Papabear wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Solace wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Solace wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't think anyone here wants to trade Landry Fields.

+1. I don't know why this keeps coming up. It was pretty much unanimous.

Thats excatly why we have no chance at trading for melo--but I could care less. I hope Melo goes to the Nets.

Which is fine. We should only make trades that improve the team, not destroy it. If we have to destroy the current team, then pass. Agree?

1000% agree. Keep Gallo and Fields no matter what.

Offer Chandler, AR, Turiaf, Curry's expiring, Walker or Buke, $3mil for Melo and say "Take it or Leave it Muffah". If they want us to take Nene, too, thats fine. I don't really care if we fail to get Melo, but he'd be a nice upgrade at SF. Gutting the core to do it is plain stupid and unnecessary.

Facts (as I see it):

1. Melo wants The Garden, the legacy, the scratch from Madison Ave, and the fame
2. We don't owe the Nuggets diddley
3. We want to compete for the next five years for a chip, starting next season
4. His mama din't raise no foo: Melo wants what we want, to win. He knows NYC will give him everything else. No reason for him to douche down and act like he's bigger than the game (i.e., "Witness" ad in Cleveland from LeCon).
5. If he will accept playing out the year in Denver, and tell them Knicks or I walk, they will deal for our package. Something is better than nothing.

Turiaf, Buke and Curry are expirings, AR has big upside and on a rebuilding team he gets burn. Chandler is a great player just out of his rookie deal (we might have to S&T him so they get him locked up - can we do that?).

Papabear Says

Why give up Chandler? Chandler may refuse to sign. Chandler is going to be an allstar. Gallo is not as good a Chandler. We need to stop fooling ourselves. We should not give up Fields , Gallo, or Chandler. We will need these pieces to compete for a championship.

I agree that Chandler is a better player, but if the idea is to get Melo, then Gallo complements Melo better than Chandler. Unless I am mistaken, Chandler will be a restricted FA next year, so if we trade him to Denver, Denver can match any offer he gets. So they are pretty much guaranteed to keep him if they are willing to pay. I would keep Gallo and Fields at all costs. If Denver does not want him, I would trade Anthony Randolph for a 1st round pick and then package Curry, Chandler, Douglas, 1st round pick, and second round pick, and $3 mill to Denver for Melo. That is a much better deal than what Toronto and Clevland got for Lebron and Bosh, as Chandler has the potential to be a borderline All-star if he takes his game up one more level. Denver than then trade Billups for another good player and they would have a team of Lawson, J.R. Smith, Chandler, Kenyon Martin, and Nene. That is a pretty solid team. Plus, they will have some extra draft picks, and can sign a FA once Martin comes off the books.

holfresh wrote:Amare and Felton are in there prime now...This isn't the time to wait until we see what the rooks have in another 3 or 4 years...Amare or Felton goes down, Knicks are back to winning 25/30 games again with Fields/Gallo/Chandler..They are complimentary players that can be replaced...Amare goes down and the debate over Fields will not be worth talking about...

Preach! I like all of our youngns but none of them are untouchable imo.

TMS wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Solace wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Solace wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't think anyone here wants to trade Landry Fields.

+1. I don't know why this keeps coming up. It was pretty much unanimous.

Thats excatly why we have no chance at trading for melo--but I could care less. I hope Melo goes to the Nets.

Which is fine. We should only make trades that improve the team, not destroy it. If we have to destroy the current team, then pass. Agree?

1000% agree. Keep Gallo and Fields no matter what.

Offer Chandler, AR, Turiaf, Curry's expiring, Walker or Buke, $3mil for Melo and say "Take it or Leave it Muffah". If they want us to take Nene, too, thats fine. I don't really care if we fail to get Melo, but he'd be a nice upgrade at SF. Gutting the core to do it is plain stupid and unnecessary.

Facts (as I see it):

1. Melo wants The Garden, the legacy, the scratch from Madison Ave, and the fame
2. We don't owe the Nuggets diddley
3. We want to compete for the next five years for a chip, starting next season
4. His mama din't raise no foo: Melo wants what we want, to win. He knows NYC will give him everything else. No reason for him to douche down and act like he's bigger than the game (i.e., "Witness" ad in Cleveland from LeCon).
5. If he will accept playing out the year in Denver, and tell them Knicks or I walk, they will deal for our package. Something is better than nothing.

Turiaf, Buke and Curry are expirings, AR has big upside and on a rebuilding team he gets burn. Chandler is a great player just out of his rookie deal (we might have to S&T him so they get him locked up - can we do that?).

Papabear Says

Why give up Chandler? Chandler may refuse to sign. Chandler is going to be an allstar. Gallo is not as good a Chandler. We need to stop fooling ourselves. We should not give up Fields , Gallo, or Chandler. We will need these pieces to compete for a championship.

