martin wrote:

why are we looking at Andy Rautins... he hasn't gone to the DLeague at all.

Here is why the Knicks are NOT sending guys to the DLeague (amongst other reasons): it would just be just pickup games during the summer. The Knicks don't have a complete affiliation (it's shared), which means they have NOT sent the coaches or staff to the team, which suggests that they have ZERO control over what is being taught to whomever would be assigned. What good would that do AR?

He would just go back to his old habits and score like 30PPG and collect 20rpg against inferior talent.... and then what? Still come back with the bad habits and not knowing the system any better.

Can a veteran play a year in europe? AR needs more than D-league but not quite NBA talent.

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

why are we looking at Andy Rautins... he hasn't gone to the DLeague at all.

Here is why the Knicks are NOT sending guys to the DLeague (amongst other reasons): it would just be just pickup games during the summer. The Knicks don't have a complete affiliation (it's shared), which means they have NOT sent the coaches or staff to the team, which suggests that they have ZERO control over what is being taught to whomever would be assigned. What good would that do AR?

He would just go back to his old habits and score like 30PPG and collect 20rpg against inferior talent.... and then what? Still come back with the bad habits and not knowing the system any better.

Can a veteran play a year in europe? AR needs more than D-league but not quite NBA talent.

I know that at the end of a contract if a player goes to Europe, the NBA team would retain his rights. Not sure if I know of a case where a player in the midst of a contract went to Europe.... with even a rookie contract, AR would make more money and be infinitely more comfortable (lifestyle) in NBA anyway.

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

why are we looking at Andy Rautins... he hasn't gone to the DLeague at all.

Here is why the Knicks are NOT sending guys to the DLeague (amongst other reasons): it would just be just pickup games during the summer. The Knicks don't have a complete affiliation (it's shared), which means they have NOT sent the coaches or staff to the team, which suggests that they have ZERO control over what is being taught to whomever would be assigned. What good would that do AR?

He would just go back to his old habits and score like 30PPG and collect 20rpg against inferior talent.... and then what? Still come back with the bad habits and not knowing the system any better.

Can a veteran play a year in europe? AR needs more than D-league but not quite NBA talent.

I know that at the end of a contract if a player goes to Europe, the NBA team would retain his rights. Not sure if I know of a case where a player in the midst of a contract went to Europe.... with even a rookie contract, AR would make more money and be infinitely more comfortable (lifestyle) in NBA anyway.

That's for sure. The more I watch AR, more he looks like a poster boy for staying in college. Damn shame. Still believe he can take it up a few levels but I'm not so sure AR is willing to do the work. I am sure D'Antoni has no plans on waiting for him to figure things out.

that's what is so disappointing. He doesn't even want to hustle when he gets life on the court after sitting 10 or whatever games in a row. And if he can't come off the bench with in the internal mentality to self of "ok ok ok AR, just dont do anything too stupid and run your ass off on every play", I just don't think we will ever be an NBA player, no less one on the Knicks team.

Eddie Curry part duex

TMS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:One is a playoff team, one is not. With 9 wins, you can do that.

you weren't saying this last year when Jordan Hill couldn't get any burn... is there a different set of circumstances that make sense for the Nets to play a youngster who is still learning the game this year as compared to the Knicks last year?

Yes there is. There are about a million reasons and differences between the players and their respective teams.

D'Antoni is winning this year and I don't think there is anyone on this forum that doesn't want the Knicks to succeeed. That being said, D'Antoni has some obvious faults that have carried over during his career. Attempting to squelch every single criticism of D'Antoni isn't necessary. He has faults. Do you really think Hill and Douglas were handled correctly last year on a 29 win team? Do you really think Walsh envisioned that D'Antoni would banish Randolph to the end of the bench when he was the prize in the package that came back from the Warriors in the Lee trade?

watching AR tonight it's easy to understand why MDA doesn't play the guy, but i think a lot of that has to do w/the fact he's lost all confidence in his game... i think Mozgov is suffering from the same thing... both these guys are not going to magically break out of their funk by only seeing minutes in garbage time IMO... i think at this point we're pretty much past the point of no return with AR on this team... he's probably gonna get traded & i'd be shocked if we could get 1st round pick value out of him in a trade... even if AR does get playing time i doubt he'll become that Marcus Camby player that all of us hope he can be... i think he needs to be on a rebuilding situation where the coach will allow him to go through his growing pains on the court & mature as a player, much in the same way Jermaine O'Neal got when he got traded to Indiana.

i'll tell you what though, he's a blocking machine on NBA2k11..love him

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:One is a playoff team, one is not. With 9 wins, you can do that.

you weren't saying this last year when Jordan Hill couldn't get any burn... is there a different set of circumstances that make sense for the Nets to play a youngster who is still learning the game this year as compared to the Knicks last year?

