TMS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

TMS wrote:

cheers wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Orangeblobsir, I kindly would like to point out to you that shooting a decent percentage (45%) does not mean you can shoot jump shots. I have to admit though, that I am shocked he has taken more 3pters than 2pters! He is now shooting 3's at 37% (not bad imo). Maybe he is changing things around but I would still like to see his jump shooting stats, which last I heard were really really bad. His scoring went down from 10 last year to 6.5 this year. That is really really low. Basically he takes 3 3's a game and hits one. He is only taking like 6 shots a game.

I am open to the guy now that I look at his better shooting % and as I said, I really liked the guy last year.

Excellent.

This is what Pepe Sanchez had to say about Ricky Rubio:

I think he's a freak of nature, being so young and being so skilled and also so cool all the time. You can see that he knows what he's doing. He's not playing out there with pros based only on his talents. He knows the game and he can only improve. I think he'll be a great player. It all depends on him, but I personally think he's going to be great.

this thread took a huh-wuh turn. rubio is not being offered, and ny has no hands to make demands for rubio because ar has no trade value. this is a take what you can get offer on the table by minny.

if Telfair is all they're willing to give, u tell them to go f themselves

For Telfair, I would give them Rautins.

salaries don't match up... gotta add another $2M as filler.

Roger Mason Jr. & Bill Walker for Telfair, Paulao Prestes & MIN's 2nd round pick would work for me

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5790635

I got one for you. We send them Azubuike and Douglas and we get Ridnour and Mavrokefalidis back.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5790708

orangeblobman wrote:

TMS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

TMS wrote:

cheers wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Orangeblobsir, I kindly would like to point out to you that shooting a decent percentage (45%) does not mean you can shoot jump shots. I have to admit though, that I am shocked he has taken more 3pters than 2pters! He is now shooting 3's at 37% (not bad imo). Maybe he is changing things around but I would still like to see his jump shooting stats, which last I heard were really really bad. His scoring went down from 10 last year to 6.5 this year. That is really really low. Basically he takes 3 3's a game and hits one. He is only taking like 6 shots a game.

I am open to the guy now that I look at his better shooting % and as I said, I really liked the guy last year.

Excellent.

This is what Pepe Sanchez had to say about Ricky Rubio:

I think he's a freak of nature, being so young and being so skilled and also so cool all the time. You can see that he knows what he's doing. He's not playing out there with pros based only on his talents. He knows the game and he can only improve. I think he'll be a great player. It all depends on him, but I personally think he's going to be great.

this thread took a huh-wuh turn. rubio is not being offered, and ny has no hands to make demands for rubio because ar has no trade value. this is a take what you can get offer on the table by minny.

if Telfair is all they're willing to give, u tell them to go f themselves

For Telfair, I would give them Rautins.

salaries don't match up... gotta add another $2M as filler.

Roger Mason Jr. & Bill Walker for Telfair, Paulao Prestes & MIN's 2nd round pick would work for me

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5790635

I got one for you. We send them Azubuike and Douglas and we get Ridnour and Mavrokefalidis back.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5790708

Ridnour would be perfect for our system, i'd make that deal yesterday... but the article says Minny isn't trading him.

Sangfroid wrote:

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Im pretty sure Minnesota is under the cap. So we could send them Anthony Randolph in a bigger deal to acquire Melo and dump some salary on them.

only problem w/that idea is Kahn doesn't seem too eager to help out the Knicks... plus we don't really have any salary we need to dump for next year

It's like the glass half empty on trading AR. Right now, he represents an asset because we are succeeding without him AND other teams want him. I also remember hoe Kahn kept sticking it to use in the Rubio situation, the Sessions situation and attitude in general. Let's turn the screws a bit, a player and a 1st. You can't get it unless you ask

Randolph has some value but I cant see a team giving up an unprotected first rounder unless it is a guaranteed playoff team.

EwingsGlass wrote:Minny gets nothing from us if it doesn't include Ricky. I say no to Telfair-- absolutely, unequivocally no. They still owe us from the Darko trade. The thought of Telfair as an option to me means that they do not think that Douglas can be the instant offense off the bench. Mike needs to fill the Leandro Barbosa role for this team. It's his coaching style. Mayo might be better suited to that role, if Memphis were up for a Randolph/Mayo swap. I'll toss in Bill Walker. Otherwise, I would be looking to pry Javale McGee away from the Wizards if they are open to discussions.

Why do you propose other teams will give away players who actually play for our DNP players?

Washington is a rebuilding team and they arent going to give away McGee or Blatche. I dont see Walsh trading picks or Gallo for them so this is a moot point. Centers dont grow on trees either.

Memphis is another young team and Mayo is still on his rookie deal. They arent going to give him away for garbage.

EwingsGlass wrote:Minny gets nothing from us if it doesn't include Ricky. I say no to Telfair-- absolutely, unequivocally no. They still owe us from the Darko trade. The thought of Telfair as an option to me means that they do not think that Douglas can be the instant offense off the bench. Mike needs to fill the Leandro Barbosa role for this team. It's his coaching style. Mayo might be better suited to that role, if Memphis were up for a Randolph/Mayo swap. I'll toss in Bill Walker. Otherwise, I would be looking to pry Javale McGee away from the Wizards if they are open to discussions.

wow who knew dnp players were so valuable. mayo can be had for chandler. chandler plays well on or off the bench. mayo doesnt play well off of bench. so that will need to be taken into consideration if mda was ever mayo's coach. since benching mayo guts his productivity.

cheers wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Ill do Telfair a 2011 and 2012 2nd rounders from Minnesota--that equals a number 1 pick to me.

askings for a second round pick(s) is reasonable. knicks have a good record with late picks so that second rounder is a lot more valuable in our eyes then it may be to minny.

