TMS wrote:

rvwink wrote:'u have seen the impact a real star player can have on a franchise.'

The problem with that is yes Amare and Felton have brought us more of a swagger and a belief we can win. But that doesn't mean that another super star will automatically have a second beneficial effect. Particularly when that superstar is accustomed to taking more shots, and he also breaks up the excellent chemistry of the current Knicks.

In short, I think it is a crap shoot as to whether Melo aids team morale or weakens it. What do you think?

there are no givens in sports... trading for Melo could be a disaster or it could be the best move our franchise could possibly make... there's no way to tell unless u make the move, or don't... my guess is DW is going for it this year.

As he should...

Q. AnubusA - Is Chandler going shoot 80% from the 3 on the nightly basis?

A. Wilson Chandler is playing his way to being an NBA All Star by the time he is 25 years old

Q. AnubusA - Is Fields going to average 18 and 9 on the nightly basis?

A. Definitely.

Paladin55 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:
Carmelo and Amare are averaging the SAME amount of FGA per game for this season. Obvisouly their attempts would drop and we'd likely see greater efficiency.

There is no reason to assume that this will be necessarily be the case. In fact, the opposite might even be true- they may become less efficient with fewer touches.

You also face the possibility of losing the offensive flow your team has, not to mention the fact that your defense would take a hit if you give up 2 of the 3 guys people are talking about giving up.

Amare is at his worse when he is trying to create and force the issue. Having another star minimizes him having to force the issue and makes double teaming costly. Amare and Carmelo both have jumpers to keep teams honest as well. Carmelo doesnt miss many wide open shots either.

Offensive flow? Knicks are effective at giving the ball to Amare and letting him go to work.

Our defense BLOWS right now. Teams still getting into the paint at will. Yea we may get a few blocks but they usually result in a layup or a foul.

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I cant emphasize it enough--we need a bench enhancement a good sized combo guard who can score(maybe OJ Mayo?) and an additional big man who cans core--changing the SL or trading any of the starters would be crazy given their age skills and the way they fit in. Think about this some people wanted to trade Gallo Chandler and Fields for Melo--clearly these people do not know what a team is. Caremlo demands too many shots and would interfere with our go to player and chemistry--we have a great team that needs additions to the bench.

We can already outscore teams--we dont need that--we need interior help and additional quality depth

Dude we need Carmelo Anthony. We have Amare and Felton playing 40+ minutes a night. An NBA season is about pacing.

Is Chandler going shoot 80% from the 3 on the nightly basis? NO
Is Fields going to average 18 and 9 on the nightly basis? NO

Guys can get up for big games. We need guys who can do is for 82 games.

Carmelo and Amare are averaging the SAME amount of FGA per game for this season. Obvisouly their attempts would drop and we'd likely see greater efficiency.

Tonights game was an example of Amare and Carmelo playing each other to a stale mate and Carmelo played less minutes.

I agree about getting a STAR. We have one. Good enough

Each one is capable of blowing up on any given night.

Stars?

We don't need no steenkin' stars!

Give me the 30 assists and only 6 turnovers and we will beat any team in the NBA.

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I cant emphasize it enough--we need a bench enhancement a good sized combo guard who can score(maybe OJ Mayo?) and an additional big man who cans core--changing the SL or trading any of the starters would be crazy given their age skills and the way they fit in. Think about this some people wanted to trade Gallo Chandler and Fields for Melo--clearly these people do not know what a team is. Caremlo demands too many shots and would interfere with our go to player and chemistry--we have a great team that needs additions to the bench.

We can already outscore teams--we dont need that--we need interior help and additional quality depth

Dude we need Carmelo Anthony. We have Amare and Felton playing 40+ minutes a night. An NBA season is about pacing.

Is Chandler going shoot 80% from the 3 on the nightly basis? NO
Is Fields going to average 18 and 9 on the nightly basis? NO

Guys can get up for big games. We need guys who can do is for 82 games.

