SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Groundbreaking stuff, bro.

Why was this thread even needed with all the other anti-Gallo threads available for you to post in??

Was there anything said here that was different from comments made elsewhere on UK by some?

Williams, by the way, has not played as well recently- perhaps teams are watching him a bit more closely now. Walker is defensively challenged, to put it mildly. Both are on the team I root for, and I root for both of them, but each has their specific deficiencies, and neither are as good (or will ever be as good) as Gallinari.

And now Turiaf having a good game is somehow related to our not needing Gallinari? That is some stretch, my friend.

Keep on putting out original and stimulating threads such as this one...

...they're a pleasure to read.

orangeblobman wrote:

iSergio wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

iSergio wrote:In the last 4 games, both Shawne Williams and Bill Walker have combined for 17 ppg and hit 14/35 from three (40%). Equal to what Danilo Gallinari was contributing.

The Gallinari homers can stick it. We don't need him. He's a VERY small piece to the puzzle. His role is just not that important. He's the 4th or 5th best player on this team.

What? Two players COMBINED to equal what Gallinari, alone, was contributing? And neither of those two have all the awesome extras that Gallinari quietly brings to the table every night.

BALLLER, WHAT?!?!?!?! HATERS, GTHOT, HATERSSSSSs!!

WHAT EXTRAS!!! What the heck are you all watching! Danilo Gallinari doesn't provide ANY intangibles! He's an outside shooter!!! He doesn't rebound, do the dirty work or play great shutdown defense (he's average).

ZOMG!!! WHAT!!?!?!
What extras? (in no particular order):

1. Defense - what!? Have you seen him D people up? His long arms and height make him hard to beat, even when you think you've beaten him, he's right there, like a SPIDER!

2. Free throws (aka drawing fouls) - WHat!? The only other person I can compare his ability to draw fouls to is Kevin Durant, and Durant gets some type of star treatment at this point. Gallo will drive to the hole and it's hard not to foul him. Can he drive more? Yes, but that's all about maturity, which leads me to...

3. Age - He's 22, for Peter's sake, the great Apostle at the supper. He's a young baller with so much upside it's not even funny, and he continues to improve and improve his mental.

4. He's tall! - You can't teach height

5. He's so skilled - Drops trey buckets, can drive, can shoot free throws, can steal the ball, can defend, can run the floors.

6. He is clutch! - How many times have we seen him drop buckets late in the game, ice cold?

7. HE DOESN'T TURN THE BALL OVER - How many times have we seen him play 35 minutes or so with 0 turnovers?? He's a smart baller, he won't make many mistakes

8. All upside with Gallo.

You have valid points but please do not even put him in the same sentence with Kevin Durant. My main beef with Gallo is his inconsistency. IMO, he's a great 6th man.

SlimChin wrote:
You have valid points but please do not even put him in the same sentence with Kevin Durant.

Why not when addressing his ability to get fouled? If you look at the number of FT attempts and compare it to the number of shot attempts Gallo actually draws more FT attempts per shot than Durant does.

When the blazers win, do they say they don't need Brandon Roy? or when the celtics win 4 in a row, do they say they don't need rondo?

or when the heat won without wade, do they not need wade?

Papabear wrote:

martin wrote:

iSergio wrote:

KNICKSdom wrote:

SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

you are making Gallo out to be just a stiff-legged 3point shooter, and he's not.

How many FTs have Walker and Williams shot all year? total of what Gallo makes in like 4 games?

Papabear Says

The question is if Denver want him for Melo do we trade him? Yes we do!

The question is do you sell off your very good and daily improving young core of players to build a poor man's version of the Heat and surround Melo/Amare/Felton with scrubs willing to take the veteran's min?

If the trade was Gallo + expirings for Melo I would say Gallo who?

Look at what the Nets have on the table. Favors (high lottery prospect), Harris, Morrow, cap relief and multiple first rounders in the tune of 3-5. If we are coming anything close to that market say gooodbye to Chandler, Fields, AR, Gallo and anyone else not named Amare or Raymond.

I think Melo is great but he's 2nd tier. He's not and will never be an MVP caliber guy or carry a team and the pro Melo guys here think he is. He's NOT Lebron. He's like Gibert Arenas pre injury. Puts up great #s, went to a couple all star games and had one good playoff run.

iSergio wrote:

martin wrote:

iSergio wrote:

KNICKSdom wrote:

SlimChin wrote:do we really need him? this west coast trip kind of indicates otherwise. Walker, Williams and Turiaf have been picking up the slack both on the offense and defensive end; Bench has coming up big. if they beat the jazz tonight and go 3-1 on this road trip Gallo is looking more and more expendable.

Burn! Gallo is needed. He helps spread the floor for Amar'e to score 30 points a game.

That's such a weak argument and you have nothing to back it up. I'm so tired of the Danilo Gallinari homers making him out to be this incredible outside shooter. He's not. He shoots in the low 40s and 37% from three. Wilson Chandler spreads the floor just as well as Gallinari. We also have more then enough outside shooters to get by without Gallinari and the last 4 games have proved it.

you are making Gallo out to be just a stiff-legged 3point shooter, and he's not.

How many FTs have Walker and Williams shot all year? total of what Gallo makes in like 4 games?

That's exactly what he is. Almost 50% of Danilo Gallinari's shots are 3pt attempts and he only gets to the line 5.5 times a game. That's a spot-up shooter.

Shawne Williams and Bill Walker can't drive. I'll give you that. But 5.5 times a game at the line is nothing special either.

5.5 shots per game for a player whose USG is 15.8 is actually very good. For comparison

              USG  FT 
Stat          28.2 8.1 
Felton        22.5 3.6
Chandler      18.9 2.8
Gallo         15.8 5.5

So taking into account that Gallo is the 4th option on this team he gets to the line at a high rate.

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USG: Usage Rate - the number of possessions a player uses per 40 minutes. Usage Rate = {[FGA + (FT Att. x 0.44) + (Ast x 0.33) + TO] x 40 x League Pace} divided by (Minutes x Team Pace)

like toodark said - He is 21 years old

sheesh

tkf wrote:watching the game last night, I saw how the knicks struggled to get points when amare was cold and felton wasn't hitting. we just don't have the offensive talent on the floor without gallo to be effective on a consistent basis.. the gallo hate is just ridiculous.. Chandler is having a good shooting season, but watch him try to create, he just is not that type of player.. Batum played chandler left for most of the night and wilson will give the ball up.... he doesn't have that type of offensive arsenal, some of you look at the open shots he hits and go bannanas, but have you noticed without gallo, the open shots are become less? for both he and amare... and shawne williams to some extent? saw the brick he heaved up last night? what I am saying is that the knicks are not better without gallo.. win or lose... to say so, show that you are not watching the game, certainly not objectively.. The knicks need him on the floor as a shooter, a floor spacer(teams respect him) a driver, a guy who gets to the line and another player who provides great length on the floor...

he's no "instant offense" either, it takes Gallo a whole quarter (or two) to get going.