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Do we need Melo? Yes or No!
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crzymdups
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12/11/2010  10:20 PM
i think a lineup of:

Felton
Fields
Melo
Amar'e
good defensive center

is a championship contender. I mean, let's be real.

We need another guy who can create his own shot. Melo excels at that. Our offense has looked good against the lowerhalf of the NBA - but those teams don't play in the playoffs.

I'd love to get Melo. I'd rather be patient and not trade the farm to get him. But I'd love to get him somehow.

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12/11/2010  10:31 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
TMS wrote:
rvwink wrote:If the Knicks are really negotiating with Houston to trade Randolph for a first round pick, it would appear that Walsh has already been negotiating with Denver and thinks he knows about how much they want.

i'm willing to bet if we end up trading AR to HOU for their 1st round pick, that pick along w/Gallo & Wilson gets sent to DEN in a deal for Melo.


I don't know if the Knicks get Melo without giving up Fields. Also if Randolph goes to Houston I think he will finally get a chance to show why he was a lottery pick. I think Adelman will help him a lot.

i think ur right... AR would probably blow up on a team where he gets a real opportunity to play consistent minutes... w/Carl Landry now out of Houston i think AR could carve out a nice little niche for himself in their rotation... as for Fields, i don't know if DW would include him at this point... he's shown himself to be the type of player that MDA loves... i simply don't buy the idea that DW would give up all 4 of Gallo, Wilson, AR & Fields in an effort to get Melo to NY.

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12/11/2010  10:36 PM
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
TMS wrote:
rvwink wrote:If the Knicks are really negotiating with Houston to trade Randolph for a first round pick, it would appear that Walsh has already been negotiating with Denver and thinks he knows about how much they want.

i'm willing to bet if we end up trading AR to HOU for their 1st round pick, that pick along w/Gallo & Wilson gets sent to DEN in a deal for Melo.


I don't know if the Knicks get Melo without giving up Fields. Also if Randolph goes to Houston I think he will finally get a chance to show why he was a lottery pick. I think Adelman will help him a lot.

i think ur right... AR would probably blow up on a team where he gets a real opportunity to play consistent minutes... w/Carl Landry now out of Houston i think AR could carve out a nice little niche for himself in their rotation... as for Fields, i don't know if DW would include him at this point... he's shown himself to be the type of player that MDA loves... i simply don't buy the idea that DW would give up all 4 of Gallo, Wilson, AR & Fields in an effort to get Melo to NY.


Last years Houston trade is what makes me nervous. I am not sure if Walsh has autonomy although he would never say he didn't. Dolan is a star chaser. I am not sure how hands off he is. Hopefully the success of this years team has shown him that Walsh knows what he is doing and should be allowed to do his job. I agree that Walsh would not give up all four for Melo.
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12/11/2010  10:45 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
TMS wrote:
rvwink wrote:If the Knicks are really negotiating with Houston to trade Randolph for a first round pick, it would appear that Walsh has already been negotiating with Denver and thinks he knows about how much they want.

i'm willing to bet if we end up trading AR to HOU for their 1st round pick, that pick along w/Gallo & Wilson gets sent to DEN in a deal for Melo.


I don't know if the Knicks get Melo without giving up Fields. Also if Randolph goes to Houston I think he will finally get a chance to show why he was a lottery pick. I think Adelman will help him a lot.

i think ur right... AR would probably blow up on a team where he gets a real opportunity to play consistent minutes... w/Carl Landry now out of Houston i think AR could carve out a nice little niche for himself in their rotation... as for Fields, i don't know if DW would include him at this point... he's shown himself to be the type of player that MDA loves... i simply don't buy the idea that DW would give up all 4 of Gallo, Wilson, AR & Fields in an effort to get Melo to NY.


Last years Houston trade is what makes me nervous. I am not sure if Walsh has autonomy although he would never say he didn't. Dolan is a star chaser. I am not sure how hands off he is. Hopefully the success of this years team has shown him that Walsh knows what he is doing and should be allowed to do his job. I agree that Walsh would not give up all four for Melo.

