Vmart wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:i still think MDA could've handled this situation better. it's the coaches job to bring out the talent or fit the talent into the system, no?

I agree with you.

+2. I agree with you guys.. To me, he bailed on a kid that could've been helping him all along..

martin wrote:

Travla wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Travla wrote:Dantoni simply doesn't like Randolph and it's a personal thing. Everyone one on this team makes mistakes and misses assignments. If he wanted Randolph to play, he simply has to tell him what he wants (hustle, play defense and no offense unless it's putbacks or tip-ins), it's that simple, Randolph could simply play like Turiaf does and if Randolf doesn't want to do that, then he has to go....to the bench or somewhere else. This guy came here with a ton of upside, were some many coaches, players and others all dilusional?? Randolph is young and raw but he cannot refine his game on the bench. This kid will learn to reign it in and it's a shame he'll have to do it elsewhere.

Thats a pretty strong statement. Do you have any quotes to support your comment?

No I don't, it's simply my feelings about it. If I got a player that supossedly has the upside of Randolph, I would work to bring that out ASAP. At the very least I'd have him on the floor doing what Turiaf does, play defense, get rebounds, clog up the middle. This 8 man rotation will come back to bite the team in the coming months. Both Moz and Randolph would be on the floor for about 10 minutes apiece to clog the middle if nothing else.

and after going 3-8 the first 11 games in the season, you would have gone another 3-8 and then would have been fired, right?

A winner, a player that's worthy of support and admiration, a winning player would approach the situation in a manner that is opposite of the way AR handled it. A winning player would say to himself "OK, I'm not doing something right, I need to fix myself, and if I fix myself and learn from this, I will shine next time I get an opportunity, and you know what, I will work so hard and with so much dedication that my actions will demand another opportunity". What AR did was say "I am AR, I am awesome, Coach Mike is a punk dummy who should give me time no matter what I do, and if he doesn't give me time it's his fault, not mine, because I am perfect" and then he proceeded to pout and cry when he didn't get his way, culminating in his trade demand. And you have fans who mirror this sentiment.

So you can call this hate, I say it's calling it like it is. A fan's stance on the AR situation is indicative of his philosophy on life, it tells me how that person conducts himself in his day to day activities, and any fan that supports AR at the expense of Coach Mike is a human being on a deeply flawed course which will leave him bitter and grumpy at the end of his years.

Sangfroid wrote:

martin wrote:For those of you who don't think MDA's teams is the best place for AR (i.e. known to be the most player-friendly offense out there), I'd like to know what team with what coach would be a better fit for AR. Exactly the team this year. Perhaps one with a suck ass record and a coach who doesn't care about playing in a way that's positive for the team as a whole? Which team is that?

Is it Sacramento? Where the coach is gonna get fired but players can make a ton of mistakes (and sometime regress like Evans?)
Nets with the little admiral? BTW, Lopez hates the coach.
Milwaukee, the young player friendly coach? Actually, he's not that friendly to young players who make mistakes.

Where?

I don't know. Maybe we need to get his mother on the line like Wesphal does with Cousins. Maybe she canget some production outta him

I figured I would get crickets on that one.

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

martin wrote:For those of you who don't think MDA's teams is the best place for AR (i.e. known to be the most player-friendly offense out there), I'd like to know what team with what coach would be a better fit for AR. Exactly the team this year. Perhaps one with a suck ass record and a coach who doesn't care about playing in a way that's positive for the team as a whole? Which team is that?

Is it Sacramento? Where the coach is gonna get fired but players can make a ton of mistakes (and sometime regress like Evans?)
Nets with the little admiral? BTW, Lopez hates the coach.
Milwaukee, the young player friendly coach? Actually, he's not that friendly to young players who make mistakes.

Where?

