martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:That requires Carmelo. I said 2nd round because we're not going from where we are into the NBA finals right away.

Whither me this: How does acquiring Melo help the Knicks defense?

How does it not help their offense? How does it not take pressure off of Amar'e statistically and physically?

Adding a guy like Nene (who can make the 18-20 footer) helps takes pressure off of Amare both statistically and physically in more ways that Melo could.

It's also moves a guy like Chandler or Gallo to the bench, which strengthens that aspect of the Knicks, which in turn helps takes pressure off of Amare both statistically and physically.

It's also helps the defense, which is the Knicks' main weakness. It moves Turiaf to the bench, which also helps Knicks bench and defense.

I already mentioned that our biggest need defensively is adding a big man who patrols the paint. Let Carmelo do what he does best, and that's score the ball. We have no one but Stat to take the last shot right now.

Durant isn't a great defender, but is OKC better off without him by just having Westbrook? Obviously no.

How Carmelo doesn't make the Knicks more serious of a contender is beyond me. This is the one sport that relies heavily on superstars. He fits that bill. I'll go to war with Stat and Melo than Stat, Wilson, and Gallo any day.

Why can't Anthony improve as well? You're getting too involved with his 1 weakness as opposed to his many strengths.

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Also, Amar'e wasn't known as a great defender in Phoenix but HE HAS improved that so far with his new team.

Why can't Anthony improve as well?

He can definitely improve, but why hasn't he showed 1 iota of defense?

And why, in his 1 game at MSG, didn't he just show his D? For 1 game!

Look, I'm not saying he's an all NBA defensive candidate. I'm saying he makes this team a more legitimate playoff team. He gets to the FT line, he's clutch, he rebounds exceptionally well for a SF, and that's huge for a team that's trying to get out on the break. Isn't that just as many RPG as Amar'e who is a PF/C?

I don't want to see Amar'e go down that same road.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:Melo carried the Nuggets past the Orlando Magic earlier this week with a monster game & almost did the same last night against the NBA's top team the Spurs scoring over 30 if he had gotten the benefit of a call from the refs on his last shot that went in at the buzzer (looked like a legitimate non-call to me, but he was called for charging)

i have no idea how people wouldn't want a guy like that on this team... with 2 guys like Amare & Melo, you are presenting matchup nightmares for every other team in the NBA every single night... why is that a bad thing?

it's not a bad thing. Neither is using the same money for Nene and bench.

You build a foundation before you worry about a bench. You want to spend money on guys who won't start games?

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:Melo carried the Nuggets past the Orlando Magic earlier this week with a monster game & almost did the same last night against the NBA's top team the Spurs scoring over 30 if he had gotten the benefit of a call from the refs on his last shot that went in at the buzzer (looked like a legitimate non-call to me, but he was called for charging)

i have no idea how people wouldn't want a guy like that on this team... with 2 guys like Amare & Melo, you are presenting matchup nightmares for every other team in the NBA every single night... why is that a bad thing?

it's not a bad thing. Neither is using the same money for Nene and bench.

You build a foundation before you worry about a bench. You want to spend money on guys who won't start games?

Dude, Nene would start. And bench is the reason we lost against probably the best team in the league in Boston, so yes I want to spend money there.

I know Nene would start. But bench guys wouldn't obviously.

The reason we lost the Boston game is because of a lack of interior defense imo. This is why I want a defensive big man.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:Melo carried the Nuggets past the Orlando Magic earlier this week with a monster game & almost did the same last night against the NBA's top team the Spurs scoring over 30 if he had gotten the benefit of a call from the refs on his last shot that went in at the buzzer (looked like a legitimate non-call to me, but he was called for charging)

i have no idea how people wouldn't want a guy like that on this team... with 2 guys like Amare & Melo, you are presenting matchup nightmares for every other team in the NBA every single night... why is that a bad thing?

it's not a bad thing. Neither is using the same money for Nene and bench.

You build a foundation before you worry about a bench. You want to spend money on guys who won't start games?

Dude, Nene would start. And bench is the reason we lost against probably the best team in the league in Boston, so yes I want to spend money there.

I know Nene would start. But bench guys wouldn't obviously.