Carmelo and Amare are averaging the SAME amount of FGA per game for this season. Obvisouly their attempts would drop and we'd likely see greater efficiency.

Tonights game was an example of Amare and Carmelo playing each other to a stale mate and Carmelo played less minutes.

wrong. Melo went 0-6 from 3 and 11-27 overall. We won because we have a balanced scoring attack as opposed to an offense that lives and dies buy 2 players.

I agree about getting a STAR. We have one. Good enough

What I think we are especially going to need is that starting big man that can consistently guard the bigger centers like Nene, Bogut and all of them, because Amar'e really struggles with them. He works ultra hard on defense, but it just doesn't come easy to him. Marc Gasol would be perfect next to Amar'e and HE may be a better fit than Carmello because the way I see it, out scoring is not a problem in any form. Yeah he'll help out but if we give up everything we have for him, I think we'd be where we are now. However, if we stick with what we have, resign Wilson and find a way to get Gasol and draft wisely, I think we got outselves a contending team.

BlueSeats wrote:

misterearl wrote:The Knicks have six players who have had 20 point games this season

Each one is capable of blowing up on any given night.

The difference is wondering who will rise to the occasion vs knowing.

We have one guy who we KNOW will score 25 points a game. We have Wilson, Gallo, and Felton who we KNOW will also score at least 15-18 and they are capable of scoring. Going by what we've seen, one of them WILL go off along with Amar'e. Does it really matter who, as long as someone goes off?

OldFan wrote:What I saw today is the same thing I've been seeing. A really good offensive team that can't play defense:
D Lee 28 (At least we fought him TOOTH and nail)
Love 30/30 (hasn't been done since Moses Malone) Beasley 35
Ellis 40
Griffin 44 (Season High)
Lopez 36 (Season High)
Prince 31 (season High)
Love 33/15 Milicic 10pts (in 8 minutes)
Barganin 41 (career High)
Nene 26 (Tied Season High)

This team needs to improve on defense to compete in the playoffs. More hustle and smarts on defense will help but my belief is we need more size and toughness inside. Teams are going to get stops in the playoffs no matter how good your offense is and we're going to need to get stops also. Don't see how we do that after we trade for and pay Melo.

Knicks did come up the stops at the end of the game when they needed them. But I think there is a glaring need for another guy like Turiaf on the roster. A defensive minded big to take pressure of Stoudemire. Look at the position most of the players on your list play...

Allanfan20 wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

misterearl wrote:The Knicks have six players who have had 20 point games this season

Each one is capable of blowing up on any given night.

The difference is wondering who will rise to the occasion vs knowing.

We have one guy who we KNOW will score 25 points a game. We have Wilson, Gallo, and Felton who we KNOW will also score at least 15-18 and they are capable of scoring. Going by what we've seen, one of them WILL go off along with Amar'e. Does it really matter who, as long as someone goes off?

The same Wilson who has never been to the playoffs?

The same Felton who got destroyed by Jameer Nelson in the playoffs?

Depending on Amare to average 30 ppg for us to win is insane.

If you can get Melo without gutting the core, which we probably can since Donnie has all the leverage in the world right now, then I think you do it. If not, wait until the end of the season, sign him in FA, and then use some of the redundant pieces in a trade to bring in another big man.

I'm not in love with Carmelo Anthony but the guy is still a top-notch player and has never played with anyone as good as Amare Stoudemire. He isn't as efficient of an offensive player as I'd like him to be but to say he can't change is ridiculous when you consider the transformation a guy like Paul Pierce went. Getting role players that play defense is not that tough to do, getting franchise talent on the other hand, is a bit more difficult.

Melo and Amare together would be awfully tough to stop. If you can lock up two young stars long-term like that, I think you do it as long as you aren't giving up the farm.

i don't want to give up the house in a melo trade. i refuse to give up Fields. I would give them ONE of gallo/chandler and AR and eddy. if they want to move AR for a first rounder, they (denver) can do it themselves.