NYKBocker wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Gallinari's last 20 games

15.1 pointes, 4.6 rebounds, 1.2 turnovers, 44% from the field, 38% from 3, 85% from the line, 5.1 FT per game

In those 20 games he's been under 10 points 4 times(with one of those games being 9 points).

This guy is an inconsitent shooter so far in his career, but not an inconsistent player. And over the last 3 months he's been a model of consistency. We seem to hate him for some weird reason. Not sure why. Why not just accept who he is? which isn't a bad player.

Most likely because people formed an opinion about him when he was drafted, took a stand and would rather be right than look objectively at what is happening.

Also, 44%, 38% and 85% is actually not inconsitent shooting. I think MDA saying that he is the best shooter he has ever seen has put made people think that unless he is shooting at a 100% clip then he is not shooting consistently.

50% / 40% / 90% is the standard of excellence

so if we divide what Gallo has to what the standard of exxcellenc eis, we find him in the following percentiles:

88% / 95% / 94%

He pretty much just has to work on expanding his role and shooting and making more high percentage shots. If yuou weight his shot selection, he probably grades out to a B+, and I'll take that

NYKBocker wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:Williams was stroking it... that doesn't feel like it will last. Look at Channing Frye last year versus this year. I'm glad Williams is having some success but it may be unsustainable... too soon to plan on Williams for anything past this season

I think Shawne has a lot of value. He really is a very tall Dell Curry. He will make the uncontested 3 pointer and is average when someone is on his face.

I do too but let's be real for a second here... teams didn't exactly game plan for the man when he started playing

SupremeCommander wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Gallinari's last 20 games

15.1 pointes, 4.6 rebounds, 1.2 turnovers, 44% from the field, 38% from 3, 85% from the line, 5.1 FT per game

In those 20 games he's been under 10 points 4 times(with one of those games being 9 points).

This guy is an inconsitent shooter so far in his career, but not an inconsistent player. And over the last 3 months he's been a model of consistency. We seem to hate him for some weird reason. Not sure why. Why not just accept who he is? which isn't a bad player.

Most likely because people formed an opinion about him when he was drafted, took a stand and would rather be right than look objectively at what is happening.

Also, 44%, 38% and 85% is actually not inconsitent shooting. I think MDA saying that he is the best shooter he has ever seen has put made people think that unless he is shooting at a 100% clip then he is not shooting consistently.

50% / 40% / 90% is the standard of excellence

so if we divide what Gallo has to what the standard of exxcellenc eis, we find him in the following percentiles:

88% / 95% / 94%

He pretty much just has to work on expanding his role and shooting and making more high percentage shots. If yuou weight his shot selection, he probably grades out to a B+, and I'll take that

Hold up. Looking at Gallo's FG% is pointless since so many of his shots are in fact 3pts. If he took 100% 3pointers, and his FG% was 40% wouldn't that be good?

Better to look at his TS%. That's the only measure that means anything for a shooter.
He's at .600, which places him 7th in the league for PF where he's listed, but he's not a PF.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=pf&sort=trueShootingPct&action=login&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics%3fposition%3dpf%26sort%3dtrueShootingPct

He's a SF, and as such he's 5th in the league for SFs. Shaune Williams leading the league, but obviously skewed with small sample set. So I'd say he's 4th, following James Jones, Paul Pierce and R Jefferson.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=sf&sort=trueShootingPct&action=login&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics%3fposition%3dsf%26sort%3dtrueShootingPct

JohnWallace44 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Every time a wing plays well on this team it reminds you that wings tend to play well in this system when Amare's around.

Dude's can just stand there and hit practice treys and then when your percentage gets up in the high 30's the defense starts to run out on you and you pump fake the guy and throw it down.

Gallo's got to do something more to me than hit treys at Chandler's percentage to impress me. He's just so damn inconsistent. IF he puts it all together game after game you've got something, but you can't deny that its viable to consider trading him to another GM who thinks he can be "good Gallo" on a nightly basis instead of waiting for him to do that here, especially when we have guys doing similar things for less money.

I am still confused at these kind of statements. Inconsistent at what? He averages around 15ppg. He defends. He rebounds. He gets to the line 6+ times a game. Do you guys mean you want him to average 20+ a game to be consistent?

When Gallo goes 1-10 against Cleveland from deep, or 2-10 against the Nuggets or 0-5 against Golden State, its just tough to win those games. Wilson went 0-5 last night, but that's very much an aberration. My argument with Gallo is that he has a lot of empty minutes. He'll show up for a quarter and then won't score the rest of the game. I don't know if that will ever go away.

He's the fourth option on our team behind Amare, Wilson and Felton. No reason for him to be an option above any of those three because right now they are all better offensive players then him. Fourth options tend to disappear for stretches of time because by nature their job is to defer to the top three. What you ask is for that player to do other things while they are waiting their turn on offense. is he an inconsistent shooter? Yes he is to me. But man, no where near inconsistent enough to take the abuse that he gets from fans here.

