technomaster wrote:Well, we've got an interesting challenge w/ Chandler. We'd need to renounce him (and others!) if we were to sign Carmelo as a FA. Alternatively, we'd probably need to pay him 6-9million per year, effectively eliminating our cap space.

Mayo still has a few years left potentially on his rookie deal.

I like the versatility that the Knicks current lineup brings - we have Gallo/Chandler/Amare/Fields - all are capable of playing multiple positions, allowing us to tweak our lineup for running or half court.

Gallo/Chandler each is not as good as a Carmelo - but a lineup with both creates opportunities a lineup with just Carmelo would. (I'm ambivalent on any move for Carmelo - though I'd be in favor of it strongly if we could keep at least one of Gallo/Chandler - both of them are turning into glue guys)

At this stage of their careers, Chandler is a better player than Mayo - clearly. You'd think Mayo has more upside/talent/bball IQ... but Chandler is "versatile," able to leverage strengths to his game whether he's playing SG/SF/PF. Mayo gets the negative connotation of tweener. He's a small SG... and hasn't shown the ability to exploit his size/skills against smaller opponents when playing PG.

you can retain Wilson this summer if you make a trade for Melo now that doesn't include him in the deal by excercising his Bird Rights as a RFA.

TMS wrote:

VDesai wrote:

TMS wrote:Buike & AR for Mayo works in trade checker

That would be the offer that makes the most sense.

I like Mayo a lot, but how does he fit here? I think the Knicks need Douglas' skills off the bench more than Mayo's. Unless Mayo became a lockdown defender and I didn't know about it...

maybe it's a precursor to a deal w/DEN for Melo where we're giving up Gallo & Fields? who knows... u have to like that tradeoff though, we'd only be losing 1 net starter if both those trades went down, & would be gaining a star player.

that would be awesome...

Felton
Mayo
Melo
Amar'e
Whoever

TMS wrote:AR & Buike for Mayo is the most i'd give up... or if they'd take TD, Mason & Walker for Mayo, i'd be fine w/that too, but that would leave us w/o a backup PG.

TMS, you probably know by now I just am not in love with comparing players, especially comparing D'Antoni players to his past players, but to me, if you got OJ, he would be perfect for that role Barbosa filled up way back when. A good scoring punch and can play PG at spurts. Kinda like how Nate Robinson also was too, except hopefully without the headaches.

Although I am in deep love with TDs defense and it would be hard as hell for me to give that up. His D' is absolutely outstanding. His defense is the type that helps you get deep in the playoffs.

BigDaddyG wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

TMS wrote:AR & Buike for Mayo is the most i'd give up... or if they'd take TD, Mason & Walker for Mayo, i'd be fine w/that too, but that would leave us w/o a backup PG.

OJ can play point in the NBA.

I'd do those trades too, but then Memphis could find better deals right? What's TD's value right now?

O.K. Mayo can't play point in the NBA. Part of the reason O.K. was cut from Team USA this summer was Memphis was pressured into overpaying Conley is because O.K. can't play point guard. It wouldn't be a problem because we already have Felton, but we would still need a backup.

Mayo is a definite UPGRADE over TD as far as playing back-up PG and SG on offense no doubt about it...

Mayo in the offense would be sick.

Doesn't fit in Memphis and that is Kinda how AR is with us.

Mayo is a NBA SG and could either come off bench for Felton or Fields can't see a better sixth man
for us.

Thing is I can't see trading Chandler for him ....... Ill Will is Killing it!!

BigDaddyG wrote:

umynot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

TMS wrote:AR & Buike for Mayo is the most i'd give up... or if they'd take TD, Mason & Walker for Mayo, i'd be fine w/that too, but that would leave us w/o a backup PG.

OJ can play point in the NBA.

I'd do those trades too, but then Memphis could find better deals right? What's TD's value right now?

O.K. Mayo can't play point in the NBA. Part of the reason O.K. was cut from Team USA this summer was Memphis was pressured into overpaying Conley is because O.K. can't play point guard. It wouldn't be a problem because we already have Felton, but we would still need a backup.

Mayo is a definite UPGRADE over TD as far as playing back-up PG and SG on offense no doubt about it...

Mayo in the offense would be sick.

Doesn't fit in Memphis and that is Kinda how AR is with us.

Mayo is a NBA SG and could either come off bench for Felton or Fields can't see a better sixth man
for us.

Thing is I can't see trading Chandler for him ....... Ill Will is Killing it!!

I'm not saying O.K. isn't better than T.D., I'm saying that Mayo can't play point and it's definitely a downgrade on defense. If a trade were made, we would need to get a back-up point guard. Mayo doesn't even play back-up for Memphis and it's not like Greivis Vasquez is a world beater. Anyone who's seen O.J. play the point knows it's a struggle for him.

i agree... i would probably much rather do the AR & Buike deal if MEM would accept that package just for the fact we wouldn't be losing anyone out of our current rotation to make that deal... losing TD, while not the end of the world, would still take away a pretty valuable role player off our bench that contributes w/his ball hawking defense... there really is no one else on this team that plays as good on ball D as he does on a consistent basis.

Markji wrote:We're playing great. OJ Mayo is a good player but I wouldn't break up the team for him. Especially with Fields playing so well at SG.

Right. There is not spot of Mayo. Don't think he is going to be content coming off the bench long term.

martin wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:I would think there are better matches out there as far as trade partners for Memphis unless we're giving up Chandler or Fields. I wouldn't do an OJ trade involving either though.

It would have to be a trade based around TD/Randolph for me and then you have OJ as the 6th man to control the team when Felton and/or STAT are sitting. That's basically all this team needs is a playmaker in the backcourt off the bench and rebounding/PnR/defense depth up front. Over-reaching for a big name would be a mistake.

Via TommyD, Grizz interested in/targeting Chandler.

They can have him, for MARC GASOL.

umynot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

TMS wrote:AR & Buike for Mayo is the most i'd give up... or if they'd take TD, Mason & Walker for Mayo, i'd be fine w/that too, but that would leave us w/o a backup PG.

OJ can play point in the NBA.

I'd do those trades too, but then Memphis could find better deals right? What's TD's value right now?

O.K. Mayo can't play point in the NBA. Part of the reason O.K. was cut from Team USA this summer was Memphis was pressured into overpaying Conley is because O.K. can't play point guard. It wouldn't be a problem because we already have Felton, but we would still need a backup.

Mayo is a definite UPGRADE over TD as far as playing back-up PG and SG on offense no doubt about it...

Mayo in the offense would be sick.

Doesn't fit in Memphis and that is Kinda how AR is with us.

Mayo is a NBA SG and could either come off bench for Felton or Fields can't see a better sixth man
for us.

Thing is I can't see trading Chandler for him ....... Ill Will is Killing it!!

Losing Will at this point, would be tough... Unless it's in exchange for Melo.

Problem is we have like 5 small fowards, no true shooting guard or center and still need a back-up PG.

Memphis gives OJ Mayo, Sam Young, Demarre Carroll

NY gives: AR4, Toney Douglas, Bill Walker, $3mm