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1/5/2011  1:06 AM
Knixkik wrote:He definitely has become much more than a role player, but i still don't see him every becoming as good as Melo, or any of the other superstar forwards in the league. I see a Shawn Marion type, the third best player on a good team as his peak. Hopefully Denver does not want him because of his upcoming free agency and we can resign him. I still see him as a great 6th man for this team as it becomes a championship contender.

w/Gallo also taking up his share of shot opportunities here, i don't think Wilson can ever realize his full potential... i've noticed that when 1 of them is going good, the other one tends to disappear into the background... today Gallo was taken out of the picture & Wilson shines... i don't think that's a coincidence... i think the opposite could easily happen if it was the other way around also... these guys almost tend to cancel each other out sometimes... obviously having 2 young guys w/that kind of talent is never a bad thing, but like u i also think Wilson's ceiling is in that Shawn Marion type role.

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1/5/2011  1:08 AM
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Uptown wrote:Chandler is a legit 3rd option on a championship level team. Funny how Chandler slides to the three and still doesn't have trouble finding shots.

And to think, it was only three years ago when many of us were lamenting the loss of Trevor Ariza Good thing the Trailblazers aref ull of themselves and didn't accept that trade offer for Rudy Fernandez.

i can't believe anyone even considered trading Wilson for Rudy... that would have been a horrible trade for the Knicks

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1/5/2011  1:09 AM
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Knixkik wrote:He definitely has become much more than a role player, but i still don't see him every becoming as good as Melo, or any of the other superstar forwards in the league. I see a Shawn Marion type, the third best player on a good team as his peak. Hopefully Denver does not want him because of his upcoming free agency and we can resign him. I still see him as a great 6th man for this team as it becomes a championship contender.
Shawn Marion in his prime? If that is the case he should be considered almost untradeable.

Wilson will never be the rebounder that Marion was in his prime.

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1/5/2011  1:15 AM
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He definitely has become much more than a role player, but i still don't see him every becoming as good as Melo, or any of the other superstar forwards in the league. I see a Shawn Marion type, the third best player on a good team as his peak. Hopefully Denver does not want him because of his upcoming free agency and we can resign him. I still see him as a great 6th man for this team as it becomes a championship contender.
Shawn Marion in his prime? If that is the case he should be considered almost untradeable.

Wilson will never be the rebounder that Marion was in his prime.

Marion never was the offensive player Wilson is now. If Wilson played next to Kidd/Prime Marbury/Nash in consecutive yrs as he came into his prime he'd probably be even more of a weapon.
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1/5/2011  1:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2011  1:27 AM
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crzymdups wrote:The ridiculous thing is that the Nuggets ever acted like the Knicks don't have good young players or anything they'd want in a trade.

Not just Denver, but David Kahn too, I believe he said that we had no one of value on our roster about a year ago. How do you like them apples now David? I could see Kahn calling up Walsh asking about Chandler:

Kahn: So, Donnie, how about I give you the PG you need for Chandler?
Donnie: Rubio, huh. So you're finally admitting he's not going to play for you?
Kahn: I didn't say Rubio. Telfair. Sebastian Telfair. He's what you need.
Donnie: for Chandler?
Kahn: Chandler and a pick, yeah.
Donnie: I'll tell you what. When they fire your a** up there you can come and work for me again. Shining my shoes.
Kahn: No more shines, Donnie.
Donnie: What?
Kahn: I don't shine shoes no more. Maybe you didn't hear about it, but I'm a GM now, and I don't shine shoes no more.
Donnie: Relax, will ya? Ya flip right out, what's got into you? I'm breaking your balls a little bit, that's all. I'm only kidding with ya...
Kahn: Sometimes you don't sound like you're kidding, you know...
Donnie: I'm only kidding with you, we're having a party, we just beat the Spurs and I haven't talked to you in a long time and I'm breaking your balls, and you're getting fresh. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you.
Kahn: I'm sorry too. It's okay. No problem.
Donnie: Okay, salud.
Donnie: Now go home and get your f*in' shinebox.