I don't know. Maybe we need to get his mother on the line like Wesphal does with Cousins. Maybe she canget some production outta him

I figured I would get crickets on that one.

you get crickets because by the way you phrased your question, everyone knows you've already reached your own conclusion regardless of what anyone says... but i'll bite... a rebuilding team would seem to be the ideal for a developing player like AR... there are plenty of young, raw players like him getting playing time throughout the NBA, players that still don't understand the fundamentals of the game but are high on raw talent & ability that their respective franchises are trying to develop... kids like Deandre Jordan, Jordan Hill, Derrick Favors, DeMarcus Cousins, etc... do u honestly think their franchises have no desire to teach these guys about playing in a way that's positive for the team as a whole? they're playing BECAUSE their franchises are trying to teach them these things while getting experience in real NBA action... they don't want them on the bench wasting their talent while degrading their confidence & value watching inferior teammates try & teach them how to play the game of basketball, they want these kids to learn on the job... it's a tactic that is commonly used by rebuilding teams with young players on their roster.

as for exact specific teams out there that might be interested in AR, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Donnie Walsh has some takers out there that view AR as a piece that's worth trading for, otherwise he wouldn't be alluding to us trading him for 1st round picks... who those exact teams are is anyone's guess, maybe a team like Indiana, Portland, Minnesota, Philly or Memphis might be takers... i'm sure AR could become a regular part of all their rotations.

They're also on garbage teams and have the luxury of letting those players play no matter how much they fork up.

We're running a winning club here, a playoff team. You can't sacrifice a playoff appearance just because you want AR, the bum, to get minutes.

Imagine the outrage if the Knicks weren't playing playoff ball this year. People would be calling for Donnie's and Mike's heads.

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

martin wrote:For those of you who don't think MDA's teams is the best place for AR (i.e. known to be the most player-friendly offense out there), I'd like to know what team with what coach would be a better fit for AR. Exactly the team this year. Perhaps one with a suck ass record and a coach who doesn't care about playing in a way that's positive for the team as a whole? Which team is that?

Is it Sacramento? Where the coach is gonna get fired but players can make a ton of mistakes (and sometime regress like Evans?)
Nets with the little admiral? BTW, Lopez hates the coach.
Milwaukee, the young player friendly coach? Actually, he's not that friendly to young players who make mistakes.

Where?

I don't know. Maybe we need to get his mother on the line like Wesphal does with Cousins. Maybe she canget some production outta him

I figured I would get crickets on that one.

you get crickets because by the way you phrased your question, everyone knows you've already reached your own conclusion regardless of what anyone says... but i'll bite... a rebuilding team would seem to be the ideal for a developing player like AR... there are plenty of young, raw players like him getting playing time throughout the NBA, players that still don't understand the fundamentals of the game but are high on raw talent & ability that their respective franchises are trying to develop... kids like Deandre Jordan, Jordan Hill, Derrick Favors, DeMarcus Cousins, etc... do u honestly think their franchises have no desire to teach these guys about playing in a way that's positive for the team as a whole? they're playing BECAUSE their franchises are trying to teach them these things while getting experience in real NBA action... they don't want them on the bench wasting their talent while degrading their confidence & value watching inferior teammates try & teach them how to play the game of basketball, they want these kids to learn on the job... it's a tactic that is commonly used by rebuilding teams with young players on their roster.

as for exact specific teams out there that might be interested in AR, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Donnie Walsh has some takers out there that view AR as a piece that's worth trading for, otherwise he wouldn't be alluding to us trading him for 1st round picks... who those exact teams are is anyone's guess, maybe a team like Indiana, Portland, Minnesota, Philly or Memphis might be takers... i'm sure AR could become a regular part of all their rotations.

Don't know about Portland on your list but I agree the fact that rebuilding team might take a longer look at AR but as people note it we are not those teams. I do believe he is getting tought by Knicks coaches even if you don't believe that. As I already noted, it is a two way street.

rp wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

martin wrote:For those of you who don't think MDA's teams is the best place for AR (i.e. known to be the most player-friendly offense out there), I'd like to know what team with what coach would be a better fit for AR. Exactly the team this year. Perhaps one with a suck ass record and a coach who doesn't care about playing in a way that's positive for the team as a whole? Which team is that?

