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Killa4luv
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12/29/2010  11:00 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Wilson Chandler fits in well here. He's very close 2 a 20 point scorer and a guy who can rip down close to 10 rebounds a night while giving you good defense. I think by far he has the best jumpshot on this team and besides Amare the only other mid range shooter we have. He can score in a variety of ways. Allan Houston did not have a superior handle--but good enough--Wilson's handle at 6-8 is good enough and hes young enough to continue to improve it. Wilson is easily one of the most under rated players in the NBA. He fits in well here. I look at Wilson as a guy who is a better version of Allan Houston at the same stage in their careers. That is why you have to be careful making decisions on 22-23 yo kids who produce like this. Hes not at his peak yet hes already close 2 a 20 point guy shooting close to 50%

I agree for the most part. The difference with him and Allan Houston, Allan was a pure shooter. A specialist. He had one weapon, and he played in JVGs stagnant ISO offense and was able to average 20ppg getting the ball in ISO and taking a shot. Thats a remarkable feat when you consider Allans limitations. Wilson Chandler is a scorer, he shoots well, slashes and finishes. He's also 6-8.

He does fit well here because of what he brings to the table and he's consistent.

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12/29/2010  11:03 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Wilson Chandler fits in well here. He's very close 2 a 20 point scorer and a guy who can rip down close to 10 rebounds a night while giving you good defense. I think by far he has the best jumpshot on this team and besides Amare the only other mid range shooter we have. He can score in a variety of ways. Allan Houston did not have a superior handle--but good enough--Wilson's handle at 6-8 is good enough and hes young enough to continue to improve it. Wilson is easily one of the most under rated players in the NBA. He fits in well here. I look at Wilson as a guy who is a better version of Allan Houston at the same stage in their careers. That is why you have to be careful making decisions on 22-23 yo kids who produce like this. Hes not at his peak yet hes already close 2 a 20 point guy shooting close to 50%

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I agree! He is also not well respected on this forum. He always is in control with his emotions. He don't get penalty calls for outbursts from the refs.

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12/29/2010  12:25 PM
The Knicks are either going to pay him or Carmelo..not both.

That is why you don't offer Denver more than Wilson bc they would retain his rights as a restricted free agent.
We could either re-sign Chandler ourselves next season or sign & trade him to someone else. Denver will not get a more talented player in return from any other team.

Keep TD & Randolph for other deals that will get us a starting Center and a back-up PG.

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12/29/2010  2:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2010  2:55 PM
TLover wrote:The Knicks are either going to pay him or Carmelo..not both.

That is why you don't offer Denver more than Wilson bc they would retain his rights as a restricted free agent.
We could either re-sign Chandler ourselves next season or sign & trade him to someone else. Denver will not get a more talented player in return from any other team.

Keep TD & Randolph for other deals that will get us a starting Center and a back-up PG.

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You better trade Gallo and keep Chandler because next to Amare and felton Chandler is the best player that the Knicks have. Remember with Chandler we have birds rights.

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12/29/2010  3:13 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Wilson Chandler fits in well here. He's very close 2 a 20 point scorer and a guy who can rip down close to 10 rebounds a night while giving you good defense. I think by far he has the best jumpshot on this team and besides Amare the only other mid range shooter we have. He can score in a variety of ways. Allan Houston did not have a superior handle--but good enough--Wilson's handle at 6-8 is good enough and hes young enough to continue to improve it. Wilson is easily one of the most under rated players in the NBA. He fits in well here. I look at Wilson as a guy who is a better version of Allan Houston at the same stage in their careers. That is why you have to be careful making decisions on 22-23 yo kids who produce like this. Hes not at his peak yet hes already close 2 a 20 point guy shooting close to 50%
the biggest thing about Chandler is the year by year improvements he makes. This was the first non surgery healthy off season and he's clearly a better player after having a summer to work on his game. He's an elite althete, he's tough and he continues to get better and add weapons to his skill set. I would say his value is also very high.

I'm willing to trade Chandler if I can get a bigman like OK4 that I see playing next to Amare for the next 4-5 years.

