CrushAlot wrote:

VDesai wrote:Murphy is a really great rebounder. We'd be a lot better with him. Nets are basically wasting the guy. If we could get him on the cheap this year that would really improve our team, even if he's not a defensive monster. His shooting would fit right in, and man he'd help on the boards quite a bit.

If I am Billy King I try to move Rod Thorns mulligan, Travis Outlaw, with Murphy.

I'm sure they'd do Murphy and Outlaw for Curry, Randolph and Azuibuike....but I'd pass.

We can go small and uptempo but we are starting with a big physical frontcourt. OK4 is an elite shot blocker and rebounder. He's a good finisher, has a solid jumper and doesnt need the ball. Iggy is a GREAT ball mover and despite a suspect jumper I think he would be a great fit. Fields can come off the bench for any starter except Felton. We would have a frontline big and physical enough to match up with every other team out there.

fishmike wrote:OK4 and Iggy. I think Iggy can be had with expiring contracts and N.O. would have interest in Chandler as a guy who can really score and finish to pair with Chris Paul. I would hate to lose Chandler but I think he's an attractive piece for a cash strapped team like NO.
Azu, Turiaf and Chandler for OK4
AR + Curry for Iggy
This is a much bigger, deeper team:
PG Felton
SG Iggy
SF Gallo
PF Amare
C OK4
bench: Fields, Douglas, Williams

We can go small and uptempo but we are starting with a big physical frontcourt. OK4 is an elite shot blocker and rebounder. He's a good finisher, has a solid jumper and doesnt need the ball. Iggy is a GREAT ball mover and despite a suspect jumper I think he would be a great fit. Fields can come off the bench for any starter except Felton. We would have a frontline big and physical enough to match up with every other team out there.

If we could add OK4 for Azu, Turiaf and WC I would be elated. That move alone would be a tremendous upgrade to our roster if we didn't make one other move.

kingofelpaso wrote:http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20101229#STORY_30335

I know Randolph's trade value has been diminished because of his lack of playing time, but you think Washington would do McGee for Randolph + 3 million in cash?

The numbers works, its just a matter of whether Washington would do it.

McGee would be perfect next to Amare.

I think either McGee or OK4 would be a great addition to the front court. As we saw last night we definitely need to beef it up, Big Z killed us in the 1st quarter. Long term, if we can add either one of those players for some combo of WC, AR and Turiaf we would upgrade ourselves for this year and hopefully add Melo next year as a FA. Right now I am praying Dallas offers enough to trade for him as a short term rental this year so we do not have to give up the farm to sign him next year.

purple012870 wrote:Mark me down as somebody who doesn't believe the Knicks are better off w/ Melo (esp if it costs young assets). I kind of hope he is dealt to NJ and extends. If that occurs, the Knicks can turn their attention to using Curry's contract as a trade asset.

I mentioned a Curry/Mosgov/Randolph for Kaman/Jordan trade yday. Kaman is on the hook for this year and next and making a deal like this requires us to close the door on Melo. But I also think it makes us better than if we traded Chandler/Fields or Gallo/Fields for Melo.

Since its being reported that Jevale McGee is being shopped, here's another deal that jumps out at me.

Washington deals McGee/Hinrich who have this year plus next at 1.6mm and 9.0mm repectively.

Washington dumps a guy that appareently doesn't get along w Blatche and they've had enough of intra-roster conflicts. And they dump 9mm of of next years salary obligation.

NY deals Curry/Randolph/Mozgov.

Knicks finally get value out of Curry. Randolph is all potential, no production - and shows no signs of getting an opportunity here. Mozgov gives them a young center, albeit one who is lower on the learning curve that McGee. McGee gives Knicks huge, skilled front line. And Hinrich is a perfect combo guard who will defend. Also will be a trade asset 14 months from now.

Then w/ Mozgov and Azubuike off the payroll next summer, the Knicks can sign Chandler to a 8mm per deal.

Leaves the following allocation in terms of minutes:

PG: Felton 33, Hinrich 15
SG: Fields 25, Douglas 15, Hinrich 8
SF: Gallo 30, Chandler 10, Williams 8
PF: Amare 28, Chandler 20
C: McGee 26, Turiaf 12, Amare 10

don't mind Hinrich at all - and would LOVE to grab McGee - but I think Washington traded for Kirk to be a 2nd wheel behind Wall/Young and to help them mature. Perhaps you would need to TD to the mix but still not sure Washington would do it.