0-5 from Wilson is an aberration. I agree. What does that have to do with Gallo? Amare is more consistent then Wilson. Should I disparage Wilson's game because he doesn't go 9 straight games over 30 points like Amare did? Look a the players for who they are, not what you want them to be, or not by what other players similar to them are. If you just look at Gallo for what he is, he's actually a pretty good player.

JohnWallace44 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Gallinari's last 20 games

15.1 pointes, 4.6 rebounds, 1.2 turnovers, 44% from the field, 38% from 3, 85% from the line, 5.1 FT per game

In those 20 games he's been under 10 points 4 times(with one of those games being 9 points).

This guy is an inconsitent shooter so far in his career, but not an inconsistent player. And over the last 3 months he's been a model of consistency. We seem to hate him for some weird reason. Not sure why. Why not just accept who he is? which isn't a bad player.

Bip, he's certainly better over the last couple of months. I have a lot less of a problem with keeping him now than I did in November. The nice problem we have is that we have a lot of wings that can knock down shots when called upon.

So, is Gallo's value better used here? Or is it better used in trade in order to fill one or more of the holes we have here in terms of front court mismatch issues or backcourt playmaking issues.

I think ultimately you may have a choice at the SF between Gallo and Wilson. AT this point I think most prefer Wilson because he's a better player. So a trade is probable involving those two at some point. But if it's for that Camby type(remember his age) that is going to "put us over the top" we better be literally a player away from competing for a title. Otherwise it's wasted youth.

In the meantime while they are both here, I have no problem enjoying the play of both and hoping they both reach their potential. Not sure why some decide to choose one and hate the other at this point. Who knows if you can get another player via free agency you might be able to keep both and bring one really good asse player off the bench like many of the title teams do. Some of these guys coming off the bench for Boston and LA and Orlando can really play and put up good numbers on different teams. Instead they shine in their roles on championship level teams. No reason we can't keep both of these guys with our current cap flexibility. No need to rush to make a trade.

And Gallinari doesn't get 7 rpg - he doesn't even get 5. Nice try.

Bippity10 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Every time a wing plays well on this team it reminds you that wings tend to play well in this system when Amare's around.

Dude's can just stand there and hit practice treys and then when your percentage gets up in the high 30's the defense starts to run out on you and you pump fake the guy and throw it down.

Gallo's got to do something more to me than hit treys at Chandler's percentage to impress me. He's just so damn inconsistent. IF he puts it all together game after game you've got something, but you can't deny that its viable to consider trading him to another GM who thinks he can be "good Gallo" on a nightly basis instead of waiting for him to do that here, especially when we have guys doing similar things for less money.

I am still confused at these kind of statements. Inconsistent at what? He averages around 15ppg. He defends. He rebounds. He gets to the line 6+ times a game. Do you guys mean you want him to average 20+ a game to be consistent?

When Gallo goes 1-10 against Cleveland from deep, or 2-10 against the Nuggets or 0-5 against Golden State, its just tough to win those games. Wilson went 0-5 last night, but that's very much an aberration. My argument with Gallo is that he has a lot of empty minutes. He'll show up for a quarter and then won't score the rest of the game. I don't know if that will ever go away.

Bip... I'm with you, I dont get the hate. I know isegio hates his goofy hair, so there's that. Whats the worst case here at 22 years old in year 3? He only becomes a good player? A guy who defends well, gives you say 15/7 a night while playing good team ball? My god the travesty.

There is a perception around here that any player that isnt a superstar is easily replaced. Its idiotic. Knicks are a very good team right now because Chandler, Gallo and Fields are all really GOOD players (and getting better).

1.) If Gallo never improved one ounce ever again he's still a player you can use on your team. It's not like he's playing behind Mozgov and Billy Walker and killing us right now

2.) The best part about our top 8 guys is that they play really well together. They move the ball, they understand their roles, they pick each other up. They do the dirty work when someone else is on fire. What more coudl you ask?

Forgot to add that they are all under 30 with many under 25. I'm under the impression they will get better individually and collectively.

We can do better then Gallo at SF, but what we have ain't bad.

iSergio wrote:LOL It has nothing to do with his damn hair. I simply don't like his game or think he's that good. I felt the same way about Channing Frye. And some of you hyping up Danilo Gallinari into Larry Bird level or making ridiculous comments like "only Kevin Durant is better!" and "Gallo is our best player per possesion!" makes me crazy.

And Gallinari doesn't get 7 rpg - he doesn't even get 5. Nice try.

I guess cause someone said Fields is like Havelcek then Landry is overhyped garbage also?

What Gallo doesnt get yet as an NBA is when to take what the defense gives you and when to assert yourself. It took Chandler about twice the NBA experience Gallo has to figure that out, but why wait for guys to develop their game? I mean really dude. "Guys" dont call him the next Bird or franchise player. One guy did.

"Guys" say Gallo is a good young player getting better, and part of a nice young core not worth selling off for an over hyped every other a year all star. Thats was "guys" say.