I dont know what will happen with the CBA, lockout, etc but some team is going to pay Chandler, and they will probably give him $8(ish) a year to start. Maybe 5 years $50mm, something close to what Tyrus Thomas got, and he's worth it. I have no problem at all with keeping him for that money either. He's a good player, he should be paid like a good player.

I either want good value for Chandler now like OK4 or I want to resign him. He can play the 2, 3 or 4. He fills a lot of roles and needs. This is a good building block player.

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12/29/2010  3:30 PM
You people talk about his offensive skills but what makes him better than Gallo or Fields is his defense especially one on one.
He's the primary guy defending the SG, SF or even PF from the opposition. Chandler i think is the best defensive player on the Knicks.

Amare comes off the weak side or fast break but not a good one on one defender. Thats why i would not trade him..

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12/29/2010  3:31 PM
Papabear wrote:
tkf wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:i don't think Wilson has a good enough handle to create shots for himself consistently & become a featured player in this offense... he needs to play more of the Shawn Marion 3rd player type role if anything, getting his points hitting spot up J's, finishing on the break, getting putbacks, alley oop dunks off back door cuts, etc... he also needs to get to the FT line a lot more than he's been doing if he wants to be the 2nd go to guy next to Amare.

That has been Chandler's issue for 3 seasons now. His limited handle limits what he can do in a 1 on 1 situation.


pretty simple to see that.. and honestly, he is much better when he is getting the ball and he doesn't have to make many other decisions.. his handle and inability to finish or use his left limits him..

I am suprised to hear anyone say he is better than gallo.. gallo can really get where he wants to on the court... his first basket of the night was on a dunk going left by leberon... now I know gallo isn't faster than lebron, but how is it that he can beat a lot of guys smaller andquicker than him.. Honestly I would like to see him get more touches.. and for those that keep talking about him and his midrange game.. look at that midranges shot he hit off the dribble tonight.. the kid has a complete game.. knicks need to stop making him a 4th option..

what is best for the knicks is to get a SG like OJ mayo, so he can also run some backup point.. and a big who can start.. fields and chandler off the bench would be great and at this point.. for the knicks..

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We must not be watching the same Wilson Chandler. He is playing better that Gallo and Fields Hands down. I don't like Gallo's disappearing act in some quarters. Chandler will be an Allstar. Not a Wade or Lebrons level yet but in a year he will come close.

we must be watching different games... Allstar forwards should be able to beat guys off the dribble who are much bigger facing up... chandler can't do that.. nor can he go left...

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12/29/2010  3:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2010  3:37 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Wilson Chandler fits in well here. He's very close 2 a 20 point scorer and a guy who can rip down close to 10 rebounds a night while giving you good defense. I think by far he has the best jumpshot on this team and besides Amare the only other mid range shooter we have. He can score in a variety of ways. Allan Houston did not have a superior handle--but good enough--Wilson's handle at 6-8 is good enough and hes young enough to continue to improve it. Wilson is easily one of the most under rated players in the NBA. He fits in well here. I look at Wilson as a guy who is a better version of Allan Houston at the same stage in their careers. That is why you have to be careful making decisions on 22-23 yo kids who produce like this. Hes not at his peak yet hes already close 2 a 20 point guy shooting close to 50%

come on briggs... chandler gets plenty of shots and touches, he should be a 20ppg scorer and he is not.. he is also a tweener on defense and in the worst way. can't guard mobile bigs or wing players for that matter.. He is good going against bigger and slower forwards... classic example, he put the ball on the floor and bosh pretty much ripped him on the first dribble. chandler got lucky to recover the ball and throw up a shot that went in. He is not a complete enough offensive player to get that many touches. set him up, let him go against bigger and slower defenders to the hoop, but putting the ball in his hands on a consistent basis to create is absolutely ridiculous.... he just isn't that type of player.. yes his jumper has gotten a lot better, so lets let him roam the baseline and the perimeter.. move the ball and find him open.. having him up at the elbow is not wha this offense needs...

I look at Wilson as a guy who is a better version of Allan Houston at the same stage in their careers

not to be a dick here briggs. .but haven't you learned your lesson with Anthony randolph and the crazy comparisons..

