fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Being a young team with promise like us is great, no doubt. But when your franchise player is in his prime you have to make a move to acquire the best possible talent while giving up young talent. Waiting for Gallo to be something he's not gonna be is just ridiculous.

why does it have to be Gallo? I'm not banking on him becoming a star. I do think he can and will be a 20ppg scorer who defends very well. Chandler is on a Danny Granger type schedule himself. Fields is a rookie but you know the way he works he's going to get much better.

VMart.. whats the trade? If Denver wants 5 first rounder from NJ plus Favors plus Harris what are they going to ask the Knicks for? A Knick trade STARTS with Gallo + Fields + Chandler and includes some kind of mix of Douglas, Mosgov and AR to get some picks from other teams.

If Melo was Lebron I would do that. He's not.

I understand the thinking behind the coveted 2nd star but Melo isnt even as good as Steve Nash.

Also the Knicks got hurt by losing Lee, who was an all star for junk. That trade has not worked out at all. I dont want to see the same thing happen with Chandler who is close to being an all star himself if he keeps this up

If you go back into history of trades you will find that stars like Shaq didn't even yeild so much or for that matter Gasol, or Garnett. Melo holds the cards and that has held up a Nets trade. A good deal for Denver will be Gallo, AR and Field with Curry thrown in to make number work. That is a price I'm willing to pay and if they want a future number one I might add that too. The purpose is to get Amare his much needed second star and make sure this window of opportunity at least has a finals appearance. There are only so many windows teams like the Knicks have to make it work and this window is opening and we need to make the most out of the crack in the window that Amare has given the Knicks. Adding Melo opens the window a little more.

The guy doesn't want the GOTO guy label, he'll give you stretches, he'll take big shots, here and there, but thats it.

BlueSeats wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo holds the cards and that has held up a Nets trade.

Maybe. But if that's the case why is Denver upping their requirments? How does that placate Melo?

I feel Melo has more say to where he goes than he is letting on. If the Knicks don't get Melo it will definitely be a chance missed at getting a great player. Still my gut feeling tells me No Knicks, no Nets, Yes Lakers. Donnie has to pull this off and get Melo to NY.

Is he instructed or oblivious?

If he did not do what is asked would he be benched?

If Melo sat on the parimeter would his rebounds fall?

Does Melo get his own offensive rebounds at a higher rate?

Is being top 5-6-7 seed in east really not a bad thing for team?

Do we automatically get frustrated at losses and shout fixes as they are that easy?

Are we really that good to begin with?

Personally I see gallo making progress but its obvious when he is not and there is inconsistancy.

Is the glass half full or half empty?

If you see it as half empty are you as unhappy as the half full fans?

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Being a young team with promise like us is great, no doubt. But when your franchise player is in his prime you have to make a move to acquire the best possible talent while giving up young talent. Waiting for Gallo to be something he's not gonna be is just ridiculous.

why does it have to be Gallo? I'm not banking on him becoming a star. I do think he can and will be a 20ppg scorer who defends very well. Chandler is on a Danny Granger type schedule himself. Fields is a rookie but you know the way he works he's going to get much better.

VMart.. whats the trade? If Denver wants 5 first rounder from NJ plus Favors plus Harris what are they going to ask the Knicks for? A Knick trade STARTS with Gallo + Fields + Chandler and includes some kind of mix of Douglas, Mosgov and AR to get some picks from other teams.

If Melo was Lebron I would do that. He's not.

I understand the thinking behind the coveted 2nd star but Melo isnt even as good as Steve Nash.

Also the Knicks got hurt by losing Lee, who was an all star for junk. That trade has not worked out at all. I dont want to see the same thing happen with Chandler who is close to being an all star himself if he keeps this up

If you go back into history of trades you will find that stars like Shaq didn't even yeild so much or for that matter Gasol, or Garnett. Melo holds the cards and that has held up a Nets trade. A good deal for Denver will be Gallo, AR and Field with Curry thrown in to make number work. That is a price I'm willing to pay and if they want a future number one I might add that too. The purpose is to get Amare his much needed second star and make sure this window of opportunity at least has a finals appearance. There are only so many windows teams like the Knicks have to make it work and this window is opening and we need to make the most out of the crack in the window that Amare has given the Knicks. Adding Melo opens the window a little more.

Shaq was traded for Odom, Grant and Caron Butler + a pick
KG was traded for Al Jefferson, Gomes, Ratliff, Green and TWO first rounders

The Gasol trade was garbage... everyone knew that was a coup, but there were two first rounders.

So tell me again why you think we are getting Melo for Curry and Gallo. Its just not happening. If it does? Awesome... Walsh is exec of the year. If you want to be realistic it going to cost us our young core of very good players.

Blueseats... last I checked we have a pretty good finisher. The Knicks win close games. When they arent close it because we dont defend well enough and dont rebound well enough. Get Melo we are having this same conversation next year

fishmike wrote:Blueseats... last I checked we have a pretty good finisher. The Knicks win close games. When they arent close it because we dont defend well enough and dont rebound well enough. Get Melo we are having this same conversation next year

Just like the Heat will be too thin to be any good this year and Lebron and Wade are redundant.

