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Papabear
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12/31/2010  11:05 AM
cheers wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
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BRIGGS wrote:Unless Melo can guard the hoop--he wasnt doing anything that Chandler did not do. Chandler is becoming an NBA multi faceted all star level player

I like Chandler too, but his natural position is SF, same as Melo. It's not like we're losing a irreplaceable part, we'd be upgrading him in the deal with a guy who carried his team to the playoffs at 19.

You also have to be a little wary of guys coming out of MDA's system. I have this feeling that if Chandler were traded to another team his impact could drop considerably. See Q, Marion, Diaw, possibly Frye, etc, for reference.

--Im not giving him up.

With all due respect, you change your mind a lot. Lets talk again if he has a bad game, or we dip below .500

If Gallinari would step up--this wouldn't be a conversation.

if mda was fired this wouldnt be a conversation.

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Right on point!

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12/31/2010  11:19 AM
Papabear wrote:
cheers wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Unless Melo can guard the hoop--he wasnt doing anything that Chandler did not do. Chandler is becoming an NBA multi faceted all star level player

I like Chandler too, but his natural position is SF, same as Melo. It's not like we're losing a irreplaceable part, we'd be upgrading him in the deal with a guy who carried his team to the playoffs at 19.

You also have to be a little wary of guys coming out of MDA's system. I have this feeling that if Chandler were traded to another team his impact could drop considerably. See Q, Marion, Diaw, possibly Frye, etc, for reference.

--Im not giving him up.

With all due respect, you change your mind a lot. Lets talk again if he has a bad game, or we dip below .500

If Gallinari would step up--this wouldn't be a conversation.

if mda was fired this wouldnt be a conversation.

Papabear Says

Right on point!

great, lets stick chandler in the corner and gallo at the top of the key in the offense.. and you will see a big difference and better ball movement...

Right on point.....

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12/31/2010  11:31 AM
cheers wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If Gallinari would step up--this wouldn't be a conversation.

if mda was fired this wouldnt be a conversation.

I guess I don't understand either of these 2 sentiments.

The team is overachieving this year. Why fire the coach? The combined achievements of the coach and the players have the teams above and beyond where most everyone thought they would be.

And why would we already be giving up on Gallo? Last year and early this year the early sentiment was to 1) ridicule the drafting of Landry Fields 2) Give up on Chandler as a player who would fit SSOL 3) Give up Chandler for the likes for Rudy in POR 4) Fire coach for the 3-8 start.

When does patience kick in again?

Specifically with Gallo: Last year he was a spot up 3point shooter and towards end of season carried the team for a half or a game here or there. Guy is 22 and has done it again more this year but clearly not consistently. Has he topped out or just starting his stride?

Are we all day traders here? LOL

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12/31/2010  12:07 PM
martin wrote:
cheers wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If Gallinari would step up--this wouldn't be a conversation.

if mda was fired this wouldnt be a conversation.

I guess I don't understand either of these 2 sentiments.

The team is overachieving this year. Why fire the coach? The combined achievements of the coach and the players have the teams above and beyond where most everyone thought they would be.

And why would we already be giving up on Gallo? Last year and early this year the early sentiment was to 1) ridicule the drafting of Landry Fields 2) Give up on Chandler as a player who would fit SSOL 3) Give up Chandler for the likes for Rudy in POR 4) Fire coach for the 3-8 start.

When does patience kick in again?

Specifically with Gallo: Last year he was a spot up 3point shooter and towards end of season carried the team for a half or a game here or there. Guy is 22 and has done it again more this year but clearly not consistently. Has he topped out or just starting his stride?

Are we all day traders here? LOL

Papabear Says

Yes! thats what they are. Traders. One bad game and he is under the bus. If Amare had 4 bad games in a row they would want him gone in a trade for a 2nd round pick. LOL

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12/31/2010  12:20 PM
TMS wrote:
tkf wrote:
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BlueSeats wrote:They get any two of Gallo, Chandler, Fields; plus AR.