I said he might top out as nice player who defends and gives you 15/7, thats future production. Reading comprehension.

Bippity10 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Gallinari's last 20 games

15.1 pointes, 4.6 rebounds, 1.2 turnovers, 44% from the field, 38% from 3, 85% from the line, 5.1 FT per game

In those 20 games he's been under 10 points 4 times(with one of those games being 9 points).

This guy is an inconsitent shooter so far in his career, but not an inconsistent player. And over the last 3 months he's been a model of consistency. We seem to hate him for some weird reason. Not sure why. Why not just accept who he is? which isn't a bad player.

Bip, he's certainly better over the last couple of months. I have a lot less of a problem with keeping him now than I did in November. The nice problem we have is that we have a lot of wings that can knock down shots when called upon.

So, is Gallo's value better used here? Or is it better used in trade in order to fill one or more of the holes we have here in terms of front court mismatch issues or backcourt playmaking issues.

I think ultimately you may have a choice at the SF between Gallo and Wilson. AT this point I think most prefer Wilson because he's a better player. So a trade is probable involving those two at some point. But if it's for that Camby type(remember his age) that is going to "put us over the top" we better be literally a player away from competing for a title. Otherwise it's wasted youth.

In the meantime while they are both here, I have no problem enjoying the play of both and hoping they both reach their potential. Not sure why some decide to choose one and hate the other at this point. Who knows if you can get another player via free agency you might be able to keep both and bring one really good asse player off the bench like many of the title teams do. Some of these guys coming off the bench for Boston and LA and Orlando can really play and put up good numbers on different teams. Instead they shine in their roles on championship level teams. No reason we can't keep both of these guys with our current cap flexibility. No need to rush to make a trade.

i think the main argument being presented by people proposing Gallo trades is that this team can afford to use a #3/#4 option to upgrade in other areas of need if he right player becomes available... i don't think the majority of people are just trying to push Gallo out the door because they're just sick of looking at his face... i'm pretty sure everyone here is happy to have a talented kid like Gallo in the fold to even be able to talk about trade scenarios that might help our team going forward... i think we all can agree that if u can't get a damn good player in return for him, then there's really no point in trading him.

gallo can at least get to the line every now and then. is he an all star? no.

the guy is young. he may or may not get that much better. chandler was the same way. he took some baby steps and then took a leap this year. what i do know is that while gallo appears to be the same player as he was last year, he is not. he is taking baby steps and while we all want him to take a leap some players take it more gradually.

shawne williams also is not going to average 56% on 3 all year. if he does, then he makes just about expendable.

TMS wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Gallinari's last 20 games

15.1 pointes, 4.6 rebounds, 1.2 turnovers, 44% from the field, 38% from 3, 85% from the line, 5.1 FT per game

In those 20 games he's been under 10 points 4 times(with one of those games being 9 points).

This guy is an inconsitent shooter so far in his career, but not an inconsistent player. And over the last 3 months he's been a model of consistency. We seem to hate him for some weird reason. Not sure why. Why not just accept who he is? which isn't a bad player.

Bip, he's certainly better over the last couple of months. I have a lot less of a problem with keeping him now than I did in November. The nice problem we have is that we have a lot of wings that can knock down shots when called upon.

So, is Gallo's value better used here? Or is it better used in trade in order to fill one or more of the holes we have here in terms of front court mismatch issues or backcourt playmaking issues.

I think ultimately you may have a choice at the SF between Gallo and Wilson. AT this point I think most prefer Wilson because he's a better player. So a trade is probable involving those two at some point. But if it's for that Camby type(remember his age) that is going to "put us over the top" we better be literally a player away from competing for a title. Otherwise it's wasted youth.

In the meantime while they are both here, I have no problem enjoying the play of both and hoping they both reach their potential. Not sure why some decide to choose one and hate the other at this point. Who knows if you can get another player via free agency you might be able to keep both and bring one really good asse player off the bench like many of the title teams do. Some of these guys coming off the bench for Boston and LA and Orlando can really play and put up good numbers on different teams. Instead they shine in their roles on championship level teams. No reason we can't keep both of these guys with our current cap flexibility. No need to rush to make a trade.

i think the main argument being presented by people proposing Gallo trades is that this team can afford to use a #3/#4 option to upgrade in other areas of need if he right player becomes available... i don't think the majority of people are just trying to push Gallo out the door because they're just sick of looking at his face... i'm pretty sure everyone here is happy to have a talented kid like Gallo in the fold to even be able to talk about trade scenarios that might help our team going forward... i think we all can agree that if u can't get a damn good player in return for him, then there's really no point in trading him.

I wasn't addressing those people that make valid arguments. I was addressing those idiots that still say things like "he is nothing but a one-dimension jumpshooter that can't play defense". After a while we get it, you think he stinks so move on.

As for your point, I agree. For the right deal it's not a bad idea to trade a position of strenght for a position of weakness. But we can still afford to be patient in my view.