Would do either the LAC or WAS deals.

fishmike wrote:OK4 is owed $53mm over the next 4 years. Thats a lot of dough for a non all star on a team just over .500 with financial problems. I think NO would have interest in Chandler at the 4, move West to the 5 and surround CP3 with scorers and guys who can finish, much like the kind of team the Knicks have right now. I think Chandler has good value in that kind of system. Azu, Turiaf and Chandler is very close to working cap wise. If not we could include Roger Mason JR. Turiaf gives them some size and shot blocking while the Knicks get the true defensive/rebounding/shotblocking rugged center they covet to put next to Amare for the next 5 years.

I think thats very reasonable and feasable.

After you make that trade you get the best package you can get for Curry's expiring contract and AR. If thats Iggy then awesome.

Felton
Fields
Iggy
Amare
Okafor

Bench: Gallo, TD, etc.

Not a bad looking squad. Only issue is with that lineup there's no stretch 4 and Iggy is not exactly lights out from downtown. Though maybe on the Knicks he gets better at shooting from outside. That's the main thing that bothers me about Iggy. Like a lot of other stars..they don't get better at shooting the 3 but they continue to either take the same amount..or more without getting better at it.

Josh Smith was like that but then had a career year last season doing what he does best (rebounding, blocking shots, dunking) and doing less of what he sucks at (3s).

He has vastly improved both his shot selection and 3 pt stroke this season. So I have no problem with him shooting more 3s if it looks like he's put in the work to get better.

Also why I have no problem with Chandler shooting so many 3s this season.

Rookie season from 3 for Chandler: 0.9 attempts 30%
Soph: 3.8 attempts 32.8%
Last season 2.3 attempts 27% YUCK

This season 4.9 attempts 37% Improvement.

Do you remember the thread where we guessed whether MDA would continue to start Chandler or Turiaf when he returned from his injury. You didn't make a guess. But the guys that picked Turiaf were in the majority, and were proved wrong. That confirms to me that Mike wants all of his players to be good passers, and good shooters so they can spread the floor efficiently. Btw, Okafor is ranked 18th by Hollinger among centers, as opposed to Nene at #4. Not saying Nene is perfect, but it is hard to find a center that meets Mike's requirements.

Gadzuric, Nazr, Etan, Krstic, oft-injured Pryzbilla????

C'mon man.

Killa4luv wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Mozgov is better than most of those guys on that list right now.

Gadzuric, Nazr, Etan, Krstic, oft-injured Pryzbilla????

C'mon man.

I would love to know what you are basing this on. Nazr has played near all star level. Nenad is one of the most skilled big men in the league.

ON another note, what would it take to get MCgee from Washington?

AR + SHawne Williams for McGee + Armstrong?

Wait...what are YOU basing this on? These guys have not been relevant in years.

fishmike wrote:

rvwink wrote:Fishmike,
I don't think Okafor is the right fit for MDA. The pluses are interior defense and rebounding. Yes both of those are very important. The negative areas are his very low assist ratio of .4, which seems to imply that he is not going to be a great passer. Second, his salary is very high relative to his production. Third, his foul shooting average is 55% or so and his shooting range is 13 feet and apparently he isn't deadly even from there. In short, if Okafor is playing, I am concerned about whether the paint won't be too crowded to allow Amare to run pick and rolls in the paint. MDA is looking for a center who can shoot from the outside better than Okafor can.

Do you remember the thread where we guessed whether MDA would continue to start Chandler or Turiaf when he returned from his injury. You didn't make a guess. But the guys that picked Turiaf were in the majority, and were proved wrong. That confirms to me that Mike wants all of his players to be good passers, and good shooters so they can spread the floor efficiently. Btw, Okafor is ranked 18th by Hollinger among centers, as opposed to Nene at #4. Not saying Nene is perfect, but it is hard to find a center that meets Mike's requirements.

thats a good analysis. Someone actually put thought into a response instead of saying we just need Melo.

I would agree with all those things, but how would you evaluate Turiaf? Limited range, average to poor rebounder, but he's got size in the post and look how much better we are when he's playing and healthy.

MDA played Steven Hunter a lot one year as his main bench big and the guy had zero BB IQ. Just size and hustle.

We have a lot of heady players. We can fit in a guy who brings what OK4 brings... I have no doubt. What I like about him is his skills compliment our core guys and make them better

The cost is the main reason I'm hesitant on Okafor. He's a solid player, but he relies a lot on his athleticism, kinda like Ben Wallace. The last few years of his deal won't be pretty and it's not like he would immediately put us over the top for title contention.