No. Either Chandler or Gallo plus Fields, Curry and AR.


but briggs is saying that chandler is head and shoulders better than gallo/ fields(which I think is ridiculous..)... so why would denver not just ask for chandler and other pieces? why?

he's living in fantasy land if he doesn't think DEN will ask for Wilson in any deal for Melo

Actually I don't think Denver wants anyone--with perhaps the exception of Fields. It seems like they want to reduce salary and want picks. Wilson Chandler is basically a half season rental of which they are guaranteed no return(anyone can sign him and it could be @ a price Denver does not like)
I think it would be more like trading the Gallos Randolphs and fields to other teams for picks which are conveyed to Denver. If Gallo would step up and play consistent--this would not be a topic becasue we have a team that scores enough points and need a quality power player and a bench. But A key to this team is Gallo. I expected him to be a consistent 18-20 pt scorer--that is what I expect of him--nothing less. He gets his opportunities to score but just seems to darn reliant on the 3. Why cant he start the game with a drive or a mid range/post up etc..

I think this thread really should be stated "Gallo pick it up step up or you will not be in the plans long term because we have different opportunities if you cannot". Also Wilson Chandler is a core piece--not trade able imho. Can Gallo step up and get back to that level of last year and have the same distinction? I hope so.

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12/31/2010  12:29 PM
Actually I take this thread back--I want a good big man a solid bench player and Gallo to step up. Am I asking too much
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12/31/2010  12:31 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Actually I take this thread back--I want a good big man a solid bench player and Gallo to step up. Am I asking too much

apparently.
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12/31/2010  12:32 PM
It's not about patience right now because one of the top 5 players in the league is available and has shown an interest in coming here. If Melo was out of the picture we'd be thinking of other ways to become a contender over the next few seasons. But we have a chance to have the 2 max contract guys we set out for the last 3 years. And if it takes sacrificing some or most of the talented youth we have it's worth it.
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12/31/2010  12:35 PM
rp wrote:Denver wants 5 first round draft picks so there goes our chances lol

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AnOcv0nVTNP_ToaWQDaCa2Y5nYcB?slug=aw-anthonynuggets123010

Denver wants 5 picks in a MULTI TEAM deal. Please put things into context.

Melo is rumored to want some talent coming with him to NJ. For all we know Nene could be heading to NJ in a multi team deal.

If NJ got Melo and Nene then I doubt 5 picks low first rounders is steep.

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12/31/2010  1:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/31/2010  1:50 PM
First you were all over Randolph, then turned on him faster than Curry can eat a twinkie.

Second, when we were on our streak, you wouldnt touch any one of our guys in a trade for Melo.

Make no mistake, I think this is a move we need to make, but cmon, how are you actually going back and forth like this and want people to take your posts seriously. We lose a couple of games to the elite of the east and now this Magic game made you change your stance completely, wow....taking your posts with a grain of salt from now on...
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12/31/2010  2:17 PM
MSG3 wrote:It's not about patience right now because one of the top 5 players in the league is available and has shown an interest in coming here. If Melo was out of the picture we'd be thinking of other ways to become a contender over the next few seasons. But we have a chance to have the 2 max contract guys we set out for the last 3 years. And if it takes sacrificing some or most of the talented youth we have it's worth it.

agreed... we're talking about a 26 yo superstar player in his prime here, not some over the hill washed up vet whose best days are behind him... we have Amare signed for 5 years, we should be looking to max out our talent right now & build a realistic championship contender while we have him... sometimes that takes making tough decisions like giving up some of your young talent that you've spent a couple years developing to do it... the Celtics took that risk & won a championship... the Heat took that chance & look to be 1 of the favorites to win it all this year... are we gonna take the risk or keep talking about building a championship contender without ever taking the necessary steps to do it?

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12/31/2010  2:19 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Actually I take this thread back--I want a good big man a solid bench player and Gallo to step up. Am I asking too much

Is this sarcasm or did you change your mind again? You can't possibly be serious
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12/31/2010  2:53 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Actually I take this thread back--I want a good big man a solid bench player and Gallo to step up. Am I asking too much

Is this sarcasm or did you change your mind again? You can't possibly be serious

This is a *Im disappointed in Gallo* thread and used poor judgment in my words when frustrated as a fan. I would like to see Gallo step up--that would be my number 1 goal for this team right now--its important for him to step up. For this team to perform at a certain level--its imperative that we get consistency from 4 players Chandler Gallo Amare and Felton. For the most part we have received that with Gallo being the inconsistent piece of the pie. Its also frustrating as a fan to see a good team not having the spare parts to play 48 minutes well

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12/31/2010  3:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/31/2010  3:48 PM
martin wrote:
cheers wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:If Gallinari would step up--this wouldn't be a conversation.

if mda was fired this wouldnt be a conversation.

I guess I don't understand either of these 2 sentiments.

