TMS wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Sorry, no way I'm paying Max money for a 'Star' that doesn't play defense.

i guess you were one of the same people saying we'd be wasting max dollars on bringing Amare to NY because he plays no defense either.

Say we do get Melo.

The Knicks will still have the same exact needs as we do now: rebounding, defense, and a backup PG. Only we'll have a much smaller budget to fill those needs. That's gotta be a concern for you, no?

Giving up Randolph for a player that we may have for 1 more year is a risk but we clear more money in 2012 to make a run at Dwight Howard. In meantime we have Camby a player who will help us make serious noise in the playoffs.

The problem is the Blazers are looking to make the playoffs and will need Camby to do so.

TMS wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Sorry, no way I'm paying Max money for a 'Star' that doesn't play defense.

i guess you were one of the same people saying we'd be wasting max dollars on bringing Amare to NY because he plays no defense either.

Say we do get Melo.

The Knicks will still have the same exact needs as we do now: rebounding, defense, and a backup PG. Only we'll have a much smaller budget to fill those needs. That's gotta be a concern for you, no?

the Knicks will also be a lot tougher to defend for other teams, especially in postseason play where the game almost always degrades into isolation plays & finding ways to counter double teams on your top players... i think people are completely minimizing the impact that adding a top tier scorer like Melo to this team would have, especially how he would make it impossible for other teams to double team on Amare down low... he's also the top rebounding SF in the NBA... not trying to be sarcastic but i could pretty much give a rat's arse about a backup PG right now that's a minor concern you can fill by other means... either by trading TD or picking one up on a minimum contract... when u have top level star players u will make this team a helluva lot more attractive for other players to wanna come here, it's not out of the question to think that guys like Earl Watson would wanna come here for a chance at winning a championship in 2011 playing alongside Amare, Melo, Felton & the rest of the supporting cast who IMO would almost certainly include at least 1 of the Gallo/Wilson/Fields trio (if u believe what DW has put out there when he says he won't gut the team)

Could happen. Would love Earl Watson as a backup.

Knixkik wrote:

TMS wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Sorry, no way I'm paying Max money for a 'Star' that doesn't play defense.

i guess you were one of the same people saying we'd be wasting max dollars on bringing Amare to NY because he plays no defense either.

Say we do get Melo.

The Knicks will still have the same exact needs as we do now: rebounding, defense, and a backup PG. Only we'll have a much smaller budget to fill those needs. That's gotta be a concern for you, no?

the Knicks will also be a lot tougher to defend for other teams, especially in postseason play where the game almost always degrades into isolation plays & finding ways to counter double teams on your top players... i think people are completely minimizing the impact that adding a top tier scorer like Melo to this team would have, especially how he would make it impossible for other teams to double team on Amare down low... he's also the top rebounding SF in the NBA... not trying to be sarcastic but i could pretty much give a rat's arse about a backup PG right now that's a minor concern you can fill by other means... either by trading TD or picking one up on a minimum contract... when u have top level star players u will make this team a helluva lot more attractive for other players to wanna come here, it's not out of the question to think that guys like Earl Watson would wanna come here for a chance at winning a championship in 2011 playing alongside Amare, Melo, Felton & the rest of the supporting cast who IMO would almost certainly include at least 1 of the Gallo/Wilson/Fields trio (if u believe what DW has put out there when he says he won't gut the team)

Backup PG is easy to address, we can do it with a LLE or late 1st round pick. Big man, not so much.

ur right... top tier bigmen are a very rare commodity these days in the NBA... i'm sure if there were any worthwhile big men out there to target that would have a bigger impact than Melo we'd be talking about them right now.

Camby is a nice player to have but he's not a franchise changing talent... Melo is... if u can get Camby here after making a move for the big fish, you're looking at a real championship contender, but i don't think u take urself out of the running for a player like Melo by making a move to get Camby now, just like it was smart to wait on signing someone like David Lee to a 6 year extension before we knew what was gonna happen with the other bigname FA's this past summer.

OldFan wrote:

TMS wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Sorry, no way I'm paying Max money for a 'Star' that doesn't play defense.

i guess you were one of the same people saying we'd be wasting max dollars on bringing Amare to NY because he plays no defense either.

Say we do get Melo.

The Knicks will still have the same exact needs as we do now: rebounding, defense, and a backup PG. Only we'll have a much smaller budget to fill those needs. That's gotta be a concern for you, no?

the Knicks will also be a lot tougher to defend for other teams, especially in postseason play where the game almost always degrades into isolation plays & finding ways to counter double teams on your top players... i think people are completely minimizing the impact that adding a top tier scorer like Melo to this team would have, especially how he would make it impossible for other teams to double team on Amare down low... he's also the top rebounding SF in the NBA... not trying to be sarcastic but i could pretty much give a rat's arse about a backup PG right now that's a minor concern you can fill by other means... either by trading TD or picking one up on a minimum contract... when u have top level star players u will make this team a helluva lot more attractive for other players to wanna come here, it's not out of the question to think that guys like Earl Watson would wanna come here for a chance at winning a championship in 2011 playing alongside Amare, Melo, Felton & the rest of the supporting cast who IMO would almost certainly include at least 1 of the Gallo/Wilson/Fields trio (if u believe what DW has put out there when he says he won't gut the team)

It would be great to have Mello helping us deal with more intense defense in the playoffs. You may very well be right in the playoffs with more intense defense and multiple games to adjust your defensive schemes our offense may not be good enough.

I just think it's a lesser problem. Our defense is not even good enough for the regular season.

I don't think with Mello our offense is going to be significantly better then other contenders offenses. I think our defense will be significantly worse.

I can see your argument about MDA not focusing on D. And your argument that we need another superstar. I just disagree that he's the right superstar to put us in contention. I'd prefer to see how things develop and leave our options open a little longer. On the other hand if it happens I'm not going to think DW has lost his mind - it's a reasonable way to go.

i agree Melo's got some warts just like any other option we have to consider at this point & it would be nice to have the ability to custom tailor a player to fit our exact needs, but we don't really have that luxury unfortunately... if there was a set blueprint on how to build a guaranteed championship team, then every team in the NBA would be following it... what we need to do is try & put together the best roster that can run this system & then hope that's enough to take us to where we wanna go... otherwise we need to start over with a different coach who will preach a different system & target different players