Yes there is. There are about a million reasons and differences between the players and their respective teams.

D'Antoni is winning this year and I don't think there is anyone on this forum that doesn't want the Knicks to succeeed. That being said, D'Antoni has some obvious faults that have carried over during his career. Attempting to squelch every single criticism of D'Antoni isn't necessary. He has faults. Do you really think Hill and Douglas were handled correctly last year on a 29 win team? Do you really think Walsh envisioned that D'Antoni would banish Randolph to the end of the bench when he was the prize in the package that came back from the Warriors in the Lee trade?

watching AR tonight it's easy to understand why MDA doesn't play the guy, but i think a lot of that has to do w/the fact he's lost all confidence in his game... i think Mozgov is suffering from the same thing... both these guys are not going to magically break out of their funk by only seeing minutes in garbage time IMO... i think at this point we're pretty much past the point of no return with AR on this team... he's probably gonna get traded & i'd be shocked if we could get 1st round pick value out of him in a trade... even if AR does get playing time i doubt he'll become that Marcus Camby player that all of us hope he can be... i think he needs to be on a rebuilding situation where the coach will allow him to go through his growing pains on the court & mature as a player, much in the same way Jermaine O'Neal got when he got traded to Indiana.

i'll tell you what though, he's a blocking machine on NBA2k11..love him

he actually sucks on my 2k11 team... he's currently in my doghouse.

nixluva wrote:TMS you keep ignoring the answer to your own question. Mike said that Timo got the nod cuz in practice he was actually doing the right things and looking good. He just couldn't translate that into games. His nerves got the best of him and he couldn't execute something as simple as catching the ball. He kept giving him a chance to see if he calmed down and the game slowed down for him. He did actually know what he was doing tho and aside from fouling too much. He was in the right spots, set good picks, passed well and moved well. AR hadn't even looked good in practice....

i get the fact that AR has looked brutal... just can't understand how a guy who put up the kinds of stats he did last year can regress into being a player he is now in such a short period of time... IMO this has more to do w/a mental thing w/AR than anything else... this isn't a question of talent or ability to produce... i think a player like this needs to be given more reign to work through his issues on the court in a rebuilding situation, much in the same way the Nets are trying to groom Derrick Favors, & much in the same way i thought the Knicks should have been doing with Jordan Hill last season... unfortunately we're no longer in a rebuilding situation, so i don't think it's ever going to work out for AR here... it's too bad DW's decision to trade D Lee for him hasn't reaped the type of value i thought it once did, but i'm not gonna kill him for making the move... i doubt he ever would have traded for him if he knew he'd never get any run, & i believe the same holds true for his decision to draft Jordan Hill last year.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:TMS you keep ignoring the answer to your own question. Mike said that Timo got the nod cuz in practice he was actually doing the right things and looking good. He just couldn't translate that into games. His nerves got the best of him and he couldn't execute something as simple as catching the ball. He kept giving him a chance to see if he calmed down and the game slowed down for him. He did actually know what he was doing tho and aside from fouling too much. He was in the right spots, set good picks, passed well and moved well. AR hadn't even looked good in practice....

i get the fact that AR has looked brutal... just can't understand how a guy who put up the kinds of stats he did last year can regress into being a player he is now in such a short period of time... IMO this has more to do w/a mental thing w/AR than anything else... this isn't a question of talent or ability to produce... i think a player like this needs to be given more reign to work through his issues on the court in a rebuilding situation, much in the same way the Nets are trying to groom Derrick Favors, & much in the same way i thought the Knicks should have been doing with Jordan Hill last season... unfortunately we're no longer in a rebuilding situation, so i don't think it's ever going to work out for AR here... it's too bad DW's decision to trade D Lee for him hasn't reaped the type of value i thought it once did, but i'm not gonna kill him for making the move... i doubt he ever would have traded for him if he knew he'd never get any run, & i believe the same holds true for his decision to draft Jordan Hill last year.

Mike KNOWS when he's looking at good to great drive in his players. He's coached some of the most driven and dedicated players in the NBA! He even expects more from those players as he did from a pretty driven Amar'e. Amar'e admits now that he's a better player and even more dedicated. Mike and AMar'e had issues, but Mike as a coach was only demanding more from his player, cuz he knew that he had it to give.