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12/29/2010  3:40 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:Wilson Chandler fits in well here. He's very close 2 a 20 point scorer and a guy who can rip down close to 10 rebounds a night while giving you good defense. I think by far he has the best jumpshot on this team and besides Amare the only other mid range shooter we have. He can score in a variety of ways. Allan Houston did not have a superior handle--but good enough--Wilson's handle at 6-8 is good enough and hes young enough to continue to improve it. Wilson is easily one of the most under rated players in the NBA. He fits in well here. I look at Wilson as a guy who is a better version of Allan Houston at the same stage in their careers. That is why you have to be careful making decisions on 22-23 yo kids who produce like this. Hes not at his peak yet hes already close 2 a 20 point guy shooting close to 50%

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I agree! He is also not well respected on this forum. He always is in control with his emotions. He don't get penalty calls for outbursts from the refs.

you could put nick young in chandlers spot and he would drop 20ppg with his eyes closed... knicks need a big man to start and a SG who can actually do a variety of things.. Like pass and defend wing players.... chandler off the bench is fine, but if he is our 3rd option knicks will not take that next step...

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12/29/2010  3:42 PM
WOODMANnYk wrote:You people talk about his offensive skills but what makes him better than Gallo or Fields is his defense especially one on one.
He's the primary guy defending the SG, SF or even PF from the opposition. Chandler i think is the best defensive player on the Knicks.

Amare comes off the weak side or fast break but not a good one on one defender. Thats why i would not trade him..

did you watch last nights game.. bosh and wade took turns on him.. it almost got X rated... not sure if you are being serious with that comment...

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12/29/2010  3:56 PM
tkf wrote:
WOODMANnYk wrote:You people talk about his offensive skills but what makes him better than Gallo or Fields is his defense especially one on one.
He's the primary guy defending the SG, SF or even PF from the opposition. Chandler i think is the best defensive player on the Knicks.

Amare comes off the weak side or fast break but not a good one on one defender. Thats why i would not trade him..

did you watch last nights game.. bosh and wade took turns on him.. it almost got X rated... not sure if you are being serious with that comment...

You talking about 2 of the very best out there. They do that to everyone. Even though they took turns on him, he still scored 21 pts, 6 reb and had foul trouble. Did you see what they did to Artest and Gasol on christmas??

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12/29/2010  3:57 PM
tkf wrote:
Papabear wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Wilson Chandler fits in well here. He's very close 2 a 20 point scorer and a guy who can rip down close to 10 rebounds a night while giving you good defense. I think by far he has the best jumpshot on this team and besides Amare the only other mid range shooter we have. He can score in a variety of ways. Allan Houston did not have a superior handle--but good enough--Wilson's handle at 6-8 is good enough and hes young enough to continue to improve it. Wilson is easily one of the most under rated players in the NBA. He fits in well here. I look at Wilson as a guy who is a better version of Allan Houston at the same stage in their careers. That is why you have to be careful making decisions on 22-23 yo kids who produce like this. Hes not at his peak yet hes already close 2 a 20 point guy shooting close to 50%

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I agree! He is also not well respected on this forum. He always is in control with his emotions. He don't get penalty calls for outbursts from the refs.

you could put nick young in chandlers spot and he would drop 20ppg with his eyes closed... knicks need a big man to start and a SG who can actually do a variety of things.. Like pass and defend wing players.... chandler off the bench is fine, but if he is our 3rd option knicks will not take that next step...

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Man you are in dream land.

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12/29/2010  3:58 PM
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tkf wrote:
WOODMANnYk wrote:You people talk about his offensive skills but what makes him better than Gallo or Fields is his defense especially one on one.
He's the primary guy defending the SG, SF or even PF from the opposition. Chandler i think is the best defensive player on the Knicks.

Amare comes off the weak side or fast break but not a good one on one defender. Thats why i would not trade him..

did you watch last nights game.. bosh and wade took turns on him.. it almost got X rated... not sure if you are being serious with that comment...

You talking about 2 of the very best out there. They do that to everyone. Even though they took turns on him, he still scored 21 pts, 6 reb and had foul trouble. Did you see what they did to Artest and Gasol on christmas??

THIS is not the only instance.. chandler just can't guard wings or mobile bigs.. Bargnani kills him as well...