Nalod wrote:Does Gallo not listen to his coaches?

Is he instructed or oblivious?

If he did not do what is asked would he be benched?

If Melo sat on the parimeter would his rebounds fall?

Does Melo get his own offensive rebounds at a higher rate?

Is being top 5-6-7 seed in east really not a bad thing for team?

Do we automatically get frustrated at losses and shout fixes as they are that easy?

Are we really that good to begin with?

Personally I see gallo making progress but its obvious when he is not and there is inconsistancy.

Is the glass half full or half empty?

If you see it as half empty are you as unhappy as the half full fans?

Wilson Chandler sits on the perimeter opposite side of Gallo, yet Wilson somehow grabs more Rebs, and has no problem getting off shots. Everyone, for the most part is skilled in the NBA, its whats between the ears that separate the good from great. Chandler wants it more than Gallo does.

AnubisADL wrote:

Nalod wrote:Does Gallo not listen to his coaches?

Is he instructed or oblivious?

If he did not do what is asked would he be benched?

If Melo sat on the parimeter would his rebounds fall?

Does Melo get his own offensive rebounds at a higher rate?

Is being top 5-6-7 seed in east really not a bad thing for team?

Do we automatically get frustrated at losses and shout fixes as they are that easy?

Are we really that good to begin with?

Personally I see gallo making progress but its obvious when he is not and there is inconsistancy.

Is the glass half full or half empty?

If you see it as half empty are you as unhappy as the half full fans?

- Stop making excuses for the guy. When Gallo wants to get his shot he gets shots off. The guy chooses to coast. He also lets the refs effect his game. I noticed he tries to plead with the refs when he doesnt get a call. Just STFU and get back on defense Gallo you are not a star.

- Gallo is a very talented player but talent can only get you so far in the NBA. You have to bring it every night for 4 quarters.

IM not making excuses. Somtimes its presented as if your the only one that can see his play. Like the coaches are oblivious.

Statistics are not always telling. They guy is playing differnt this year. Most of it is improved, but he is not consistant. Maybe its expectations. The assumption comes off like if you and others can convince us that its a good idea then its going to happen.

If its not consistant over the first 3rd of a season with finally a decent team do you really throw in the towel on the kid?

You think some fans and Devner things too high on him and we are going to get over on Denver some how?

If he can execute what he is attempting he will be stepping it up. To me he is doing and attempting things he did not do last year. So to me the level of progressis incremental.

Guess its where we set the bar. I want him to succeed and maybe you think if he does not we should get melo.
Nothing wrong with that. Don't matter what You and I think, its all on Donnie either way.

In fact if he thinks we should go all in for melo then I will root for the change to work.

If he wants to play if cool and placed limits on how high he wants to pay Im cool. He might be wrong but thats part of the business. May take years to figure out the truth.

Patient dudes lose battles to win wars.

Sangfroid wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Being a young team with promise like us is great, no doubt. But when your franchise player is in his prime you have to make a move to acquire the best possible talent while giving up young talent. Waiting for Gallo to be something he's not gonna be is just ridiculous.

why does it have to be Gallo? I'm not banking on him becoming a star. I do think he can and will be a 20ppg scorer who defends very well. Chandler is on a Danny Granger type schedule himself. Fields is a rookie but you know the way he works he's going to get much better.

VMart.. whats the trade? If Denver wants 5 first rounder from NJ plus Favors plus Harris what are they going to ask the Knicks for? A Knick trade STARTS with Gallo + Fields + Chandler and includes some kind of mix of Douglas, Mosgov and AR to get some picks from other teams.

If Melo was Lebron I would do that. He's not.

I understand the thinking behind the coveted 2nd star but Melo isnt even as good as Steve Nash.

Also the Knicks got hurt by losing Lee, who was an all star for junk. That trade has not worked out at all. I dont want to see the same thing happen with Chandler who is close to being an all star himself if he keeps this up

If you go back into history of trades you will find that stars like Shaq didn't even yeild so much or for that matter Gasol, or Garnett. Melo holds the cards and that has held up a Nets trade. A good deal for Denver will be Gallo, AR and Field with Curry thrown in to make number work. That is a price I'm willing to pay and if they want a future number one I might add that too. The purpose is to get Amare his much needed second star and make sure this window of opportunity at least has a finals appearance. There are only so many windows teams like the Knicks have to make it work and this window is opening and we need to make the most out of the crack in the window that Amare has given the Knicks. Adding Melo opens the window a little more.

The idea is to get away from these one sided trade scenarios. Melo is a nice player, but he's not worth 4 players plus a 5th to be named later(the 1st rounder). Teams make trades to A) get better or B) relieve themselves of headaches. We do not GUT THE TEAM to have less value.

Melo is Gilbert Arenas (before he got hurt). A really good player making a ton of money, but people here treat him like Lebron, Wade, etc.

Melo is a complimentary player and a 3 time all star. He's very popular. He's a nice piece. Gallo, Fields and Chandler are nice pieces too, and if you give Chandler $8mm a year they are all still cheaper than Melo