The team is overachieving this year. Why fire the coach? The combined achievements of the coach and the players have the teams above and beyond where most everyone thought they would be.

And why would we already be giving up on Gallo? Last year and early this year the early sentiment was to 1) ridicule the drafting of Landry Fields 2) Give up on Chandler as a player who would fit SSOL 3) Give up Chandler for the likes for Rudy in POR 4) Fire coach for the 3-8 start.

When does patience kick in again?

Specifically with Gallo: Last year he was a spot up 3point shooter and towards end of season carried the team for a half or a game here or there. Guy is 22 and has done it again more this year but clearly not consistently. Has he topped out or just starting his stride?

Are we all day traders here? LOL

You nailed it, Martin. We need to stop thinking like day traders and invest with a bit more strategic vision. Otherwise we will be short-selling our future. I say Donnie should stick with his original offer of Curry, Gallo, AR/pick, cash, 2014 1st rounder as an ABSOLUTE MAX. They don't like it, they can trade him elsewhere. Denver has no leverage. Melo has no leverage b/c he wants to play in the Garden with a solid squad.

Donnie Walnuts is driving the bus and he isn't looking to get pulled over for a DWN (Driving While Napping). He's gonna get us our man, one way or the other, but he's not going to give up 3 yoots with huge upside. No way he includes Fields as it gives up too much without enough salary going out. That's not what a vet GM does if he wants to keep his job.
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12/31/2010  5:22 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Actually I take this thread back--I want a good big man a solid bench player and Gallo to step up. Am I asking too much

Is this sarcasm or did you change your mind again? You can't possibly be serious

This is a *Im disappointed in Gallo* thread and used poor judgment in my words when frustrated as a fan. I would like to see Gallo step up--that would be my number 1 goal for this team right now--its important for him to step up. For this team to perform at a certain level--its imperative that we get consistency from 4 players Chandler Gallo Amare and Felton. For the most part we have received that with Gallo being the inconsistent piece of the pie. Its also frustrating as a fan to see a good team not having the spare parts to play 48 minutes well

OK, fair enough. Gallo is a very frustrating player.
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12/31/2010  6:07 PM
When Melo is a bust in New York, as redundant to The Mayor, the trade checker will be buzzin' again

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Give a 6'11 center with a sky hook (and 11 rebounds per game) or give me death!

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12/31/2010  6:59 PM
lol Denver has ZERO LEVERAGE until Melo will agree to sign somewhere else.
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12/31/2010  7:59 PM
Best thing that could happen to this team is Melo doesn't get traded, we play out the year w the team as is, see if Mos and AR develop along the way, and everyone stays healthy.
If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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12/31/2010  9:19 PM
misterearl wrote:When Melo is a bust in New York, as redundant to The Mayor, the trade checker will be buzzin' again

never satisfied to watch a team grow with subtle adjustments

Give a 6'11 center with a sky hook (and 11 rebounds per game) or give me death!

Cant speak for everyone else, but I have enjoyed wacthing this team grow, but I do realize that there is a limit and this team as currently constructed will not grow past the Heat, Celts or Magic. BTW, unless your bringing Kareem out of retirement, we will not be seeing a center with a skyhook anytime soon.
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12/31/2010  10:40 PM
I've been on the fence on trades so far. I've also enjoyed this teams growth. And unlike most, if I had to choose between Gallo and Chandler....It would be Gallo. I was back and forth for a while on this one. But believe it or not, the better Chandler plays, the more we have to trade him.

Whether we get Melo or not, Wilson (really his agent) will demand a high salary for an average starter.

It would be feasible to lock Gallo up for a long cheap contract, and trade Chandler. Should give us more flexibility with signing Melo and posibilly CP3. While having the flexibilty of moving Gallo to the bench if necessary, without over paying for his bench play.

Also, Gallo doesn't want to be a superstar....He's a team player. So lock him up long term and pay him as a solid role player. Chandler will always be that over paid solid player, with star potential, and he will demand a star salary. If Donny plays his cards right, Gallo will be a solid late bloomer, willing to play any role thats needed on this team. Gallo is more of a complimentary player than Wilson is right now. Him and Fields could be those cheap glue guys you need on a championship team.

I also love this quote I copied below, and think now is the time to be aggressive and trade Chandler, picks and others for Melo...Instead of waiting for FA.

"Get yourself that fancy racehorse now while you have the funds, you can buy a new saddle next year."

This quote sums it up.....GET TO WORK DONNY.

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