rvwink wrote:Hollingers NBA Players Statistics was created to evaluate the efficiency of players by position. I can't say it is super accurate, but if one guy was number 4 on the list and another was number 37, I think number 4 might be clearly the better player. So here is what Holliger's statistics show. Amare is number 4 at power forward behind Dirk Nowitzky, Kevin Love and Pau Gasol who are 1 through 3. Carl Landry is number 39 and Reggie Evans is 47. What about Nene? He is the number 4 center in the league according to Hollinger. (Howard, Horford and Duncan are the top three and O'Neil, Noah and Bogut follow in 5 through 8.

You need to consider a lot of factors other than rebounding to evaluate a players value. Here's a link in case you are interested.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=c&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fposition%3dc

i'm not only considering rebounding, i'm considering their career averages across the board to formulate my opinion while you're cherry picking PER ratings from this season only to try & prove yours... Nene is 12 & 7 over his career while Landry is 12 & 5 over his, meanwhile Landry has been able to put up those #'s in a reserve role off the bench in 5 less minutes played per game... for $11.6M worth of cap for next season, i'm looking for a player who has demonstrated more consistency & production over his career than a guy like Nene... i think for that amount of money we could do better, & most definitely would NOT be willing to sacrifice any chance of getting Carmelo Anthony for a career 12 & 7 guy, i'm sorry.

rvwink wrote:Amare is an All Star. Raymond Felton is close, Nene is close, Chandler is close, Gallo is still only in his second year of playing and also should be at least close. Fields is an incredibly valuable piece, because his salary is low, and his ability is very high. The addition of another rebounder and defensive stopper, who can shoot from the outside and keep up with the rest of the team, would make us substantially better than what we are now.

We would stay an unselfish team and all of the favorable chemistry we have now would continue. Melo may be able to change his behavior and become unselfish, or he may not. Most think he is a slam dunk, because he is part of the magic formula. I don't think the formula always works however. I think what we have now is extraordinary and want to tweak it, instead of dramatically changing it.

you're preaching to the choir when it comes to talking about the value of our young guys, i like them all... but the problem lies when you're relying on Amare to basically carry the team with largely unproven young players around him, especially when it comes to playoff basketball where inexperienced young guys regularly get exposed... adding someone like Nene to that formula is not going to produce the miraculous results you're looking for... to get the type of impact you saw when Amare got here, you will need to add another star... otherwise you're looking at multiple years of waiting for guys to reach their full potential & even then you don't even know if you're going to get a player of Melo's ability to change a game... again, i keep reiterating i don't want us to dump all of our young guys to get Melo here, but trading 2 of the 3 isn't an unreasonable price to pay... you're talking about a player who pretty much carried his teams to the playoffs every year he's been in the league... that's not easy to do especially for a perimeter player... role players can be found using the exceptions at our disposal after a trade is made... it's almost impossible to find star players ever w/o drafting them yourself, & right now are you confident that Wilson or Gallo will ever be star players? i know for sure Nene isn't one.

can Gallo follow Dirk Nowitzki's career path & turn himself into a superstar player? maybe the potential might be there, but not if he's playing in a supplementary role like the one he's playing now... Dirk was putting up 22 ppg at the same age that Gallo is now... i don't see the same type of upside in Gallo to reach that level, either in his talent or his opportunity to become that type of featured player on this team.

i think you cover your bases well if you can hold onto 1 of the 3 young guys we have, especially if that young player is Landry Fields... that gives u the best of both worlds... a ready made superstar to add to the roster & a homegrown young guy to develop for your future... as for breaking up the chemistry on this team, i have little doubt that Amare & Melo could form just as good a chemistry together as Lebron & Wade have been able to do after their adjustment period... that's why ideally i'd want to hold onto Fields over Wilson or Gallo, because i think his game is a lot easier to assimilate around 2 big stars... he gets most of his points off put backs & hustle plays so he's a perfect fit in a supporting role, & he's a terrific rebounder & solid defensive player.

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

rvwink wrote:Amare is an All Star. Raymond Felton is close, Nene is close, Chandler is close, Gallo is still only in his second year of playing and also should be at least close. Fields is an incredibly valuable piece, because his salary is low, and his ability is very high. The addition of another rebounder and defensive stopper, who can shoot from the outside and keep up with the rest of the team, would make us substantially better than what we are now.

We would stay an unselfish team and all of the favorable chemistry we have now would continue. Melo may be able to change his behavior and become unselfish, or he may not. Most think he is a slam dunk, because he is part of the magic formula. I don't think the formula always works however. I think what we have now is extraordinary and want to tweak it, instead of dramatically changing it.

--->you're preaching to the choir when it comes to talking about the value of our young guys, i like them all... but the problem lies when you're relying on Amare to basically carry the team with largely unproven young players around him,

The Knicks scored 103 yesterday Amare scored 20 of them. In the 4th Q Wilson Chandler was the go to scorer and looked like he could score st will. Gallo cam on during the game to hit some timely threes and Landry Fields made several big plays. Do you have to score 50 points to become proven?
We must have had 30 assist by accident + the 9 games we won in a row were on playstation.

the part about the playoffs, which you conveniently left out of your reply, was the main point i was trying to make... the playoffs are a different beast than regular season games... a self appointed "expert" on the game like yourself should be aware of this.

why the F do u think so many of us are even talking about Melo right now? not because we think we need him to win a few more regular season games, but because we view him as the piece to take us over the top against the top teams in the NBA in a playoff series.

but hey, what do i know... let's trade away half our roster & get Hassan Whiteside otherwise we won't win a championship... isn't that what you were preaching to everyone last year? ok.

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

rvwink wrote:Amare is an All Star. Raymond Felton is close, Nene is close, Chandler is close, Gallo is still only in his second year of playing and also should be at least close. Fields is an incredibly valuable piece, because his salary is low, and his ability is very high. The addition of another rebounder and defensive stopper, who can shoot from the outside and keep up with the rest of the team, would make us substantially better than what we are now.

We would stay an unselfish team and all of the favorable chemistry we have now would continue. Melo may be able to change his behavior and become unselfish, or he may not. Most think he is a slam dunk, because he is part of the magic formula. I don't think the formula always works however. I think what we have now is extraordinary and want to tweak it, instead of dramatically changing it.

--->you're preaching to the choir when it comes to talking about the value of our young guys, i like them all... but the problem lies when you're relying on Amare to basically carry the team with largely unproven young players around him,

The Knicks scored 103 yesterday Amare scored 20 of them. In the 4th Q Wilson Chandler was the go to scorer and looked like he could score st will. Gallo cam on during the game to hit some timely threes and Landry Fields made several big plays. Do you have to score 50 points to become proven?
We must have had 30 assist by accident + the 9 games we won in a row were on playstation.

the part about the playoffs, which you conveniently left out of your reply, was the main point i was trying to make... the playoffs are a different beast than regular season games... a self appointed "expert" on the game like yourself should be aware of this.

why the F do u think so many of us are even talking about Melo right now? not because we think we need him to win a few more regular season games, but because we view him as the piece to take us over the top against the top teams in the NBA in a playoff series.

but hey, what do i know... let's trade away half our roster & get Hassan Whiteside otherwise we won't win a championship... isn't that what you were preaching to everyone last year? ok.

I think less and less people want melo and see what this club is and what he may need coming from the bench.

i think DW is gonna make the decision he deems is in the Knicks' best interests, regardless of what you, me or anyone else posting on a message board thinks... i'm fine w/whatever decision he makes.