Is it Sacramento? Where the coach is gonna get fired but players can make a ton of mistakes (and sometime regress like Evans?)
Nets with the little admiral? BTW, Lopez hates the coach.
Milwaukee, the young player friendly coach? Actually, he's not that friendly to young players who make mistakes.

Where?

I don't know. Maybe we need to get his mother on the line like Wesphal does with Cousins. Maybe she canget some production outta him

I figured I would get crickets on that one.

you get crickets because by the way you phrased your question, everyone knows you've already reached your own conclusion regardless of what anyone says... but i'll bite... a rebuilding team would seem to be the ideal for a developing player like AR... there are plenty of young, raw players like him getting playing time throughout the NBA, players that still don't understand the fundamentals of the game but are high on raw talent & ability that their respective franchises are trying to develop... kids like Deandre Jordan, Jordan Hill, Derrick Favors, DeMarcus Cousins, etc... do u honestly think their franchises have no desire to teach these guys about playing in a way that's positive for the team as a whole? they're playing BECAUSE their franchises are trying to teach them these things while getting experience in real NBA action... they don't want them on the bench wasting their talent while degrading their confidence & value watching inferior teammates try & teach them how to play the game of basketball, they want these kids to learn on the job... it's a tactic that is commonly used by rebuilding teams with young players on their roster.

as for exact specific teams out there that might be interested in AR, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Donnie Walsh has some takers out there that view AR as a piece that's worth trading for, otherwise he wouldn't be alluding to us trading him for 1st round picks... who those exact teams are is anyone's guess, maybe a team like Indiana, Portland, Minnesota, Philly or Memphis might be takers... i'm sure AR could become a regular part of all their rotations.

Don't know about Portland on your list but I agree the fact that rebuilding team might take a longer look at AR but as people note it we are not those teams. I do believe he is getting tought by Knicks coaches even if you don't believe that. As I already noted, it is a two way street.

i understand the fact that AR no longer factors into the Knicks' plans... that doesn't mean he can't factor into the plans of other teams... whether it's any of the teams i listed or other teams like the Clippers, Bucks, Raptors, Pistons or whoever else... i see no reason why AR couldn't be a match for at least a few of those teams' needs as part of their rotation... just like if we had AR on the Knicks last year when we were a 29 win team trying to rebuild he should have seen regular burn, only our coach has not shown any penchant to play young players like him who don't yet understand the fundamentals of the NBA game... therein lies the complaint by those who have been calling for MDA to show more patience when it comes to young players like him... when you use up valuable assets like lottery picks & allstar veterans in trades to bring in players like this, you hope that your coach can work with these guys & integrate them into the offense... i think everyone is in agreement here that we need to get back some usable assets for AR in a trade... he obviously has no future in NY playing for this head coach.

tj23 wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:Ain't no one hatin', we just be contemplatin'. I'm sayin' though, AR is a bum. Part of being a fan is calling out the bums when you see them. Look, you go into this profession knowing that you're playing in front of a lot of people. If you can't handle that, if you get depressed, start moping when things get tough, you're a bum. There's nothing to it.

A winner, a player that's worthy of support and admiration, a winning player would approach the situation in a manner that is opposite of the way AR handled it. A winning player would say to himself "OK, I'm not doing something right, I need to fix myself, and if I fix myself and learn from this, I will shine next time I get an opportunity, and you know what, I will work so hard and with so much dedication that my actions will demand another opportunity". What AR did was say "I am AR, I am awesome, Coach Mike is a punk dummy who should give me time no matter what I do, and if he doesn't give me time it's his fault, not mine, because I am perfect" and then he proceeded to pout and cry when he didn't get his way, culminating in his trade demand. And you have fans who mirror this sentiment.

So you can call this hate, I say it's calling it like it is. A fan's stance on the AR situation is indicative of his philosophy on life, it tells me how that person conducts himself in his day to day activities, and any fan that supports AR at the expense of Coach Mike is a human being on a deeply flawed course which will leave him bitter and grumpy at the end of his years.

I hear you. I consider him a whiny bum too but i have no idea what his work ethic is like.