Two high picks in the 30's is more valuable than a #1 2013(restricted obviously) or whatever and less of a deterrent to do a deal. I like Enes Kanter as the best player in the draft--after that the guys picked between 20-35 are going to be the same as picking 3-15.

Finestrg wrote:It's a shame it's come to this -- I like Randolph a lot and I think he could've been helping this team all along..If it were up to me he would've been playing and very much a part of this rotation (I would've made it a point to instill a sense of trust & confidence in him that he obviously needs--I personally think that could be a big key with him) or at least he would've been given the same chance to succeed as Mozgov..I don't care what anyone says -- he was never given that opportunity and it's a crying shame because he's infinitely more talented than Moz... It's crazy to think that we need another big in the worst way, have for some time now in fact, and this kid was never given an opportunity to seize that role and grow with it (a 'real' opportunity mind you, not this quick look & dismissal MDA's given him ).

Moving on, if Minny's really interested in AR, there's no way I'm giving him up for Sebastian Telfair..His price tag has gotta be higher than that..I'm not even interested in Telfair (I actually think TD is playing a little better lately to be honest). A player I would be willing to take a chance on however is Kosta Koufos..As young as Randolph, this dude's a legit NBA C (7'1") with a good overall skillset..He's not getting substantial PT at all for whatever reason, currently behind Darko and Nikola Pekovic. I think he could operate well in this system -- he's a very good shooter for a guy that big with superior range, touch & form and while not necessarily known for rebounding, blocking shots or playing overly physical I think he could contribute in these areas as well if given enough playing time each game..Forget Telfair -- not interested in giving up AR for a troubled individual who would only amount to a rest-of-the-season rental, not to mention a guy who can't even crack the T-Wolves' rotation at the moment..Pass...Instead, how 'bout AR for Koufos or Koufos and their 2011 2nd rounder?? I think that's fair..At least we come out of it with a legit NBA center with considerable skill and youth. I think this guy could be the player they envisioned Mozgov to be..

As far as the draft, it's super early but two players that intrigue me for the Knicks are 6'10" PF Trey Thompkins (has an effective inside/outside game, something in between a PJ Brown/David West/slightly shorter LeMarcus Aldridge maybe) and 6'3" PG Demetri McCamey (not overly athletic or a blow-by type but he's smart & smooth with a good handle, a great passer--NCAA's top assist man in fact two years in a row now [surprising considering that Illinois club has lacked true offensive firepower of any kind recently], and he's a very good outside shooter. Clutch too..Randy Foye with more PG ability; maybe something closer to Chauncey Billups eventually (ceiling)..

Pick 20 or so: 6'10" PF Trey Thompkins, Georgia -- might go a little higher--his play's a little down from last season but if he starts playing bigger from here on in, it could warrant moving up a couple of slots to get him.

Early 30s Minnesota 2nd rounder: 6'3" PG Demetri McCamey, Illinois--same as TT, McCamey could go higher -- if he closes out the year strong (he's really been solid so far), maybe we move up a little to get him..He could give us that savvy passer we currently lack off the bench behind Felton. His stellar outside shooting would work nicely in this system as well (he's hitting his 3s at a 49.2% clip so far this year ).

2 "safe" type picks that fill needs..Sometimes that's the way to go..

TD is playing better than Bassy. I'm not against trading AR. But trading a talented big man for a small, unremarkable guard doesn't excite me. There are tons of Sebastian Telfairs out there and I'm sure we can pick one up from the D-League without trading anyone.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Kahn is trying to steal from the Knicks henhouse/doghouse again. Hopefully Walsh doesn't deal with him.

Again? You mean Darko?

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Kahn is trying to steal from the Knicks henhouse/doghouse again. Hopefully Walsh doesn't deal with him.

Again? You mean Darko?

Darko for Cardinal was a steal. Before getting hurt Darko was written up as a darkhorse for most improved player and he is leading the league in blocks. Walsh traded Q for Darko. Q was an expiring contract as well as Darko and had value to the Knicks but Walsh thought Darko could fill a need. Darko went to Minny as a 24 year old seven footer. He has done well there and was steal. You can debate the logic of signing him to his new contract but you can't debate taking a chance on a #2 overall pick in a draft that is only 24 and was banished to the bench by his coach and getting him for Brian Cardinal.

There is no doubt in my mind that Darko has talent. But his motivation and heart and all of those things that separate good from bad players is exactly what he has not displayed.

Get back to me when Darko does anything worthwhile on the court and for his team.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3705/gamelog;_ylt=AsoN_mhGa56CUl.dd9EyX5_KPKB4

Sangfroid wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Tell me! What is so special about Rubio. Can he hit the 3 ?? Tell me please. Maybe I am missing something about this kid. I know he is flashy but he will be coming to the NBA.

He's a young Pistol Pete, are you serious? The guy can dish the rock and run and gun.

Sorry Blob, you've been mesmerized by Youtube. Rubio is a turnover prone, non shooting PG. He may evolve into a slow footed Rondo, but he is surely no savior. Please stop using The Pistol's name in vain

you maybe right, but he still would be a nice back up