that's all i found so far...wait..the cap hold is 2+1/2 times Wilsons salary i belive...so 5.5M prolly abouts

Rookie wrote:"In essence, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary."

that's all i found so far...wait..the cap hold is 2+1/2 times Wilsons salary i belive...so 5.5M prolly abouts

his caphold is $6.3M

we are 390,714 under the cap. Az 3.3, curry 11.2, Mason 1.4, Turiaf (P.O. i believe) 4, and williams 1

that's 21,367,577 under the current cap....minus wilson's cap hold, that leaves 15,067,577

well, what the heck...Bosh and James both signed for 14.5 to make it work

also, what is the staus of our mid level and bi anual...could be some money there and also the cap could be raised....so basically...alot of ifs...but doesn't sound impossible...maybe

not to mention...there's Randolph and Walker who could be moved for an expiring and a future pick freeing up more chandler money

Rookie wrote:not sure what next seasons cap is gonna be...but what i'm saying is that we sign Melo to whatever the difference is less Wilson's cap hold...if there is a difference...in the first year..then, can't we then negotiate and sign wilson for whatever his market value is and go over the cap? Not trying to be argumentative, just want to know if it is allowed under the rules

no, u can't... u don't get to use Wilson's Bird Rights to go over the cap to sign him if you already used your cap space to sign other players... for example, say we have $20M worth of cap space & Melo commands a max $17M salary... we still have to account for Wilson's cap hold (~$6M)... in that case, the actual cap space we have available to use is only $14M unless we renounce Wilson's rights & he becomes an unrestricted free agent... bottomline is we won't have enough cap space to accomodate both their contracts unless we dump other salaries for expirings this year, like Mozgov, Turiaf, AR, Gallo, etc., or if the salary cap gets increased by a significant margin, which we already know is probably not gonna happen... u don't get to use any exceptions like the MLE, LLE or Bird Rights & still use cap space to sign players in the same offseason... it's one or the other.

Actually, Rookie is correct. While it's true that if a team goes under the cap they no longer have access to the MLE or LLE, teams/players don't lose Bird rights unless the team waives them. Remember, last Summer, the Knicks signed Amare as a free agent but still retained David Lee's Bird rights so that they could sign-and-trade him to the Warriors. If you want to know more you should check out Larry Coon's Salary Cap FAQ http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

VCoug wrote:

Rookie wrote:not sure what next seasons cap is gonna be...but what i'm saying is that we sign Melo to whatever the difference is less Wilson's cap hold...if there is a difference...in the first year..then, can't we then negotiate and sign wilson for whatever his market value is and go over the cap? Not trying to be argumentative, just want to know if it is allowed under the rules

no, u can't... u don't get to use Wilson's Bird Rights to go over the cap to sign him if you already used your cap space to sign other players... for example, say we have $20M worth of cap space & Melo commands a max $17M salary... we still have to account for Wilson's cap hold (~$6M)... in that case, the actual cap space we have available to use is only $14M unless we renounce Wilson's rights & he becomes an unrestricted free agent... bottomline is we won't have enough cap space to accomodate both their contracts unless we dump other salaries for expirings this year, like Mozgov, Turiaf, AR, Gallo, etc., or if the salary cap gets increased by a significant margin, which we already know is probably not gonna happen... u don't get to use any exceptions like the MLE, LLE or Bird Rights & still use cap space to sign players in the same offseason... it's one or the other.

Actually, Rookie is correct. While it's true that if a team goes under the cap they no longer have access to the MLE or LLE, teams/players don't lose Bird rights unless the team waives them. Remember, last Summer, the Knicks signed Amare as a free agent but still retained David Lee's Bird rights so that they could sign-and-trade him to the Warriors. If you want to know more you should check out Larry Coon's Salary Cap FAQ http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

techically that's true, but we have to renounce Wilson's rights in order to have the cap space to sign Melo, which is basically what i just outlined above... we had $27M in cap space over the summer & then freed up another $9M after the Fishlips trade... as far as i'm aware we didn't have to use D Lee's Bird Rights to extend him... we took back equal salary in that sign & trade.

TMS wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Rookie wrote:not sure what next seasons cap is gonna be...but what i'm saying is that we sign Melo to whatever the difference is less Wilson's cap hold...if there is a difference...in the first year..then, can't we then negotiate and sign wilson for whatever his market value is and go over the cap? Not trying to be argumentative, just want to know if it is allowed under the rules

no, u can't... u don't get to use Wilson's Bird Rights to go over the cap to sign him if you already used your cap space to sign other players... for example, say we have $20M worth of cap space & Melo commands a max $17M salary... we still have to account for Wilson's cap hold (~$6M)... in that case, the actual cap space we have available to use is only $14M unless we renounce Wilson's rights & he becomes an unrestricted free agent... bottomline is we won't have enough cap space to accomodate both their contracts unless we dump other salaries for expirings this year, like Mozgov, Turiaf, AR, Gallo, etc., or if the salary cap gets increased by a significant margin, which we already know is probably not gonna happen... u don't get to use any exceptions like the MLE, LLE or Bird Rights & still use cap space to sign players in the same offseason... it's one or the other.

Actually, Rookie is correct. While it's true that if a team goes under the cap they no longer have access to the MLE or LLE, teams/players don't lose Bird rights unless the team waives them. Remember, last Summer, the Knicks signed Amare as a free agent but still retained David Lee's Bird rights so that they could sign-and-trade him to the Warriors. If you want to know more you should check out Larry Coon's Salary Cap FAQ http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

techically that's true, but we have to renounce Wilson's rights in order to have the cap space to sign Melo, which is basically what i just outlined above... we had $27M in cap space over the summer & then freed up another $9M after the Fishlips trade... as far as i'm aware we didn't have to use D Lee's Bird Rights to extend him... we took back equal salary in that sign & trade.

Isn't this what San Antonio did with RJ, in order to sign additional FA's this year? Or did this have something to do with an opt-out?

FistOfOakley wrote:i think the mid level is gonna be gone by the next cba so i wouldn't be resting my hopes on it if we get a trade in with melo.

how are teams gonna upgrade every year if they get rid of the MLE? i can see them lowering the salary cap but only way they get rid of the MLE is if they do away with guaranteed contracts like they do it in the NFL, which u know the player's union is never gonna go for.

TMS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:During the past 17 games, Wilson has put up 20 PPG and 7 RPG on 53% shooting. It's not a huge sample but those are Melo-like #s, except with better shooting.

Melo's averaging 31 & 9 in his last 17 games.

i think your numbers are off. feels more like 25 & 9. ~44% shooting.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:During the past 17 games, Wilson has put up 20 PPG and 7 RPG on 53% shooting. It's not a huge sample but those are Melo-like #s, except with better shooting.

Melo's averaging 31 & 9 in his last 17 games.

i think your numbers are off. feels more like 25 & 9. ~44% shooting.

i didn't count the game he only played 3 minutes.

EDIT: nvm, just tallied it up again... ur right, i was off... 25 & 9 sounds about right.

Paladin55 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:During the past 17 games, Wilson has put up 20 PPG and 7 RPG on 53% shooting. It's not a huge sample but those are Melo-like #s, except with better shooting.

Might also want to consider the points which Wilson is not allowing as a defender and shot blocker.

If Chandler continues playing at something near the above pace, why wouldn't we change our and think about signing him and another decent player (or 2?), instead of throwing the bank at Melo and losing any chance to keep Wilson?

Would we be better off signing Chandler at $7+ million and using the difference between Chandler's new contract and the $$ we would have to pay to Melo to pick up another big, a true SG, or whatever else Walsh thinks we need?

Just a thought.

let me think. yes.