Though of course, Donnie doesn't get whacked.

Kahn: Ay, oh. Bobby, did 'dis guy just say what I think he just said?
DeNiro: I think he did Dave. I think he did.
Donnie: Sorry Dave. Did I offend you?
Kahn: Hey Bobby, get a load'a 'dis guy. He wants to know if I'm offended.
DeNiro: You offended him a lil 'bit, Donnie. A lil 'bit.

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1/5/2011  1:26 AM
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TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He definitely has become much more than a role player, but i still don't see him every becoming as good as Melo, or any of the other superstar forwards in the league. I see a Shawn Marion type, the third best player on a good team as his peak. Hopefully Denver does not want him because of his upcoming free agency and we can resign him. I still see him as a great 6th man for this team as it becomes a championship contender.
Shawn Marion in his prime? If that is the case he should be considered almost untradeable.

Wilson will never be the rebounder that Marion was in his prime.

Marion never was the offensive player Wilson is now. If Wilson played next to Kidd/Prime Marbury/Nash in consecutive yrs as he came into his prime he'd probably be even more of a weapon.

Marion averaged 22 pts a game in his prime.

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1/5/2011  2:26 AM
Man just the fact that we're even discussing these comparisons is a victory! I mean we're talking about our own Picks turning into stars as we asked for to start the season. We all said that we knew Amar'e would be his usual self, but that we needed our homegrown studs to step up and Chan has been doing that. I still think Gallo is much closer to doing the same one day than not, so that makes me want to keep him.

The thing is Denver can't act like we don't have talent to trade for Melo. They can say it but it ain't true. We'd give them a package that is pretty good, given that you NEVER get equal value when trading superstars. Since nothings gonna happen until the actual deadline we'll have even more evidence of the value of our players by then. Should be very interesting.
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1/5/2011  2:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2011  2:58 AM
TMS wrote:
Juice wrote:
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He definitely has become much more than a role player, but i still don't see him every becoming as good as Melo, or any of the other superstar forwards in the league. I see a Shawn Marion type, the third best player on a good team as his peak. Hopefully Denver does not want him because of his upcoming free agency and we can resign him. I still see him as a great 6th man for this team as it becomes a championship contender.
Shawn Marion in his prime? If that is the case he should be considered almost untradeable.

Wilson will never be the rebounder that Marion was in his prime.

Marion never was the offensive player Wilson is now. If Wilson played next to Kidd/Prime Marbury/Nash in consecutive yrs as he came into his prime he'd probably be even more of a weapon.

Marion averaged 22 pts a game in his prime.

All scoring isn't the same. I mean no one in their right mind looked at Marion as a skilled offensive player. He was an athlete who developed a 3pt and flip shot. He also ran the court like a Gazelle. Basically Fields but a beast on the boards and getting steals. I don't think anyone would say Fields is offensively as talented as Chandler. He has a chance to be... depending on how he works on his game.
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1/5/2011  3:04 AM
Juice wrote:
TMS wrote:
Juice wrote:
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He definitely has become much more than a role player, but i still don't see him every becoming as good as Melo, or any of the other superstar forwards in the league. I see a Shawn Marion type, the third best player on a good team as his peak. Hopefully Denver does not want him because of his upcoming free agency and we can resign him. I still see him as a great 6th man for this team as it becomes a championship contender.
Shawn Marion in his prime? If that is the case he should be considered almost untradeable.

Wilson will never be the rebounder that Marion was in his prime.

Marion never was the offensive player Wilson is now. If Wilson played next to Kidd/Prime Marbury/Nash in consecutive yrs as he came into his prime he'd probably be even more of a weapon.

Marion averaged 22 pts a game in his prime.

All scoring isn't the same. I mean no one in their right mind looked at Marion as a skilled offensive player. He was an athlete who developed a 3pt and flip shot. He also ran the court like a Gazelle. Basically Fields but a beast on the boards and getting steals. I don't think anyone would say Fields is offensively as talented as Chandler. He has a chance to be... depending on how he works on his game.

