TheSage wrote:I was all for giving a package including Chandler however I am no longer ready to give him up if we have to include anything else substantial. Does not mean I don't want Melo her but not at the cost of gutting the team and future. Have seen enough of Amare with this supporting cast and couple of mid level type additions especially up front can put us on an even plane with the elite. That, plus Gallo growing into a bigger force around the basket could put us in contention. The mere addition of Melo won't do it.

once again we're not getting Melo unless we give up at least Gallo or Wilson C, whether in a direct trade, an indirect trade, or renouncement of Wilson's rights this summer... basically, if u wanna hold onto both Gallo & Wilson, then you're not gonna get Melo.

anyway all of that might be moot if he ends up going to NJ.

gr33d wrote:

TMS wrote:

TheSage wrote:I was all for giving a package including Chandler however I am no longer ready to give him up if we have to include anything else substantial. Does not mean I don't want Melo her but not at the cost of gutting the team and future. Have seen enough of Amare with this supporting cast and couple of mid level type additions especially up front can put us on an even plane with the elite. That, plus Gallo growing into a bigger force around the basket could put us in contention. The mere addition of Melo won't do it.

once again we're not getting Melo unless we give up at least Gallo or Wilson C, whether in a direct trade, an indirect trade, or renouncement of Wilson's rights this summer... basically, if u wanna hold onto both Gallo & Wilson, then you're not gonna get Melo.

anyway all of that might be moot if he ends up going to NJ.

We can't be scared to trade potential for a top-10 talent.

If Gallo has to be sacrificed, so be it...

No time soon will he win us a playoff series; Melo is a game-changer NOW, that can carry us for games, not two quarters.

I doubt that the hold up on our part would be due to not wanting to trade Gallo. I'm pretty sure that they'd send him and his Armani suits straight to Denver if they could make Denver do a deal.

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Carmelo is a better player than Amare period AND he is younger.

Personally I dont care about Amare's ego being hurt by Melo being the man here.

I am voting this the new #1 stupid post of the year.

Dude, you own like the top 5 slots on this site.

Calling me names martin. Really?

Im pretty sure Briggs has the top 5 slots but whatever.

I am describing the content of your post and the overall thought process that went into it.

My post wasnts stupid. The title of the thread said Amare doesnt want Melo.

Amare is drinking his own kool aid if he believes he doesn't need Melo.

wow. i guess all it takes is a melo-trade-to-the-nets rumor to bring out the trolls.

crzymdups wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Carmelo is a better player than Amare period AND he is younger.

Personally I dont care about Amare's ego being hurt by Melo being the man here.

I am voting this the new #1 stupid post of the year.

Dude, you own like the top 5 slots on this site.

Calling me names martin. Really?

Im pretty sure Briggs has the top 5 slots but whatever.

I am describing the content of your post and the overall thought process that went into it.

My post wasnts stupid. The title of the thread said Amare doesnt want Melo.

Amare is drinking his own kool aid if he believes he doesn't need Melo.

wow. i guess all it takes is a melo-trade-to-the-nets rumor to bring out the trolls.

The troll label is lame.

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Carmelo is a better player than Amare period AND he is younger.

Personally I dont care about Amare's ego being hurt by Melo being the man here.

I am voting this the new #1 stupid post of the year.

Dude, you own like the top 5 slots on this site.

Calling me names martin. Really?

Im pretty sure Briggs has the top 5 slots but whatever.

I am describing the content of your post and the overall thought process that went into it.

My post wasnts stupid. The title of the thread said Amare doesnt want Melo.

Amare is drinking his own kool aid if he believes he doesn't need Melo.

I'd like to see how many times you stumble making the case that Melo is better than Amare.

If you even cared to read the initial post you would also know that the title is also misleading.

Stoudemire has said publicly that he'd love to have Anthony on the team, the Daily News notes, but a former Phoenix Suns teammate tells the paper, "Amar'e will embrace any teammate, but if it were up to him, I know he'd rather just see the Knicks stay the way they are. Amar'e likes being the guy. He likes the players that are around him. I know he's thinking, 'Why would we want to change this?'"

Marv wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gr33d wrote:

TMS wrote:

TheSage wrote:I was all for giving a package including Chandler however I am no longer ready to give him up if we have to include anything else substantial. Does not mean I don't want Melo her but not at the cost of gutting the team and future. Have seen enough of Amare with this supporting cast and couple of mid level type additions especially up front can put us on an even plane with the elite. That, plus Gallo growing into a bigger force around the basket could put us in contention. The mere addition of Melo won't do it.

once again we're not getting Melo unless we give up at least Gallo or Wilson C, whether in a direct trade, an indirect trade, or renouncement of Wilson's rights this summer... basically, if u wanna hold onto both Gallo & Wilson, then you're not gonna get Melo.

anyway all of that might be moot if he ends up going to NJ.