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12/29/2010  4:00 PM
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tkf wrote:
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BRIGGS wrote:Wilson Chandler fits in well here. He's very close 2 a 20 point scorer and a guy who can rip down close to 10 rebounds a night while giving you good defense. I think by far he has the best jumpshot on this team and besides Amare the only other mid range shooter we have. He can score in a variety of ways. Allan Houston did not have a superior handle--but good enough--Wilson's handle at 6-8 is good enough and hes young enough to continue to improve it. Wilson is easily one of the most under rated players in the NBA. He fits in well here. I look at Wilson as a guy who is a better version of Allan Houston at the same stage in their careers. That is why you have to be careful making decisions on 22-23 yo kids who produce like this. Hes not at his peak yet hes already close 2 a 20 point guy shooting close to 50%

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I agree! He is also not well respected on this forum. He always is in control with his emotions. He don't get penalty calls for outbursts from the refs.

you could put nick young in chandlers spot and he would drop 20ppg with his eyes closed... knicks need a big man to start and a SG who can actually do a variety of things.. Like pass and defend wing players.... chandler off the bench is fine, but if he is our 3rd option knicks will not take that next step...

Papabear Says

Man you are in dream land.

I only came there to pull you out and back into reality...

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12/29/2010  4:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2010  4:04 PM
tkf wrote:
WOODMANnYk wrote:You people talk about his offensive skills but what makes him better than Gallo or Fields is his defense especially one on one.
He's the primary guy defending the SG, SF or even PF from the opposition. Chandler i think is the best defensive player on the Knicks.

Amare comes off the weak side or fast break but not a good one on one defender. Thats why i would not trade him..

did you watch last nights game.. bosh and wade took turns on him.. it almost got X rated... not sure if you are being serious with that comment...

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If you have something against Chandler thats your problem. Who so far in this league have been able to contain James and Wade? They are the best of the best. Chandler will be an allstar watch and see.

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12/29/2010  4:08 PM
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tkf wrote:
WOODMANnYk wrote:You people talk about his offensive skills but what makes him better than Gallo or Fields is his defense especially one on one.
He's the primary guy defending the SG, SF or even PF from the opposition. Chandler i think is the best defensive player on the Knicks.

Amare comes off the weak side or fast break but not a good one on one defender. Thats why i would not trade him..

did you watch last nights game.. bosh and wade took turns on him.. it almost got X rated... not sure if you are being serious with that comment...

Papabear Says

If you have something against Chandler thats your problem. Who so far in this league have been able to contain James and Wade? They are the best of the best. Chandler will be an allstar watch and see.

I don't have a problem with chandler, just the overblown views.. he is a fine player, but some of the comments are a bit overboard...

As far as the allstar comment, I will wait.. watch.. and see... and when it doesn't happen will be sure to remind you...

just remember, in the east who he will have to beat out for an allstar birth.. it won't happen my friend...

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12/29/2010  4:16 PM
Wilson Chandler is a great addition to this team. The worst case scenario is that he becomes Luol Deng..a good player..making a GREAT salary.

The best case is we can sign him for good value.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Wilson Chandler is a great addition to this team. The worst case scenario is that he becomes Luol Deng..a good player..making a GREAT salary.

The best case is we can sign him for good value.

i think Wilson's just as good if not better than Luol Deng already... just dunno if he can ever become a go to guy on this team... u also need to have the opportunity & right now the shots are being distributed to a variety of guys w/the primary focus being put on Amare in the PnR... Wilson needs to develop his handle more & become more consistent w/his J... if he can manage to do those things, he'll get more plays called for him & he'll be able to get to the FT line more as a result... adding 2 or 3 more shot attempts per game along w/3 or 4 more FT shot attempts will enable him to take that next step towards becoming a viable go to guy.

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12/29/2010  4:37 PM
Chandler's a really nice 3rd piece, not a 2nd. I think the last few games have proven we cant go with this small ass lineup though. So he would have to play on the perimeter, not in the post.
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12/29/2010  4:41 PM
There's only a handful of superstars in the league. I wouldn't put melo or iggy on that list. Melo is just a notch under.
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