I fully expect Fields to improve his offensive game. He's got all the ability in the world and his handle is actually ahead of where Chandler was when he came in. I don't want to trade Fields under any circumstances. He just seems to me to be a WINNING PLAYER.
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1/5/2011  6:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2011  7:02 AM
The Mayor Takes Office

Only in New York would a player have a near-flawless 31 point performance against the best team in the league, and he would be the subject of idle trade speculation.

Shawn Marion?

Gimme a break. Shawn Marion has the ugliest shot this side of Jamal Wilkes. If Marion ever dreamed of banging inside as strong, and with as much amazing grace, as Wilson Chandler he needs to wake up and apologize. After a game like like last night, why is it important to dwell on comparing Wilson Chandler to Shawn Marion in the first place?

Why not compare him to the player he matched up against?

Wilson Chandler will only continue to improve.

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1/5/2011  6:56 AM
misterearl wrote:Why not compare him to the player he matched up against?

Which was punk ass RJ, who he quietly destroyed!

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1/5/2011  7:50 AM
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He definitely has become much more than a role player, but i still don't see him every becoming as good as Melo, or any of the other superstar forwards in the league. I see a Shawn Marion type, the third best player on a good team as his peak. Hopefully Denver does not want him because of his upcoming free agency and we can resign him. I still see him as a great 6th man for this team as it becomes a championship contender.
Shawn Marion in his prime? If that is the case he should be considered almost untradeable.

Wilson will never be the rebounder that Marion was in his prime.


He's not the rebounder but he is compensating by becoming a much better 3-point shooter than Marion ever was.
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1/5/2011  8:15 AM
TMS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He definitely has become much more than a role player, but i still don't see him every becoming as good as Melo, or any of the other superstar forwards in the league. I see a Shawn Marion type, the third best player on a good team as his peak. Hopefully Denver does not want him because of his upcoming free agency and we can resign him. I still see him as a great 6th man for this team as it becomes a championship contender.

w/Gallo also taking up his share of shot opportunities here, i don't think Wilson can ever realize his full potential... i've noticed that when 1 of them is going good, the other one tends to disappear into the background... today Gallo was taken out of the picture & Wilson shines... i don't think that's a coincidence... i think the opposite could easily happen if it was the other way around also... these guys almost tend to cancel each other out sometimes... obviously having 2 young guys w/that kind of talent is never a bad thing, but like u i also think Wilson's ceiling is in that Shawn Marion type role.

I agree to an extent but more times than not, Gallo is the one who seems almost content to disappear itno the background and become a bit passive. As you said, both are Knicks so i'm happy to have both but if it was up to us (which it isn't) and one had to go in a deal to improve the team whether it be Melo, a legit 5 or a really good 2, I would part with Gallo before I move Chandler. Regardless of who's here, Chanlder's quiet aggression wont allow him to slide to the background. He'll get his shots even if paired next to Melo.
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1/5/2011  8:36 AM
Anyone still choosing Danilo Gallinari over Wilson Chandler need their head checked. Chandler is better at EVERYTHING. He's even shooting 39% from three. Donnie Walsh simply needs to trade Ronny Turiaf, Toney Douglas, Anthony Randolph or Gallinari to clear enough room to keep Chandler and still go after Carmelo Anthony.
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1/5/2011  8:38 AM
Is there any way to re-sign Chandler this off-season and still have room to give Carmelo a max contract? What if we were to get rid of Moz and AR this year for expiring contracts?
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1/5/2011  9:40 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Is there any way to re-sign Chandler this off-season and still have room to give Carmelo a max contract? What if we were to get rid of Moz and AR this year for expiring contracts?

We would have to let Azub, Walker, Turiaf, and Curry walk and then probably have to trade TD and maybe even Gallo for draft picks to get far enough under the cap to keep Chandler and sign Melo to FA contract. The only way we keep both is if Melo signs extension and then is traded here. Under the current rules, we could then go over the cap to resign Chandler. However, if Denver traded Melo, they likely would demand Chandler.