The reason we lost the Boston game is because of a lack of interior defense imo. This is why I want a defensive big man.

Oh awesome, so you are on the Nene train too?

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:Melo carried the Nuggets past the Orlando Magic earlier this week with a monster game & almost did the same last night against the NBA's top team the Spurs scoring over 30 if he had gotten the benefit of a call from the refs on his last shot that went in at the buzzer (looked like a legitimate non-call to me, but he was called for charging)

i have no idea how people wouldn't want a guy like that on this team... with 2 guys like Amare & Melo, you are presenting matchup nightmares for every other team in the NBA every single night... why is that a bad thing?

it's not a bad thing. Neither is using the same money for Nene and bench.

You build a foundation before you worry about a bench. You want to spend money on guys who won't start games?

Dude, Nene would start. And bench is the reason we lost against probably the best team in the league in Boston, so yes I want to spend money there.

I know Nene would start. But bench guys wouldn't obviously.

The reason we lost the Boston game is because of a lack of interior defense imo. This is why I want a defensive big man.

Oh awesome, so you are on the Nene train too?

Yea, just not as much as I am on the Melo train.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:Melo carried the Nuggets past the Orlando Magic earlier this week with a monster game & almost did the same last night against the NBA's top team the Spurs scoring over 30 if he had gotten the benefit of a call from the refs on his last shot that went in at the buzzer (looked like a legitimate non-call to me, but he was called for charging)

i have no idea how people wouldn't want a guy like that on this team... with 2 guys like Amare & Melo, you are presenting matchup nightmares for every other team in the NBA every single night... why is that a bad thing?

it's not a bad thing. Neither is using the same money for Nene and bench.

i don't think addressing the bench is a bad thing either, but it's much harder to get your hands on stud players in this league... i don't want Amare to go through what Ewing had to go through his entire career by trying to carry a team on his back that lacked another legitimate star player... you add Melo to this team & it prevents other teams from doubling him on a nightly basis & saves a lot of wear & tear on his body from expending so much energy every night trying to carry this team in crunchtime... i don't think Amare is gonna continue putting up 30 & 10 type games on a nightly basis, it's just unrealistic... sooner or later he's gonna slow down, & when that happens who is going to step up to carry the load? Ray? Gallo? Wilson? i just don't buy it... i think adding another guy like Melo who can also carry the offense would do wonders for our team & practically guarantees that we stay competitive w/the top teams in the NBA for a longer stretch, & not just when Amare has a crazy game.

i have no problems w/adding a defensive minded C to this team to add to the balance, but i don't think u pass up on Melo to go after Nene... the ideal situation would be landing both in a larger package... or if not Nene, then targetting Camby or Pryzbilla in a separate trade... i'd be fine w/any of those options, but Melo would be my #1 priority.

TMS wrote:Melo carried the Nuggets past the Orlando Magic earlier this week with a monster game & almost did the same last night against the NBA's top team the Spurs scoring over 30 if he had gotten the benefit of a call from the refs on his last shot that went in at the buzzer (looked like a legitimate non-call to me, but he was called for charging)

i have no idea how people wouldn't want a guy like that on this team... with 2 guys like Amare & Melo, you are presenting matchup nightmares for every other team in the NBA every single night... why is that a bad thing?

forgot to add... no Chauncey Billups in either of those games.

TMS wrote:

TMS wrote:Melo carried the Nuggets past the Orlando Magic earlier this week with a monster game & almost did the same last night against the NBA's top team the Spurs scoring over 30 if he had gotten the benefit of a call from the refs on his last shot that went in at the buzzer (looked like a legitimate non-call to me, but he was called for charging)

i have no idea how people wouldn't want a guy like that on this team... with 2 guys like Amare & Melo, you are presenting matchup nightmares for every other team in the NBA every single night... why is that a bad thing?

forgot to add... no Chauncey Billups in either of those games.

Prob best for Nuggets. I dont mean to sound sarcastic: Ty has been playing better than Billups for the year, don't know if Chauncy has been hampered by injuries or slowed by Summer play.

Billups will obviously have the experience thing going for him, but outside of FTA's and FT%, Ty has him beat in just about every other category that matters. No idea if he runs the team better.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/2011.html