And the MLE and draft should be enough to find a big or two and a backup PG. I'm confident in Donnie Walsh. He found Landry Fields and I guanrantee you Timofey Mozgov will be MUCH better next season. Acquiring that second Star is more of a priority to me then finding role player big men and a 10 mpg backup PG.

And Marcus Camby, Nene and Kenyon Martin are not in the same league as STAT. The only other PF in the league who's at that level is Dirk Nowitzki. Nobody else.

iSergio wrote:I don't see why Carmelo Anthony couldn't play his game and be effective playing with Amar'e Stoudemire. He's not a selfish player or a cancer. He's not Stephon Marbury. Melo isn't coming here and destroying the chemistry. Heck, Melo and STAT are good friends off the court. And if Kobe can play with Shaq and Pau Gasol and Paul Pierce can play with both Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, I don't see why Melo couldn't play with STAT.

And the MLE and draft should be enough to find a big or two and a backup PG. I'm confident in Donnie Walsh. He found Landry Fields and I guanrantee you Timofey Mozgov will be MUCH better next season. Acquiring that second Star is more of a priority to me then finding role player big men and a 10 mpg backup PG.

And Marcus Camby, Nene and Kenyon Martin are not in the same league as STAT. The only other PF in the league who's at that level is Dirk Nowitzki. Nobody else.

so you're not cool with trading 1st rounders for Melo then yeah?

If you look at the Celtics who have won recent titles/finals take a look at how they score. Rather than heavliy leaning on one guy or a pair of guys they go with balance. KG, Rondo, Allen and Pierce are all quality scorers, but I would say Melo is a better scorer than all of them. Maybe Pierce is better. That being said part of why Melo's teams dont advance is its much easier to focus on a scoring attack led by 2 main guys.

We can talk about this until we are blue in the face, but the Celtics w/ the best defense in the league couldnt stop the Knicks down the stretch. Gallo (the bum) w/ big buckets. Felton (not good enough to be a 2nd scorer) slicing through the defense for coast to coast layups. Amare hitting big shots. The Knick's depth of talent is forcing teams to play at our pace.

Our weakness is size and depth (bench). Melo weakens us at both. If Chandler/Fields/Gallo were 26-27 and have been playing together a few years different story. The trio is 22. Everynight they fill out the stat sheet and really make the good things that Amare/Felton are doing stand up.

I hope we get a skilled big man soon and put the Melo stuff to rest one way or another

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

VDesai wrote:It boils down to this. Did the Knicks lose last night because they didn't have a 2nd go to option to get them a basket when they needed or because we couldn't get stops when we needed?

I know the Knicks missed 2 shots down the stretch, but Amare's shot was a good look that went in and out and Felton got hammered without a whistle. Was another offensive player really going to get us a much better result than the opportunities we had? Or would we have been better off denying KG the ball or keeping him off the offensive glass down the stretch. My ultimate point was there was a much more glaring need for the latter. We seem to operating just fine without the established 2nd banana right now. We have a whole bunch of guys that are acting like that "2nd banana" already on the roster- they just haven't been established as that kind of player by leaguewide perception as of yet.

The Knicks didn't lose last night because they lacked a second star.

But come playoff time, they will.

Exactly right. We could be a 50-win team whether we have Melo or not, but we are a much better playoff team if he is on the roster.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

VDesai wrote:It boils down to this. Did the Knicks lose last night because they didn't have a 2nd go to option to get them a basket when they needed or because we couldn't get stops when we needed?

I know the Knicks missed 2 shots down the stretch, but Amare's shot was a good look that went in and out and Felton got hammered without a whistle. Was another offensive player really going to get us a much better result than the opportunities we had? Or would we have been better off denying KG the ball or keeping him off the offensive glass down the stretch. My ultimate point was there was a much more glaring need for the latter. We seem to operating just fine without the established 2nd banana right now. We have a whole bunch of guys that are acting like that "2nd banana" already on the roster- they just haven't been established as that kind of player by leaguewide perception as of yet.

The Knicks didn't lose last night because they lacked a second star.

But come playoff time, they will.

Exactly right. We could be a 50-win team whether we have Melo or not, but we are a much better playoff team if he is on the roster.

Too many people stress over the regular season instead of emphasizing what it takes to succeed in the poststeason. The defense automatically tightens up, shots are harder to get off, the play beomes a lot more physical.

These are ALL things that Carmelo Anthony would assist the Knicks with. He brings it.