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1/5/2011  9:45 AM
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TMS - Wilson will never be the rebounder that Marion was in his prime.

AM - Shawn Marion will never have the raw strength, humility, outside range, stone cold poker face, defensive chops or the dreadlocks The Mayor appears to be contemplating

Q. bonn1997 - What if we were to get rid of Moz and AR this year for expiring contracts?

A. Mozgov is not going anywhere either. He is an investment. A project. Donnie Walnuts knows don't cut bait on investments before they mature. Ditto Anthony Randolph.

Q. bonn1997 - Is there any way to re-sign Chandler this off-season and still have room to give Carmelo a max contract?

A. Donnie Walsh is not signing Carmelo to a max contract. The old man is smarter than many give him credit and already is scoping out Lithuania for a center

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1/5/2011  10:05 AM
misterearl wrote:The Mayor Takes Office

Only in New York would a player have a near-flawless 31 point performance against the best team in the league, and he would be the subject of idle trade speculation.

Shawn Marion?

Gimme a break. Shawn Marion has the ugliest shot this side of Jamal Wilkes. If Marion ever dreamed of banging inside as strong, and with as much amazing grace, as Wilson Chandler he needs to wake up and apologize. After a game like like last night, why is it important to dwell on comparing Wilson Chandler to Shawn Marion in the first place?

Why not compare him to the player he matched up against?

Wilson Chandler will only continue to improve.

I agree, Wilson is much smoother than Marion ever was - with a bigger offensive repertoire and a much better jumper. Marion shot like 31% from 3 in his years in Phoenix. Marion was a FAR superior rebounder to Wilson, at least so far, and I think that's one area Wilson can improve in. Wilson is athletic enough that he should be getting 8 rebounds a night. He's getting there, but he can improve.

His icy demeanor used to be a kind of turn off - but now it just seems to be a perfect fit with the other fiery personalities of Ray and Amar'e.

Long live the Mayor.

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1/5/2011  10:05 AM
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Knixkik wrote:He definitely has become much more than a role player, but i still don't see him every becoming as good as Melo, or any of the other superstar forwards in the league. I see a Shawn Marion type, the third best player on a good team as his peak. Hopefully Denver does not want him because of his upcoming free agency and we can resign him. I still see him as a great 6th man for this team as it becomes a championship contender.

w/Gallo also taking up his share of shot opportunities here, i don't think Wilson can ever realize his full potential... i've noticed that when 1 of them is going good, the other one tends to disappear into the background... today Gallo was taken out of the picture & Wilson shines... i don't think that's a coincidence... i think the opposite could easily happen if it was the other way around also... these guys almost tend to cancel each other out sometimes... obviously having 2 young guys w/that kind of talent is never a bad thing, but like u i also think Wilson's ceiling is in that Shawn Marion type role.

You hit it right on the button. When one has a monster game the other finds to contribute in other ways. When both are effective they score about 15 a game which is around both their averages. Just not enough shots to go around for both to have both of them have a monster game at the same time. Amare will take most of the shots along with Felton and with this structure and system they should.
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Bonn1997 wrote:Is there any way to re-sign Chandler this off-season and still have room to give Carmelo a max contract? What if we were to get rid of Moz and AR this year for expiring contracts?

We would have to let Azub, Walker, Turiaf, and Curry walk and then probably have to trade TD and maybe even Gallo for draft picks to get far enough under the cap to keep Chandler and sign Melo to FA contract. The only way we keep both is if Melo signs extension and then is traded here. Under the current rules, we could then go over the cap to resign Chandler. However, if Denver traded Melo, they likely would demand Chandler.

Mozgov's deal is not guaranteed for next season. Depending on how much Wilson asks for, we might be able to fit Melo and Wilson under the cap together. AR's deal is not guaranteed either - I'm guessing they can move him for a pick even as late as the draft.

But I'd rather try to fit Wilson and Nene under the cap and maybe add a Rudy Fernandez type shooter, too.

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