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1/4/2011  1:30 PM
Sometimes it's just not about how much talent someone has or how much you think they can help you, sometimes time is what's needed.

Imagine you have an 8 year old kid and you're teaching him how to use a gun. He shows promise, he's actually a damn good shot, but he's too immature and not being responsible with the weapon (pointing it at people's heads, etc). The first couple of times you give him a stern warning, but if he's still not getting it you simply take the tool away until such time you think he's ready to be responsible.

Doesn't mean you've given up on him, doesn't mean he's "not your kind of kid", doesn't mean he can't help you win a tournament, it just means he needs time to process without the weapon in his hands, and you're not going to jeopardize everyone's safety before then.

Meanwhile, other kids who are worse shots (and make mistakes too) still get to participate because they're acting responsibly.
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1/4/2011  1:39 PM
We need a big body out there.

I have never seen anything more embarrassing then what Big Z did too the Knicks in the first quarter of the Miami game. If we are going to beat a teams like Boston, Miami and Orlando we need to get some additional minutes off the bench. Williams will pick up Gallos outside shooting, but this team is in grave danger with Felton, Douglas, Turiaf, Amare all very fragile right now. We need additional production and limiting minutes amoung our starters
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1/4/2011  2:23 PM
Are people even taking in what Bip is saying? Is he playing this bad in practice that he can't beat out Billy Freaking Walker? He has the talent to blow him out of the water, even if it was his first season.

Think of what his issues were:

1) Jacking up shots.
2) Mental lapses.
3) Lack of energy on BOTH ends.

Jacking up a bad shot now and then is fine. Everyone does it. He would STILL be in the lineup if this was his only problem. This wasn't what MDA always pulled the kid out for though. He pulled him out for missed defensive assignments and a lack of energy. If he's showing no sense of urgency, has anyone figured that not ONLY is he spitting on MDA, but also Donnie Walsh?

This is if it's all true. If they are just waiting until he's learning more... then hey, give him some minutes to fill the void. However, if he's just Eddie Currying it (Minus being fat) then why should MDA feel obligated to put the guy in?

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1/4/2011  2:36 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:Are people even taking in what Bip is saying? Is he playing this bad in practice that he can't beat out Billy Freaking Walker? He has the talent to blow him out of the water, even if it was his first season.

Think of what his issues were:

1) Jacking up shots.
2) Mental lapses.
3) Lack of energy on BOTH ends.

Jacking up a bad shot now and then is fine. Everyone does it. He would STILL be in the lineup if this was his only problem. This wasn't what MDA always pulled the kid out for though. He pulled him out for missed defensive assignments and a lack of energy. If he's showing no sense of urgency, has anyone figured that not ONLY is he spitting on MDA, but also Donnie Walsh?

This is if it's all true. If they are just waiting until he's learning more... then hey, give him some minutes to fill the void. However, if he's just Eddie Currying it (Minus being fat) then why should MDA feel obligated to put the guy in?

i dunno if you've noticed, but Bill Walker hasn't exactly lit the world on fire w/his hustle, defensive intensity, shotmaking prowess either this year... but he HAS been able to knock down some 3's... maybe AR needs to work on his 3 pt shooting in practice.

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1/4/2011  2:37 PM
TMS wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:Are people even taking in what Bip is saying? Is he playing this bad in practice that he can't beat out Billy Freaking Walker? He has the talent to blow him out of the water, even if it was his first season.

Think of what his issues were:

1) Jacking up shots.
2) Mental lapses.
3) Lack of energy on BOTH ends.

Jacking up a bad shot now and then is fine. Everyone does it. He would STILL be in the lineup if this was his only problem. This wasn't what MDA always pulled the kid out for though. He pulled him out for missed defensive assignments and a lack of energy. If he's showing no sense of urgency, has anyone figured that not ONLY is he spitting on MDA, but also Donnie Walsh?

This is if it's all true. If they are just waiting until he's learning more... then hey, give him some minutes to fill the void. However, if he's just Eddie Currying it (Minus being fat) then why should MDA feel obligated to put the guy in?

i dunno if you've noticed, but Bill Walker hasn't exactly lit the world on fire w/his hustle, defensive intensity, shotmaking prowess either this year... but he HAS been able to knock down some 3's... maybe AR needs to work on his 3 pt shooting in practice.

