nixluva wrote:TMS and Crush, the Knicks were 12-6 during the stretch from Dec. 1 thru Jan. 7th last year. We had gotten to 5 games under .500 and still had a shot at the playoffs. The season wasn't over!!! All this crap you guys keep spouting is revisionist history. You don't give up on a season when you get to within 5 games of .500 after playing just 35 games!!! When exactly was the cutoff point at which a coach is supposed to give up on the season and just play kids? Well it wasn't at that point. Soon enough the team fell off and then it became clear that the season was over, but not up until that point. You guys are too much. Who gives up on a season at 15-20? Just do us a favor and give a freakin rest already.

This is a man that has gone to the WCF's 2x and had some amazing playoff runs get cut short by strange circumstances or losing to great teams. He's about winning. When you're winning 60 games you aren't thinking about petty crap. You're only thinking about winning. If Mike plays AR it's gonna be cuz he thinks he can help the team win and if he doesn't play him it's cuz he doesn't think he can help. PERIOD!!!

9 wins, 16 losses in the games Bender played last year... those are facts, not opinion... call it spouting crap all u want, it doesn't change facts no matter what u wanna call it.

like i told u before, put me on ignore if u don't wanna read what i'm spouting & stfu already... i'm getting sick of you telling me how i should or shouldn't post on this forum.

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Anthony Randolph seems frustrated at being out of Mike D'Antoni's rotation.

"I have no choice. I have to deal with it," Randolph said.

Asked if he is confident that he will get another opportunity to prove himself to the coach, Randolph said "No."

D'Antoni expressed the opposite point of view.

"I'd be very surprised, it's a long year, if things don't come around where you get a heck of a chance," D'Antoni said.

Source: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70512/20101210/randolph_frustrated_in_new_york/

Right on time with our tough schedule.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, clearly by D'Antoni's comment that Randolph will get the Jordan Hill treatment for the foreseeable future.

how is that 33 win prediction looking?

He's not ready. Big difference from the doghouse. Like Bip said... try reading what MDA said

I read the same crap about Jordan Hill last year when Jefferies was getting 30+ minutes. Hill gets traded then D'Antoni starts talking slick.

Guess how many minutes Jefferies is getting in Houston? ZERO.

D'Antoni plays favorites plain and simple. If he wanted to he could find 10-15 minutes a game for Randolph.

Hows your 33 win prediction looking?

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:TMS and Crush, the Knicks were 12-6 during the stretch from Dec. 1 thru Jan. 7th last year. We had gotten to 5 games under .500 and still had a shot at the playoffs. The season wasn't over!!! All this crap you guys keep spouting is revisionist history. You don't give up on a season when you get to within 5 games of .500 after playing just 35 games!!! When exactly was the cutoff point at which a coach is supposed to give up on the season and just play kids? Well it wasn't at that point. Soon enough the team fell off and then it became clear that the season was over, but not up until that point. You guys are too much. Who gives up on a season at 15-20? Just do us a favor and give a freakin rest already.

This is a man that has gone to the WCF's 2x and had some amazing playoff runs get cut short by strange circumstances or losing to great teams. He's about winning. When you're winning 60 games you aren't thinking about petty crap. You're only thinking about winning. If Mike plays AR it's gonna be cuz he thinks he can help the team win and if he doesn't play him it's cuz he doesn't think he can help. PERIOD!!!

9 wins, 16 losses in the games Bender played last year... those are facts, not opinion... call it spouting crap all u want, it doesn't change facts no matter what u wanna call it.

like i told u before, put me on ignore if u don't wanna read what i'm spouting & stfu already... i'm getting sick of you telling me how i should or shouldn't post on this forum.

You keep spouting your little pissy opinion when it comes to D'Antoni and so I keep responding. I don't care what the record was in Bender's games, that wasn't even my argument. My point was that Mike isn't making decisions based on petty personality issues as you and others keep making it seem. He's not playing guys just cuz he likes them more than some other guy. He's a coach that wants to win. That's how coaches like him think. The guy had something going last year after the bad start and it was still too early in the season to give up and just play kids regardless of the outcome. Until it's pretty much a done deal many coaches will keep trying to win games.

You have no proof of you take on Mike and you just keep sticking it out there as if it's some kind of fact that he's petty. I'll keep speaking up when you do cuz it's wrong!!! He's been accused of not playing young players and then when he does, it's ignored. The man wants to win and his entire career has been about trying to win. I see far more evidence to this fact than you and others can come up with to the contrary. Your argument is weak and I'll keep pointing that out as long as you keep trying to make it.