AR and Hill are examples of young men who didn't show that drive that Mike knows the good to great ones have. He as a coach is trying to push them to step up to another level. Just because they might play for another coach on a rebuilding team doesn't mean that they'd learn how to be great. Mike is trying to teach his players how to win. The guys that are playing now FULLY understand that now. You think Fields, Williams, TD, Chan and Gallo don't understand what Mike is teaching them? I'm positive that they fully get it and have bought in.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:TMS you keep ignoring the answer to your own question. Mike said that Timo got the nod cuz in practice he was actually doing the right things and looking good. He just couldn't translate that into games. His nerves got the best of him and he couldn't execute something as simple as catching the ball. He kept giving him a chance to see if he calmed down and the game slowed down for him. He did actually know what he was doing tho and aside from fouling too much. He was in the right spots, set good picks, passed well and moved well. AR hadn't even looked good in practice....

i get the fact that AR has looked brutal... just can't understand how a guy who put up the kinds of stats he did last year can regress into being a player he is now in such a short period of time... IMO this has more to do w/a mental thing w/AR than anything else... this isn't a question of talent or ability to produce... i think a player like this needs to be given more reign to work through his issues on the court in a rebuilding situation, much in the same way the Nets are trying to groom Derrick Favors, & much in the same way i thought the Knicks should have been doing with Jordan Hill last season... unfortunately we're no longer in a rebuilding situation, so i don't think it's ever going to work out for AR here... it's too bad DW's decision to trade D Lee for him hasn't reaped the type of value i thought it once did, but i'm not gonna kill him for making the move... i doubt he ever would have traded for him if he knew he'd never get any run, & i believe the same holds true for his decision to draft Jordan Hill last year.

Mike KNOWS when he's looking at good to great drive in his players. He's coached some of the most driven and dedicated players in the NBA! He even expects more from those players as he did from a pretty driven Amar'e. Amar'e admits now that he's a better player and even more dedicated. Mike and AMar'e had issues, but Mike as a coach was only demanding more from his player, cuz he knew that he had it to give.

AR and Hill are examples of young men who didn't show that drive that Mike knows the good to great ones have. He as a coach is trying to push them to step up to another level. Just because they might play for another coach on a rebuilding team doesn't mean that they'd learn how to be great. Mike is trying to teach his players how to win. The guys that are playing now FULLY understand that now. You think Fields, Williams, TD, Chan and Gallo don't understand what Mike is teaching them? I'm positive that they fully get it and have bought in.

sometimes all a young players needs is an opportunity... see Jermaine O'Neal.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:TMS you keep ignoring the answer to your own question. Mike said that Timo got the nod cuz in practice he was actually doing the right things and looking good. He just couldn't translate that into games. His nerves got the best of him and he couldn't execute something as simple as catching the ball. He kept giving him a chance to see if he calmed down and the game slowed down for him. He did actually know what he was doing tho and aside from fouling too much. He was in the right spots, set good picks, passed well and moved well. AR hadn't even looked good in practice....

i get the fact that AR has looked brutal... just can't understand how a guy who put up the kinds of stats he did last year can regress into being a player he is now in such a short period of time... IMO this has more to do w/a mental thing w/AR than anything else... this isn't a question of talent or ability to produce... i think a player like this needs to be given more reign to work through his issues on the court in a rebuilding situation, much in the same way the Nets are trying to groom Derrick Favors, & much in the same way i thought the Knicks should have been doing with Jordan Hill last season... unfortunately we're no longer in a rebuilding situation, so i don't think it's ever going to work out for AR here... it's too bad DW's decision to trade D Lee for him hasn't reaped the type of value i thought it once did, but i'm not gonna kill him for making the move... i doubt he ever would have traded for him if he knew he'd never get any run, & i believe the same holds true for his decision to draft Jordan Hill last year.

Mike KNOWS when he's looking at good to great drive in his players. He's coached some of the most driven and dedicated players in the NBA! He even expects more from those players as he did from a pretty driven Amar'e. Amar'e admits now that he's a better player and even more dedicated. Mike and AMar'e had issues, but Mike as a coach was only demanding more from his player, cuz he knew that he had it to give.

AR and Hill are examples of young men who didn't show that drive that Mike knows the good to great ones have. He as a coach is trying to push them to step up to another level. Just because they might play for another coach on a rebuilding team doesn't mean that they'd learn how to be great. Mike is trying to teach his players how to win. The guys that are playing now FULLY understand that now. You think Fields, Williams, TD, Chan and Gallo don't understand what Mike is teaching them? I'm positive that they fully get it and have bought in.

sometimes all a young players needs is an opportunity... see Jermaine O'Neal.

It really depends tho. O'Neal may have shown himself to be a hard worker and to have a more solid grip on what his role was on the court. AR doesn't seem to have any idea. I totally understand your point about O'Neal, but it may not directly apply in this instance. Also Mike is trying to instill a sense of what winning BB is about. These young guys are seeing it up close and being around players that are showing the way to being a winning player. AR has no excuses.