You're proving my point.

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1/4/2011  2:38 PM
TMS.... AR has this talent... Bill Walker is playing like crap besides a couple of nice plays now and then. If AR is not playing ahead of Bill Walker, then AR must be playing absolutely putrid and worthy of playing ahead of NOBODY.

This isn't an MDA problem. This is an AR problem.

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1/4/2011  2:43 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:TMS.... AR has this talent... Bill Walker is playing like crap besides a couple of nice plays now and then. If AR is not playing ahead of Bill Walker, then AR must be playing absolutely putrid and worthy of playing ahead of NOBODY.

This isn't an MDA problem. This is an AR problem.

Alan Hahn even said it when he said he watched a Knicks practice and said AR was missing defensive assignments and not sticking out at all. Think of how he played during the preseason. He showed NOTHING. He didn't show any of that guy that was in Golden State. He showed a skinny Eddie Curry with no low post game but maybe a couple of more rebounds, and even that was inconsistent.

Do you really think Bill Walker and Shawn Williams would be ahead of AR if he was actually showing something decent in practice? Heck, bro, Amar'e needs LESS minutes to protect that knee. Don't you think MDA would LOVE for AR to get right so that Amar'e could get some more rest??

MDA isn't stupid.

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1/4/2011  2:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2011  2:50 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:TMS.... AR has this talent... Bill Walker is playing like crap besides a couple of nice plays now and then. If AR is not playing ahead of Bill Walker, then AR must be playing absolutely putrid and worthy of playing ahead of NOBODY.

This isn't an MDA problem. This is an AR problem.

Alan Hahn even said it when he said he watched a Knicks practice and said AR was missing defensive assignments and not sticking out at all. Think of how he played during the preseason. He showed NOTHING. He didn't show any of that guy that was in Golden State. He showed a skinny Eddie Curry with no low post game but maybe a couple of more rebounds, and even that was inconsistent.

Do you really think Bill Walker and Shawn Williams would be ahead of AR if he was actually showing something decent in practice? Heck, bro, Amar'e needs LESS minutes to protect that knee. Don't you think MDA would LOVE for AR to get right so that Amar'e could get some more rest??

MDA isn't stupid.

not everything MDA does makes sense to me... he played Bender last year over Jordan Hill... that still doesn't make any sense to me & never will... i dunno what goes on during practice & neither do u so all we can do is speculate... i just don't see any reason for Bill Walker to be out there right now, he's giving us LITERALLY nothing... when your biggest need is for someone who can rebound, it seems to make sense to me to play a guy who can get you that... but hey, what do i know... i have a feeling if AR could knock down 3's he'd be a regular part of the rotation by now, but that's just my own speculation.

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1/4/2011  2:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2011  2:51 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:TMS.... AR has this talent... Bill Walker is playing like crap besides a couple of nice plays now and then. If AR is not playing ahead of Bill Walker, then AR must be playing absolutely putrid and worthy of playing ahead of NOBODY.

This isn't an MDA problem. This is an AR problem.

Alan Hahn even said it when he said he watched a Knicks practice and said AR was missing defensive assignments and not sticking out at all. Think of how he played during the preseason. He showed NOTHING. He didn't show any of that guy that was in Golden State. He showed a skinny Eddie Curry with no low post game but maybe a couple of more rebounds, and even that was inconsistent.

Do you really think Bill Walker and Shawn Williams would be ahead of AR if he was actually showing something decent in practice? Heck, bro, Amar'e needs LESS minutes to protect that knee. Don't you think MDA would LOVE for AR to get right so that Amar'e could get some more rest??

MDA isn't stupid.

Maybe the equation is as simples as

Bill Walker = stupid but with a 3 point shot

AR = stupid with no 3 point shot

so MDA chooses Walker?

With Gallo being out, AR getting minutes may come down to either AR stepping it up or Bill Walker sucking enough that AR becomes a better option...

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/4/2011  2:53 PM
TMS wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:TMS.... AR has this talent... Bill Walker is playing like crap besides a couple of nice plays now and then. If AR is not playing ahead of Bill Walker, then AR must be playing absolutely putrid and worthy of playing ahead of NOBODY.

This isn't an MDA problem. This is an AR problem.