The facts are that Hill came to SL out of shape and wasn't much better in Training Camp. That along with not really giving max effort was the main reason this kid didn't get more of a look early on. TD was being groomed to play PG and he really wasn't that good at it. He did some things well, so he played more, but even to this day they aren't satisfied with is PG play. AR has been lost and for the most part hasn't shown any improvement. When he does i'm positive he'll play. None of this has anything to do with playing favorites or holding some petty grudge. It's not even about being young.

my "pissy little opinions" are based on facts... Bender played in 25 games in which he helped us win 9... that doesn't show me MDA only plays guys that help his team win games... TD worked harder than any other player in practice from all the reports i ever read but he wasn't able to see any playing time until DW started to travel w/the team... that doesn't show me MDA only plays guys that work hard in practice either

your pissy little opinions that you spout off about everytime you rush to MDA's defense does nothing to hide the facts i've presented.

nixluva wrote:This is some great body of evidence? A coach's entire career can be wrapped up in the W/L record of a marginal player who played in 25 games and a rookie Combo guard who still hasn't figured out how to play the PG position. You really need to think about your argument.

I'm not making Bender the center of my argument you are. TD did play in games last year. Just to show you how much you're exaggerating the truth of what happened last year, here's TD's game log.

please show me where i have ever said MDA's entire career can be wrapped up in the W/L record of how he handled TD & Bender last year... i have made simple observations about certain decisions he's made as Knicks' head coach & related how those decisions seem to fly in the face of some the statements you & the other MDA apologists have put forth on these forums... if you're going to comment on my posts at least represent them correctly.

BlueSeats wrote:You know, sometimes its okay to just develop a layer slowly. You don't have to play 10+ guys a night.

Turiaf is brittle, Amare or Moz could go down. AR will get a chance to play again, and hopefully when he does he'll be ready. He's not well schooled, give them time.

This is smartly said....

The Don and the Coach love this kid....

He just needs time

We are winning and all Knick fans can talk about is the next trade!!

Back in the day we rooted for our team...... Then when we made trade
we started giving opinions bout them!!

Starks rode bench early .... As did Mason ( Randolph can play his role on this team )
Jermaine Oneal rode pine 4 years in Portland.....
It happens!! ..... But being premature and just trading to trade makes no sense.

AR is not in Dog House he is just odd man out

When he got to play he didn't perform up to his standards and got
hurt.... Not to mention kid missed a lot of time last year with injury.

He will learn his role and get his chance once we feel comfy with him'
in this offense.....

Word is he has been playing really well in practice so it's just a matter of time!!

Bippity10 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Mike said "if he don't turn it around".

He had great opportunity and other guys are better. When he is better than them , he'll play. Williams jumped over him and Walker. If we not winning it might be different.

Mike never said "if he don't turn it around"

Mike said " I'm pretty SURE AR will get his chance. He is too talented not to"

TMS wrote:

rvwink wrote:From what Don Nelson said previously, this is the same argument he had with AR. Both coaches wanted him to forget about his offense and primarily supply rebounding and interior defense for the Knicks. Randolph has this vision of himself being a complete player, and last year he wasn't willing to play a limited role, and stop doing what he thought he could do on offense. Mike, too, is telling him that if he wants to get on the court, he needs to be willing to become a defensive role player first. Is Randolph going to come to his senses, or is he going to sit on the bench and stew. Its seems a battle of wills between a coach who doesn't want to waste offensive possessions on Randolph, and Randolph who doesn't want to accept limitations on how he can play on the court. (Why should I only be allowed to show them half of my game?)

this is very feasable... MDA wants him to play like Jared Jefferies & AR envisions himself as being much more... it's hard to blame AR for not wanting to limit himself when he does have the skills to do much more than just being a Fishlips type role player, but he's got to realize he needs to win MDA's trust first by playing the way he wants him to play before he can expect to get the opportunity to play the way he wants to play himself... hopefully things resolve themselves as the season goes along.

This is an interesting thought. AR does need to throw himself into the defensive fray. If he shows that he's a stopper on defense, then you can overlook some of his mental lapses. JJ used to throw up 3 pointers all the time, much to the dismay of everyone but the opponents. The more he can contribute on the defensive end, the longer he'll be on court. A few rebounds wouldn't hurt his cause either.