This team needs time. Thats what it needs. After ten years of losing we are clearly a playoff team but more importantly one with a very parts who are getting better. Just be patient. time is on our side... we arent the Celtics.

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If Nene is interested in having a run at winning a championship, why do the Knicks have to make a trade with the Nuggets?

Lakers' down-low dominance presents problems for Knicks
ESPN Passport - Jared Zwerling

Guarding the paint has been one of the Knicks' (21-14) biggest obstacles this season, especially against the league's elite teams. In their loss to the Celtics (28-7) on December 15, the Knicks allowed 62 points in the paint -- 18.3 above the Cs average. And in their loss to the Heat (29-9) on December 28, the Knicks gave up 56 points in the paint -- 21.4 above the Heat's average.

Currently his top 8 is 9 if you include gallo.

If Denver wants something from us, it's everyone ELSE outside of that top 9 or lose him for nothing or fleece another team.

I know this is a trade proposal board and I feel bad raining on the parade, but do we really feel giving up players for melo is the right thing to do if we can wait it out and see what we have by the end of the year.

Back to the thread title, BRIGGS you are correct, we are one good big man away from winning THIS YEAR.

But that big man has to show up WITHOUT us losing any players.

It's got to be AR realizing how awesome he can be blocking shots, rebounding and running the break.

KNICKSdom wrote:

misterearl wrote:briggs - no competing franchise is tossing away a valuable 6'11 asset so the Knicks can compete for a championship.

This is at least a two year process. Any quick fix will require accepting the risk of breaking the harmony that has developed over the past month.

"You never know what you have 'til it's gone"

amen brotha

Markji wrote:

TMS wrote:

Markji wrote:Another voice of reason ...that we need another "Big" to be able to beat the best teams. And Turiaf needs to be healthy if we are to win, so getting another Big is good back-up for us. To get another inside Big, we don't have to gut the team as we would if we trade for Melo now. Go to it Donnie.

which "Big" do u have in mind that u think is gonna take us to the next level to compete w/the Lakers that we can get w/o giving up good assets to obtain?

Look at the teams that aren't doing well and see if they want to trade a veteran for a younger player. That is why I keep bringing up Sacramento. Either Dalembert or Carl Landry can be had. Both are complaining about losing; and both aren't getting many minutes and complaining about that. Both can play tough inside. I don't think either would put us at Championship level, but they sure would strengthen us at our weakest area.

Nene won't be traded until Melo's situation is worked out.
Camby won't be traded unless Portland is out of contention or they can get a young big to replace him. And he has another year on his contract so that would cut into our FA signing this summer.
Marc Gasol has an expiring $3 mil contract, but Memphis wants to keep him and they are currecntly in 9th place and vying for a playoff spot. So they aren't going to trade him now for anything reasonable.

i think u sorta proved my point tho... doesn't seem to be any bigs out there that will make us a championship team that we can target that are realistically attainable w/o giving up a boatload of assets... Camby, Dalembert or Landry could help add depth like u said but they're not game changers... & personally i don't view guys like Nene or Marc Gasol as game changers either, definitely not worth giving up any our top young players to get... this is why i personally keep falling back on Melo as our primary option because he's definitely an impact game changing player... bigtime impact level Bigs are very few & far between these days in the NBA.

TMS wrote:

Markji wrote:

TMS wrote:

Markji wrote:Another voice of reason ...that we need another "Big" to be able to beat the best teams. And Turiaf needs to be healthy if we are to win, so getting another Big is good back-up for us. To get another inside Big, we don't have to gut the team as we would if we trade for Melo now. Go to it Donnie.

which "Big" do u have in mind that u think is gonna take us to the next level to compete w/the Lakers that we can get w/o giving up good assets to obtain?

Look at the teams that aren't doing well and see if they want to trade a veteran for a younger player. That is why I keep bringing up Sacramento. Either Dalembert or Carl Landry can be had. Both are complaining about losing; and both aren't getting many minutes and complaining about that. Both can play tough inside. I don't think either would put us at Championship level, but they sure would strengthen us at our weakest area.

