded this whole thing by following Wade, Lebron, and Bosh.

Denver is CLEARLY the one holding up negotiations. Detroit has Hamilton collecting DNP CD's in anticipation of the deal going through. Denver is playing tough because they know Melo wants that $$$. If they were certain he would skate they'd have traded him already.

he obviously wants more than the money. it ain't like the nuggets aren't offering the extension.

so he's calling their bluff to help meet his needs.

if the knicks had what the nuggets wanted they'd probably take it, even if begrudgingly.

but the nets will eventually be a ny team, so he will be where he wants (close enough, at least), plus the nets have more what the nuggets want, and are more desperate.


the nuggets don't like that he wants to leave, and COULD walk, but also like that the nets have seemed willing to give up more and have assets they are most interested in...so, are trying to get as much as they can.

if the nuggets KNOW for a fact melo stays then why are they even considering trading him?

clearly, they think it's a HUGE risk, because they are afraid of a REPEAT of Lebron/Bosh/Amar'e.

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1/19/2011  8:42 PM
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AnubisADL wrote:
PresIke wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:WOW this is hilarious.

Denver still doesnt have to do a dam thing though. Their problem is they keep trying to "tweak" the deal continuously.

not sure what you mean here.

maybe i misunderstand you, but if denver doesn't do a damn thing, melo walks for zip.

Odds of Melo opting out of 18.5 million with no CBA in place is slim to none. Rinse and repeat this process next season when the new CBA is in place.

Melo isnt fooling anyone. He wants that money which is why his management is pressing for a trade. He could have easily deaded this whole thing by following Wade, Lebron, and Bosh.

Denver is CLEARLY the one holding up negotiations. Detroit has Hamilton collecting DNP CD's in anticipation of the deal going through. Denver is playing tough because they know Melo wants that $$$. If they were certain he would skate they'd have traded him already.

he could have deaded all this from the very beginning by simply signing that extension DEN offered him... obviously there's more to it for him than just the money.

thank you. if he only cared about the $$ just re-up with the nuggets...

but he won't.

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1/19/2011  8:42 PM
Go for the kill Donnie!!

In all seriousness, hopefully this allows Donnie to get to the table and make a reasonable deal with Denver to end this. Donnie has played this perfectly so far and has refused to overpay up to the point where it looks like the only major bidder has dropped out (I say looks like because Russian Mark Cuban could be bluffing for all we know but doesn't look that way as of right now).

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1/19/2011  8:47 PM
This is no surprise. Melo didn't want to play for the Nets. Everyone was just posturing and making it look good and maybe hoping that Melo would change his mind.

Now we just have to be careful that no other team steps in to somehow do a deal. The Nuggets may wait til the trade deadline or even after the playoffs? Donnie is now on the hotseat to see if he can pull something off. But the Nuggets aren't going to necessarily bite on the first offer.

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1/19/2011  8:56 PM
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
PresIke wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:WOW this is hilarious.

Denver still doesnt have to do a dam thing though. Their problem is they keep trying to "tweak" the deal continuously.

not sure what you mean here.

maybe i misunderstand you, but if denver doesn't do a damn thing, melo walks for zip.

Odds of Melo opting out of 18.5 million with no CBA in place is slim to none. Rinse and repeat this process next season when the new CBA is in place.

Melo isnt fooling anyone. He wants that money which is why his management is pressing for a trade. He could have easily deaded this whole thing by following Wade, Lebron, and Bosh.

Denver is CLEARLY the one holding up negotiations. Detroit has Hamilton collecting DNP CD's in anticipation of the deal going through. Denver is playing tough because they know Melo wants that $$$. If they were certain he would skate they'd have traded him already.

he could have deaded all this from the very beginning by simply signing that extension DEN offered him... obviously there's more to it for him than just the money.

NJ has been trying to hammer out a deal with Denver for the last 3 months. Do you seriously believe in all that time no one in the Nets organization asked Leon Rose if Melo was willing to come to NJ.

I think NJ has better things to do than fake hustle a Carmelo trade 3 times.

Melo wants his money and doesnt want to be in Denver. An extension after a trade is ideal scenario for Carmelo. If it wasn't about the money there wouldn't trade talks.

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1/19/2011  8:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2011  9:00 PM
Markji wrote:This is no surprise. Melo didn't want to play for the Nets. Everyone was just posturing and making it look good and maybe hoping that Melo would change his mind.

Now we just have to be careful that no other team steps in to somehow do a deal. The Nuggets may wait til the trade deadline or even after the playoffs? Donnie is now on the hotseat to see if he can pull something off. But the Nuggets aren't going to necessarily bite on the first offer.

How does one come to that definitive conclusion?

Could it be that Denver kept trying to modify the deal as it has been reported?

Carmelo has been quoted as saying Masai(Denver GM) knows where Melo wants to go. So you think Masai has nothing better to do then create fantasy 3 team trades with NJ? Come on now.

Why not create fantasy trades with Houston, Charlotte, and whoever else wants Melo.

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1/19/2011  9:00 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
PresIke wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:WOW this is hilarious.

Denver still doesnt have to do a dam thing though. Their problem is they keep trying to "tweak" the deal continuously.

not sure what you mean here.

maybe i misunderstand you, but if denver doesn't do a damn thing, melo walks for zip.

Odds of Melo opting out of 18.5 million with no CBA in place is slim to none. Rinse and repeat this process next season when the new CBA is in place.

Melo isnt fooling anyone. He wants that money which is why his management is pressing for a trade. He could have easily deaded this whole thing by following Wade, Lebron, and Bosh.

Denver is CLEARLY the one holding up negotiations. Detroit has Hamilton collecting DNP CD's in anticipation of the deal going through. Denver is playing tough because they know Melo wants that $$$. If they were certain he would skate they'd have traded him already.

he could have deaded all this from the very beginning by simply signing that extension DEN offered him... obviously there's more to it for him than just the money.

NJ has been trying to hammer out a deal with Denver for the last 3 months. Do you seriously believe in all that time no one in the Nets organization asked Leon Rose if Melo was willing to come to NJ.

I think NJ has better things to do than fake hustle a Carmelo trade 3 times.

Melo wants his money and doesnt want to be in Denver. An extension after a trade is ideal scenario for Carmelo. If it wasn't about the money there wouldn't trade talks.

no, but i do seriously believe that if it was all just about the money for Melo then he would have signed that extension a long time ago... there are obviously other factors influencing his hesitation to sign in this case... future prospects of the team he's committing to play on for one... NY location for another.

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1/19/2011  9:05 PM
TMS wrote:no, but i do seriously believe that if it was all just about the money for Melo then he would have signed that extension a long time ago... there are obviously other factors influencing his hesitation to sign in this case... future prospects of the team he's committing to play on for one... NY location for another.

Im not saying Carmelo is 100% about the $$$. Of course other factors like location come into play.

Im saying $$$ is the main factor in Carmelo trying to get traded to his preferred destination.

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