Dolan is definitely pushing for Melo to NY, there's no doubt about it... i agree w/u i hope Dolan has enough sense to let DW handle this... the team looks better than they have in 10 years right now, it would be crazy to give up all 4 of those kids for any player short of Lebron or Dwight Howard.

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12/11/2010  11:42 PM
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orangeblobman wrote:We do not need Melo. 7 in a row and 15-9 after a 3-8 start, that's 12-1 if you chop that wack start off. That's hot team there.

Let Gallo and the young guys grow barnacles over Amar'e and mold into the reef that is the Knicks.

against mediocre teams in the NBA, no we absolutely do not need Melo... but when you have to go up against teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Heat, Magic, etc. in a best of 7 playoff series, it's a different story... if u consider adding a top scoring wing to a dominant low post bigman, a very good PG & a nice supporting cast of role players, u are starting to put together a viable championship calibre roster.

Against elite teams in the nba, players that don't defend that shoot a high volume at lower percentage are disastrous.

You need leadership, rebounding, toughness, and outside shooting.

Carmelo doesn't give any of those.

Rose is not the answer.
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12/11/2010  11:44 PM
knickstorrents wrote:
TMS wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:We do not need Melo. 7 in a row and 15-9 after a 3-8 start, that's 12-1 if you chop that wack start off. That's hot team there.

Let Gallo and the young guys grow barnacles over Amar'e and mold into the reef that is the Knicks.

against mediocre teams in the NBA, no we absolutely do not need Melo... but when you have to go up against teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Heat, Magic, etc. in a best of 7 playoff series, it's a different story... if u consider adding a top scoring wing to a dominant low post bigman, a very good PG & a nice supporting cast of role players, u are starting to put together a viable championship calibre roster.

Against elite teams in the nba, players that don't defend that shoot a high volume at lower percentage are disastrous.

You need leadership, rebounding, toughness, and outside shooting.

Carmelo doesn't give any of those.

under that logic, having Kevin Durant on your team would be disastrous this year.

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12/12/2010  1:48 AM
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:We do not need Melo. 7 in a row and 15-9 after a 3-8 start, that's 12-1 if you chop that wack start off. That's hot team there.

Let Gallo and the young guys grow barnacles over Amar'e and mold into the reef that is the Knicks.

against mediocre teams in the NBA, no we absolutely do not need Melo... but when you have to go up against teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Heat, Magic, etc. in a best of 7 playoff series, it's a different story... if u consider adding a top scoring wing to a dominant low post bigman, a very good PG & a nice supporting cast of role players, u are starting to put together a viable championship calibre roster.

IMO the only thing that DW is weighing is how much this is going to cost him. Not whether he should do it at all, but what's the best deal he can make. How does he hold on to more of his assets in the deal. I'm positive that he sees the value in adding Melo, but like any good GM he wants to get him for as little as possible.

i agree, which is why i think it's silly to discuss whether or not it's worth gutting our entire roster to get him... i don't think that's even a consideration in DW's mind at this point... he will put together a reasonable deal to get Melo & if DEN still refuses then he'll consider other options... there is nothing that DW has done as our GM that would lead me to believe he would completely gut our roster for any 1 player.

And1

This is how I hope it shakes out as well...

The one thing that makes me nervous, is waiting. I hate to be impatient after a decade of watching Weatherspoon, Eisley, Dunhon, Curry, Marbury, Shandon Anderson, and seventy-five h2o comebacks; but I worry that if we fall off and miss the playoffs. How much will Melo REALLY want to be here?

We trade now, while Denver is desperate to move him and we're hot. Should be a win-win, if Donnie plays it right.

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12/12/2010  1:55 AM
Damn, just read a thread with remarks about "trading while guys are hot"...

Little late to the party

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12/12/2010  2:47 PM
What interests me about the timing is that as well as the Knicks are currently playing without him, Melo has probably started day dreaming if he joined the Knicks in January, there could still be time for the Knicks to contend for a championship this season. I don't think it took the Celtics long to win a championship after the big three showed up.
Do we need Melo? Yes or No!

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