Nene won't be traded until Melo's situation is worked out.
Camby won't be traded unless Portland is out of contention or they can get a young big to replace him. And he has another year on his contract so that would cut into our FA signing this summer.
Marc Gasol has an expiring $3 mil contract, but Memphis wants to keep him and they are currecntly in 9th place and vying for a playoff spot. So they aren't going to trade him now for anything reasonable.

i think u sorta proved my point tho... doesn't seem to be any bigs out there that will make us a championship team that we can target that are realistically attainable w/o giving up a boatload of assets... Camby, Dalembert or Landry could help add depth like u said but they're not game changers... & personally i don't view guys like Nene or Marc Gasol as game changers either, definitely not worth giving up any our top young players to get... this is why i personally keep falling back on Melo as our primary option because he's definitely an impact game changing player... bigtime impact level Bigs are very few & far between these days in the NBA.

If Mosgov would develop and MDA play him, then we would have another Big. But Mosgov has to show MDA that he can play at a qualified level before he will get playing time.

Markji wrote:

TMS wrote:

Markji wrote:

TMS wrote:

Markji wrote:Another voice of reason ...that we need another "Big" to be able to beat the best teams. And Turiaf needs to be healthy if we are to win, so getting another Big is good back-up for us. To get another inside Big, we don't have to gut the team as we would if we trade for Melo now. Go to it Donnie.

which "Big" do u have in mind that u think is gonna take us to the next level to compete w/the Lakers that we can get w/o giving up good assets to obtain?

Look at the teams that aren't doing well and see if they want to trade a veteran for a younger player. That is why I keep bringing up Sacramento. Either Dalembert or Carl Landry can be had. Both are complaining about losing; and both aren't getting many minutes and complaining about that. Both can play tough inside. I don't think either would put us at Championship level, but they sure would strengthen us at our weakest area.

Nene won't be traded until Melo's situation is worked out.
Camby won't be traded unless Portland is out of contention or they can get a young big to replace him. And he has another year on his contract so that would cut into our FA signing this summer.
Marc Gasol has an expiring $3 mil contract, but Memphis wants to keep him and they are currecntly in 9th place and vying for a playoff spot. So they aren't going to trade him now for anything reasonable.

i think u sorta proved my point tho... doesn't seem to be any bigs out there that will make us a championship team that we can target that are realistically attainable w/o giving up a boatload of assets... Camby, Dalembert or Landry could help add depth like u said but they're not game changers... & personally i don't view guys like Nene or Marc Gasol as game changers either, definitely not worth giving up any our top young players to get... this is why i personally keep falling back on Melo as our primary option because he's definitely an impact game changing player... bigtime impact level Bigs are very few & far between these days in the NBA.

TMS - I understand what you are saying about getting Melo. I agree but I am for getting both - a Big and Melo. However, at the present time, Melo can't be had without gutting the organization and that I am not for. But we can still get a Big to strengthen the team and not give up very much. Then wait on the Melo situation until the trade deadline and see how desperate Denver is to get something in return for him.

If Mosgov would develop and MDA play him, then we would have another Big. But Mosgov has to show MDA that he can play at a qualified level before he will get playing time.

i agree w/u... if we could get both that would be huge... Camby & Melo is actually doable cap wise, but it's gonna depend on whether Melo forces his way to NY by refusing to sign any extensions with other teams... either way i doubt DW is gonna make any moves until the Melo situation is taken care of.

i wouldn't give up Fields or Chandler in a McGee trade though... maybe Gallo... definitely Randolph. Would Randolph and Curry work?

If those players don't put us over the hump and place us among the elite...how do you propose to add more talent to the team, or find a player of Melo's caliber? We're going to be maxed out with that lineup, since all those big men that people suggest we go after will cost us more than $10M/yr to acquire.

At that point, the only resources we'll have available are low draft picks, the MLE, or vet min signings. Or we can try and retool on the fly and swap talent for other team's garbage like Orlando did, but those options will always require us giving up pieces (like Chandler, Gallo, etc.) to improve.

The chance of us finding a player of Melo's caliber with those resources are damn near nil.

However, if we get Melo first, those same resources can net us a serviceable center. Dalembert or Pryz may be had for the MLE. Camby will likely sign for the vet min in 2012. Young center prospects routinely fall in the draft that end up being a solid NBA contributor -- guys like Ibaka, DeAndre Jordan, Hibbert, McGee, or even ironically Marc Gasol (2nd round pick), Perkins (late 1st), and Dalembert (late 1st). We might even have something with Mozgov and/or Jerome Jordan already if we have the patience to develop them.

So I really don't understand this constant pining for a $10-13M center that's going to lock us in the current roster, when there's a big-time player like Melo who is available at a wholesale price. We get the second star first, then you fill in the role players.

I'd love to get a big that fits what we do, but at the end of the day we play small and we do it real well. We'd be better than the Magic and probably equal with the Heat by adding Melo.