I agree that Chandler is a better player, but if the idea is to get Melo, then Gallo complements Melo better than Chandler. Unless I am mistaken, Chandler will be a restricted FA next year, so if we trade him to Denver, Denver can match any offer he gets. So they are pretty much guaranteed to keep him if they are willing to pay. I would keep Gallo and Fields at all costs. If Denver does not want him, I would trade Anthony Randolph for a 1st round pick and then package Curry, Chandler, Douglas, 1st round pick, and second round pick, and $3 mill to Denver for Melo. That is a much better deal than what Toronto and Clevland got for Lebron and Bosh, as Chandler has the potential to be a borderline All-star if he takes his game up one more level. Denver than then trade Billups for another good player and they would have a team of Lawson, J.R. Smith, Chandler, Kenyon Martin, and Nene. That is a pretty solid team. Plus, they will have some extra draft picks, and can sign a FA once Martin comes off the books.

IMO as long as we can hold onto Fields in a Melo trade, it would be worth making the trade rather than risk not getting him at all... of course it would be great to hold onto either Wilson or Gallo too, but i don't see that as a make or break aspect for this franchise... Fields does things on the court that is just so hard to find even in a role player, making him even harder to replace than guys who are more developed & might even be more talented like Wilson & Gallinari... i think if u have Fields at SG w/Melo at SF & a shooter like Shawne Williams on the bench to back him up, u'r pretty much covered at the wing positions.

Yup and to be honest you can find another good 3pt shooter sooner or later if that's an issue. Just can't trade Fields tho. He's that glue type player that teams just love to have. It's not that we don't want Melo, we just want Donnie to make a good deal. One that isn't going to mess up the team after the deal is done. I'm sure that there's a good deal out there that can satisfy Denver and not totally kill us.

I love the way our team is playing, but what will hurt us is those games against teams like the Heat that will force you to stretch what you can do as a team. If you don't have a player that all by himself can take over a game then you will have trouble against them. That's how they're beating people. They have 2 guys that are unguardable and they knife their way thru your D and cause havoc. I believe we can compete with just about anyone right now, but to put us over the edge we need a player that can take it to another level. IF not then the only other option is to try and load up on some good role players as we've discussed and hope for the best.

holfresh wrote:Well If he turns out like the "next" Magic or "next" Bird and even "baby" Jordan, I say we trade him any day of the week and three times on Sunday for a player the caliber of Melo...There are people here who were arguing against trading Frye for Garnett when Frye was putting up good rookie numbers...I loved Frye at the time but I wasn't nuts...Melo is a once in a 10-15 year talent..He would give the Knicks the opportunity to compete with the Bostons, Miamis and the Lakers of the world...Our current structure doesn't help us get to the next level...Tweeking with second tier players doesn't get us there either... 2 studs are a minimum in today's league...It took me about two years to get over the Reezy trade...We drafted two players that made me forget Reezy in a heartbeat( Chandler and Fields)...Draft nostalgia does not get you to the second round of the playoffs tho...Fields is nice and I love the kid...But we are talking Melo here, a proven second round, first option, stud...

There is nothing I would rather do than have the Knicks deny Miami a Championship the next five years...That would almost make up for Jordan and the Bulls denying us for so many years, almost...Heck, a chance to get at Paul Pierce and the Celtics still in their late primes...Retire them without more rings and watch the Franchise dismantle???...We are talking epic stuff here....In life you have to make tough decisions to take the next step...The Knicks are on the threshold of taking that step...We are talking basketball stuff that kids( new Knick fans) could possibly take with them the rest of their lives like people do with the '69 or '73 Knicks...Gallo, Chandler and Fields are bench players on a Championship team...Hondo came off the bench...If losing two of those three takes us to the next level then so be it...Those type of talent can be replaced...Melo's talent can't...In my opinion, and I hope in Donnie's, this is a no brainer...

YOu've said it all here.

TMS wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

TMS wrote:if DEN is left w/no other choice but to trade him to NY or lose him for nothing in free agency, then i think a reasonable offer to make would be either Wilson or Gallo plus AR & contract filler & whatever picks we can get our hands on... i don't think we would need to include Fields... DEN will no doubt ask for both Gallo & Wilson to be included but at that point will they have much bargaining strength to make any types of demands?

Thats not reasonable. Melo is a superstar. 2 out of Wilson, Chandler, Fields will have to go plus Curry and pick. Thats fair.

like i said in my last post, i'd go as far as Wilson & Gallo plus filler for Melo as long as we could hold onto Fields... i think that's more than reasonable.

I keep reading this and I don't fully understand...Let's say u are the Knicks GM...Denver comes to you and say I want Gallo and Fields or Chandler and Fields for Melo, You would then say no, Fields is untouchable?

holfresh wrote:

TMS wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

TMS wrote:if DEN is left w/no other choice but to trade him to NY or lose him for nothing in free agency, then i think a reasonable offer to make would be either Wilson or Gallo plus AR & contract filler & whatever picks we can get our hands on... i don't think we would need to include Fields... DEN will no doubt ask for both Gallo & Wilson to be included but at that point will they have much bargaining strength to make any types of demands?

Thats not reasonable. Melo is a superstar. 2 out of Wilson, Chandler, Fields will have to go plus Curry and pick. Thats fair.

like i said in my last post, i'd go as far as Wilson & Gallo plus filler for Melo as long as we could hold onto Fields... i think that's more than reasonable.