Alan Hahn even said it when he said he watched a Knicks practice and said AR was missing defensive assignments and not sticking out at all. Think of how he played during the preseason. He showed NOTHING. He didn't show any of that guy that was in Golden State. He showed a skinny Eddie Curry with no low post game but maybe a couple of more rebounds, and even that was inconsistent.

Do you really think Bill Walker and Shawn Williams would be ahead of AR if he was actually showing something decent in practice? Heck, bro, Amar'e needs LESS minutes to protect that knee. Don't you think MDA would LOVE for AR to get right so that Amar'e could get some more rest??

MDA isn't stupid.

not everything MDA does makes sense to me... he played Bender last year over Jordan Hill... that still doesn't make any sense to me & never will... i dunno what goes on during practice & neither do u so all we can do is speculate... i just don't see any reason for Bill Walker to be out there right now, he's giving us LITERALLY nothing... when your biggest need is for someone who can rebound, it seems to make sense to me to play a guy who can get you that... but hey, what do i know.

You know about as much as me, but if we look up Bipileaks, maybe we'll be able to understand better.

I'm just trying to adding 1+1, and we all know that comes out to be 5... according to BipiLeaks.

In all seriousness... it's just the vibe I get, but your points are every bit as valid as mine until we all get invited into the Knicks practice facility to watch a practice... a serious one.

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1/4/2011  2:56 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
TMS wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:TMS.... AR has this talent... Bill Walker is playing like crap besides a couple of nice plays now and then. If AR is not playing ahead of Bill Walker, then AR must be playing absolutely putrid and worthy of playing ahead of NOBODY.

This isn't an MDA problem. This is an AR problem.

Alan Hahn even said it when he said he watched a Knicks practice and said AR was missing defensive assignments and not sticking out at all. Think of how he played during the preseason. He showed NOTHING. He didn't show any of that guy that was in Golden State. He showed a skinny Eddie Curry with no low post game but maybe a couple of more rebounds, and even that was inconsistent.

Do you really think Bill Walker and Shawn Williams would be ahead of AR if he was actually showing something decent in practice? Heck, bro, Amar'e needs LESS minutes to protect that knee. Don't you think MDA would LOVE for AR to get right so that Amar'e could get some more rest??

MDA isn't stupid.

not everything MDA does makes sense to me... he played Bender last year over Jordan Hill... that still doesn't make any sense to me & never will... i dunno what goes on during practice & neither do u so all we can do is speculate... i just don't see any reason for Bill Walker to be out there right now, he's giving us LITERALLY nothing... when your biggest need is for someone who can rebound, it seems to make sense to me to play a guy who can get you that... but hey, what do i know.

You know about as much as me, but if we look up Bipileaks, maybe we'll be able to understand better.

I'm just trying to adding 1+1, and we all know that comes out to be 5... according to BipiLeaks.

In all seriousness... it's just the vibe I get, but your points are every bit as valid as mine until we all get invited into the Knicks practice facility to watch a practice... a serious one.

man, that would be awesome to be able to sit in on a real practice... we wouldn't have to waste so much time arguing about what MDA's motives might be if we could see these guys & how they play during practice.

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1/4/2011  3:10 PM
danilo being out isn't going to impact whether AR plays too much. gallo was a floor spacer and shawne will probably see danilo's minutes with walker now getting shawne's minutes. Turiaf goes back to backing up both frontcourt spots.

if AR sees signficant floor time i'd be shocked.
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1/4/2011  6:34 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
martin wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:The fact that AR in his 3rd season has made it a competition for minutes between him and Mozgov and Walker and Mason and Rautins should be an embarrassment to him. He should be blowing these guys out of the water and yet he isn't.

dude can't beat out Billy Walker.

I'm surprised more people aren't outraged by this. He can't beat out Billy Walker and his minutes may even go to Timofey Mozgov before him. Come on AR!!! Why is this even a debate????

apparently he should just be given the minutes

I honestly don't think anything Randolph does in practice gets him minutes. Whether he was ever given a chance I don't know but D'Antoni has moved on and he is now the last guy off the bench waiting to restart his career in another nba city.
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1/4/2011  6:43 PM
On another Gallo injury note..Did anyone notice Gallo bending over in pain before his injury during the game...Any idea what that's about..
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