Would Melo help assist the Knicks tightening of defense?

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

VDesai wrote:It boils down to this. Did the Knicks lose last night because they didn't have a 2nd go to option to get them a basket when they needed or because we couldn't get stops when we needed?

I know the Knicks missed 2 shots down the stretch, but Amare's shot was a good look that went in and out and Felton got hammered without a whistle. Was another offensive player really going to get us a much better result than the opportunities we had? Or would we have been better off denying KG the ball or keeping him off the offensive glass down the stretch. My ultimate point was there was a much more glaring need for the latter. We seem to operating just fine without the established 2nd banana right now. We have a whole bunch of guys that are acting like that "2nd banana" already on the roster- they just haven't been established as that kind of player by leaguewide perception as of yet.

The Knicks didn't lose last night because they lacked a second star.

But come playoff time, they will.

Exactly right. We could be a 50-win team whether we have Melo or not, but we are a much better playoff team if he is on the roster.

Too many people stress over the regular season instead of emphasizing what it takes to succeed in the poststeason. The defense automatically tightens up, shots are harder to get off, the play beomes a lot more physical.

These are ALL things that Carmelo Anthony would assist the Knicks with. He brings it.

This team has never made the playoffs and I can't judge the team in regards to playoff performance until I see it. I don't disagree what melo brings just saying we haven't seen any of our young 20s in playoff atmosphere.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I want AR to get a fair chance to show if he can be a second banana. If it doesn't work out fine, but I don't want him traded now when he has had very little time to show what he can or can't do. Once that's settled, a big man who can make the other team think twice about taking it to the rim and a backup PG who can spell Felton and keep the Knicks in the game while he rests.

He's 3-4 years away from this, and that's IF his game develops. The last person I want to count on to be a 2nd banana is AR.

3-4 years is a stretch. He was putting up second banana numbers in GS. Like I said, give him some real minutes, see what he can do, if he doesn't rise to the challenge then trade him.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I want AR to get a fair chance to show if he can be a second banana. If it doesn't work out fine, but I don't want him traded now when he has had very little time to show what he can or can't do. Once that's settled, a big man who can make the other team think twice about taking it to the rim and a backup PG who can spell Felton and keep the Knicks in the game while he rests.

He's 3-4 years away from this, and that's IF his game develops. The last person I want to count on to be a 2nd banana is AR.

3-4 years is a stretch. He was putting up second banana numbers in GS. Like I said, give him some real minutes, see what he can do, if he doesn't rise to the challenge then trade him.

You can't just give a guy minutes to see what he can do, especially this year so far with the success the Knicks have been having. Anthony Randolph is doing something that is not warranting him any time at the moment. When that changes, we'll see him.

You don't make him a starter and give him 35 minutes but you ease him into the rotation and you see how he does, you give him a real
opportunity to get some minutes. I've said before that I was ok with AR's benching but I'm not ok with him being traded right now. If we traded for another big man we would be likely going through the same process all over again.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Do the Knicks need a second banana?

Doesn't Kobe need Gasol?

Doesn't Durant need Westbrook?

Doesn't Wade need Lebron?

All those guys play D

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

VDesai wrote:It boils down to this. Did the Knicks lose last night because they didn't have a 2nd go to option to get them a basket when they needed or because we couldn't get stops when we needed?

I know the Knicks missed 2 shots down the stretch, but Amare's shot was a good look that went in and out and Felton got hammered without a whistle. Was another offensive player really going to get us a much better result than the opportunities we had? Or would we have been better off denying KG the ball or keeping him off the offensive glass down the stretch. My ultimate point was there was a much more glaring need for the latter. We seem to operating just fine without the established 2nd banana right now. We have a whole bunch of guys that are acting like that "2nd banana" already on the roster- they just haven't been established as that kind of player by leaguewide perception as of yet.

The Knicks didn't lose last night because they lacked a second star.

But come playoff time, they will.

Exactly right. We could be a 50-win team whether we have Melo or not, but we are a much better playoff team if he is on the roster.

Too many people stress over the regular season instead of emphasizing what it takes to succeed in the poststeason. The defense automatically tightens up, shots are harder to get off, the play beomes a lot more physical.

These are ALL things that Carmelo Anthony would assist the Knicks with. He brings it.

Carmelo only helps if you can stay in the game until the last 5 minutes. If we are getting destroyed inside for 3+ quarters, a 2nd go-to scorer will not be enough to bring us back.