I keep reading this and I don't fully understand...Let's say u are the Knicks GM...Denver comes to you and say I want Gallo and Fields or Chandler and Fields for Melo, You would then say no, Fields is untouchable?

Yes. Thats what he's saying. Fields is an unreplaceable talent. lol. I forgot how fanatical we can be about our players.

holfresh wrote:

TMS wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

TMS wrote:if DEN is left w/no other choice but to trade him to NY or lose him for nothing in free agency, then i think a reasonable offer to make would be either Wilson or Gallo plus AR & contract filler & whatever picks we can get our hands on... i don't think we would need to include Fields... DEN will no doubt ask for both Gallo & Wilson to be included but at that point will they have much bargaining strength to make any types of demands?

Thats not reasonable. Melo is a superstar. 2 out of Wilson, Chandler, Fields will have to go plus Curry and pick. Thats fair.

like i said in my last post, i'd go as far as Wilson & Gallo plus filler for Melo as long as we could hold onto Fields... i think that's more than reasonable.

I keep reading this and I don't fully understand...Let's say u are the Knicks GM...Denver comes to you and say I want Gallo and Fields or Chandler and Fields for Melo, You would then say no, Fields is untouchable?

I don't know. It's a tough call. Gallo is 15/5 and Fields is 10/8 pretty much as a rookie! That's a lot of good size, skill and potential to give up for Melo, but it is very close. You also can't ignore the fact that both Gallo and Fields are good defenders. So what are you gaining from replacing them with Melo? A great midrange shooter with breakdown ability that gets to the line. He can elevate his game at key times. Still you have to weigh if that is enough to outweigh the loss of those two players that are a key part of your rotation.

WHo knows how Melo would mesh with what we're doing. Will he step up his defense? Will he play within the team concept or disrupt it? If he can mesh with what we do then it could give us that missing offensive punch. We'd still need to address some issues on D tho.

Killa4luv wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TMS wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

TMS wrote:if DEN is left w/no other choice but to trade him to NY or lose him for nothing in free agency, then i think a reasonable offer to make would be either Wilson or Gallo plus AR & contract filler & whatever picks we can get our hands on... i don't think we would need to include Fields... DEN will no doubt ask for both Gallo & Wilson to be included but at that point will they have much bargaining strength to make any types of demands?

Thats not reasonable. Melo is a superstar. 2 out of Wilson, Chandler, Fields will have to go plus Curry and pick. Thats fair.

like i said in my last post, i'd go as far as Wilson & Gallo plus filler for Melo as long as we could hold onto Fields... i think that's more than reasonable.

I keep reading this and I don't fully understand...Let's say u are the Knicks GM...Denver comes to you and say I want Gallo and Fields or Chandler and Fields for Melo, You would then say no, Fields is untouchable?

Yes. Thats what he's saying. Fields is an unreplaceable talent. lol. I forgot how fanatical we can be about our players.

Killa I dont understand...I mean I really like Fields too, but this is Melo...

WOW Mr. Fields, just WOW!!!

In one year Gallo will be playing center, Amar'e will be at the four, Chandler will be at the other forward and Melo will start at the two. Ray Felton still have the keys to the car.

Mozgov will have a year of Las Vegas Summer League alongside the next unsung draft pick. Shawne Williams will hit the weights and Azubuike will be at 92 per cent health.

Landry Fields will morph into the most complete sixth man in New York Knicks history, in the event Melo does not get back on defense - just break glass.

Havlicek did not start either.

TMS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TMS wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

TMS wrote:if DEN is left w/no other choice but to trade him to NY or lose him for nothing in free agency, then i think a reasonable offer to make would be either Wilson or Gallo plus AR & contract filler & whatever picks we can get our hands on... i don't think we would need to include Fields... DEN will no doubt ask for both Gallo & Wilson to be included but at that point will they have much bargaining strength to make any types of demands?

Thats not reasonable. Melo is a superstar. 2 out of Wilson, Chandler, Fields will have to go plus Curry and pick. Thats fair.

like i said in my last post, i'd go as far as Wilson & Gallo plus filler for Melo as long as we could hold onto Fields... i think that's more than reasonable.

I keep reading this and I don't fully understand...Let's say u are the Knicks GM...Denver comes to you and say I want Gallo and Fields or Chandler and Fields for Melo, You would then say no, Fields is untouchable?

Yes. Thats what he's saying. Fields is an unreplaceable talent. lol. I forgot how fanatical we can be about our players.

Killa I dont understand...I mean I really like Fields too, but this is Melo...

did u not read my response above or do u just wanna insert ur own definitions to someone else's comments? i just got done saying i don't consider Fields an untouchable, but out of the 3 young guys we have, he'd be the last one i'd be willing to include in any trade... i also said i wouldn't give up all 3 of them to get Melo... i guess you would?

Yes I read what you said...I didn't mean to respond to Killa in that conversation, mistake there...I would have to think of trading all three tho...but two of out three for me is a no brainer...Melo has the talent to have the Knicks compete with Boston and Miami..Losing 2 of Fields, Chandler or Gallo won't change that...Winning will quickly make me forget about the draft picks we lost....