We can't be scared to trade potential for a top-10 talent.

If Gallo has to be sacrificed, so be it...

No time soon will he win us a playoff series; Melo is a game-changer NOW, that can carry us for games, not two quarters.

I doubt that the hold up on our part would be due to not wanting to trade Gallo. I'm pretty sure that they'd send him and his Armani suits straight to Denver if they could make Denver do a deal.

nix i wouldn't be so sure. the strength of the relationships mda has with gallo and his pops may prevent that.

I think all of that has been overstated. The guys played with each other MANY years ago, but they aren't like hanging with each other everyday. When it comes to the Knicks Donnie is gonna make a deal that he believes will give us the best chance to win and if Gallo was the price I'm betting he'd be packin his bags.

TheSage wrote:

TMS wrote:

TheSage wrote:I was all for giving a package including Chandler however I am no longer ready to give him up if we have to include anything else substantial. Does not mean I don't want Melo her but not at the cost of gutting the team and future. Have seen enough of Amare with this supporting cast and couple of mid level type additions especially up front can put us on an even plane with the elite. That, plus Gallo growing into a bigger force around the basket could put us in contention. The mere addition of Melo won't do it.

once again we're not getting Melo unless we give up at least Gallo or Wilson C, whether in a direct trade, an indirect trade, or renouncement of Wilson's rights this summer... basically, if u wanna hold onto both Gallo & Wilson, then you're not gonna get Melo.

anyway all of that might be moot if he ends up going to NJ.

I think u misread what was said- I don't want the the trade IF we have to give up Chandler AND anything substantial. Would trade Chandler plus filler/expirings or Gallo/expiring but not both plus filler.

The problem is not just assets you'd need to trade, it's the salary Melo would occupy if we got him. If we are not getting him at the same price as Wade or Lebron (which is a fair bit BELOW the max) we are already behind the Heat. We will not beat the Heat trying to match them up with superstars. Especially if you pay the max for one way players like Melo. See Johnson, Joe and Gay, Rudy for prime examples of similar players at similar cost. Atlanta and Memphis are NOT winning a championship anytime soon with players occupying max money who play one-way.

The same goes for any team getting Melo.

knickstorrents wrote:

TheSage wrote:

TMS wrote:

TheSage wrote:I was all for giving a package including Chandler however I am no longer ready to give him up if we have to include anything else substantial. Does not mean I don't want Melo her but not at the cost of gutting the team and future. Have seen enough of Amare with this supporting cast and couple of mid level type additions especially up front can put us on an even plane with the elite. That, plus Gallo growing into a bigger force around the basket could put us in contention. The mere addition of Melo won't do it.

once again we're not getting Melo unless we give up at least Gallo or Wilson C, whether in a direct trade, an indirect trade, or renouncement of Wilson's rights this summer... basically, if u wanna hold onto both Gallo & Wilson, then you're not gonna get Melo.

anyway all of that might be moot if he ends up going to NJ.

I think u misread what was said- I don't want the the trade IF we have to give up Chandler AND anything substantial. Would trade Chandler plus filler/expirings or Gallo/expiring but not both plus filler.

The problem is not just assets you'd need to trade, it's the salary Melo would occupy if we got him. If we are not getting him at the same price as Wade or Lebron (which is a fair bit BELOW the max) we are already behind the Heat. We will not beat the Heat trying to match them up with superstars. Especially if you pay the max for one way players like Melo. See Johnson, Joe and Gay, Rudy for prime examples of similar players at similar cost. Atlanta and Memphis are NOT winning a championship anytime soon with players occupying max money who play one-way.

The same goes for any team getting Melo.

in 2 years' time our cap will be filled up by the contract extensions of Wilson & Gallinari at roughly similar dollars as Melo will be making IMO... if anyone has any thoughts of conserving our cap flexibility longterm, you should first consider this... we won't have cap space to be offering up max contracts in 2012 if we plan on keeping both Wilson & Gallo around longterm... some time or another, we're likely going to have to decide which one of those 2 we may have to give up in order to significantly upgrade in other areas.

Panos wrote:

TMS wrote:
in 2 years' time our cap will be filled up by the contract extensions of Wilson & Gallinari at roughly similar dollars as Melo will be making IMO... if anyone has any thoughts of conserving our cap flexibility longterm, you should first consider this... we won't have cap space to be offering up max contracts in 2012 if we plan on keeping both Wilson & Gallo around longterm... some time or another, we're likely going to have to decide which one of those 2 we may have to give up in order to significantly upgrade in other areas.

TMS, consider also this. Who knows what the CBA will look like. It may very well be that they put in a hard cap, and we can't re-sign our own players at much more money if we're already capped out by signing someone like Melo. This is definitely a possibility. I don't know how likely.