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scoshin
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12/10/2010  4:09 PM
Gallo hasn't been as streaky of late, but I feel he misses more wide open threes than he should, especially for being our "sharpshooter" on the starting lineup. We get Gallo several wide open looks throughout a game (even Chandler has kicked it out to a wide open Gallo on his drives), and yet I don't have the same faith that he's going to make it at a decent clip like I did in previous seasons, or with H20. He just doesn't seem to be a good catch-and-shoot shooter. It's like he needs to hold the ball for 3 seconds in isolation before he can launch a well-aimed 3.
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12/10/2010  4:15 PM
scoshin wrote:Gallo hasn't been as streaky of late, but I feel he misses more wide open threes than he should, especially for being our "sharpshooter" on the starting lineup. We get Gallo several wide open looks throughout a game (even Chandler has kicked it out to a wide open Gallo on his drives), and yet I don't have the same faith that he's going to make it at a decent clip like I did in previous seasons, or with H20. He just doesn't seem to be a good catch-and-shoot shooter. It's like he needs to hold the ball for 3 seconds in isolation before he can launch a well-aimed 3.

Agreed and I think these are things that he needs to work on. Although I dont' seem to be all that concerned that he's going to get better at it.

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12/10/2010  4:18 PM
scoshin wrote:Gallo hasn't been as streaky of late, but I feel he misses more wide open threes than he should, especially for being our "sharpshooter" on the starting lineup. We get Gallo several wide open looks throughout a game (even Chandler has kicked it out to a wide open Gallo on his drives), and yet I don't have the same faith that he's going to make it at a decent clip like I did in previous seasons, or with H20. He just doesn't seem to be a good catch-and-shoot shooter. It's like he needs to hold the ball for 3 seconds in isolation before he can launch a well-aimed 3.

I don't know about the holding the ball thing. I notice that when he gets the ball about chest high his shot is much better, but many times he's getting a low pass and it changes the way he takes his shot. I simply feel he's doing something wrong in his form. I notice that his shot seems flatter at times. He's never really off by much, so I think it's a technical issue. He'll fix it eventually.

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12/10/2010  5:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2010  5:19 PM
Take shots? I don't like him? Man, this is why I refrain from posting as much as I do.

All I said was Chandler's strength is not 3-point shooting and I am being insulted for something that is a fact.

The point was that Chandler is not the smartest of basketball players. He is a nice player but not a star like Briggs was making him out to be. But his lapse in on-court judgment will limit his ability to be great.

Whatever, I give up. You win. I don't know basketball.

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12/10/2010  6:52 PM
Vmart wrote:
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Childs2Dudley wrote:I’m taking into account that a career 30% 3 point shooter should not be taking 5 3’s a game. A 12 game sample size will not change my opinion.

Chandler can be a great player with improved shot selection and better awareness of his strengths on the court. 3-point shooting is not his strength. Not to the point of taking 5 a game.

Chandler has a great IQ of the game that is why he is so versatile. His percentage is on the rise close to 47% fg his three point shooting is improved yet you find enough room to take shots at the third best player on the team. He takes to many threes not when he is basically shooting the same percentage as the others on the team. The three pointer is part of MDA system which I don't agree with but that is the system the Knicks use. You are taking in to account his career three point Percentage. Aren't young players suppose to get better with their shooting with time in the NBA. Now Chandler is showing that he has improved that facet of his game why go back and look at the past just look at what is in front of you today. If you go back into a players past and early stages of development you will always almost always find faults. What do you say for Durant's piss poor three point percentage or Kobe's for that matter at this time. Sorry man but you seem to have sour grapes over Chandler the man is producing in front of your eyes and you are going into his past to dig up past dirt. It just means you don't like him, say what you feel don't dance around what you feel.

The theme of his post is correct--the team has a much better attitude--but the players he mentions Turriaf Mason Msgov Rautins collectively arent half of the value of Wilson Chandler.

I agree with you Briggs the team has had an attitude adjustment, but it means nothing to point it out if the credit isn't given to an integral part of the attitude adjustment. Chandler is every bit as responsible for the new state of the Knicks yet he isn't given the credit deserved to him. That to me is an injustice done to Chandler and his dedicated efforts given by him. Like you said if C2D is giving credit to Mason, Mozgov, Rautins and basically everyone else why leave Chandler off the list.

Totally with you on this. No idea why Chandler gets criticized like this. Guy is playing solid ball, is shooting a high percentage overall tries hard on defense and costs very little. We should count our blessings the dudes on the team.

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12/11/2010  8:00 PM
Attitude

"I don't look at it as no test," Felton said. "I look at it as another game. We're just coming out to play basketball. It's no test. Just trying to get us another win, trying to keep the streak going."

"We look forward to proving ourselves for this tough week," Danilo Gallinari said. "It means a lot for our confidence, but we are taking it game-by-game and day-by-day. We're not thinking about just this week. It's a long season."

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12/11/2010  8:39 PM
misterearl wrote:Attitude

"I don't look at it as no test," Felton said. "I look at it as another game. We're just coming out to play basketball. It's no test. Just trying to get us another win, trying to keep the streak going."

"We look forward to proving ourselves for this tough week," Danilo Gallinari said. "It means a lot for our confidence, but we are taking it game-by-game and day-by-day. We're not thinking about just this week. It's a long season."

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12/11/2010  10:21 PM
BlueSeats wrote:At 23 Chandler still has a lot of upside. I don't think we'll see radical improvements to his game, but I do expect we'll see the subtle adjustments in IQ and experience that we're looking for. All-star? Probably not, but a solid, trustworthy rotation guy, yeah.
I agree but I think he makes the all star team a couple of times especially if the Knicks are making the playoffs. For what its worth his numbers are not far off from Rudy Gay's and he is very young.
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12/11/2010  10:44 PM
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BlueSeats wrote:At 23 Chandler still has a lot of upside. I don't think we'll see radical improvements to his game, but I do expect we'll see the subtle adjustments in IQ and experience that we're looking for. All-star? Probably not, but a solid, trustworthy rotation guy, yeah.
I agree but I think he makes the all star team a couple of times especially if the Knicks are making the playoffs. For what its worth his numbers are not far off from Rudy Gay's and he is very young.

You're right, he very well could. But our pace does tend to inflate stats. Meaning, I suspect Gay would put up the same pretty much anywhere, not so sure about Chandler. While he could "make it" I guess I just don't see him ever being an elite player who carries a team.

In any case, all I was trying to suggest was that even without major improvements he's a really nice component. I look at Wilson as one of the bright spots of the year and he's only getting better.

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12/11/2010  10:53 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Take shots? I don't like him? Man, this is why I refrain from posting as much as I do.

All I said was Chandler's strength is not 3-point shooting and I am being insulted for something that is a fact.

The point was that Chandler is not the smartest of basketball players. He is a nice player but not a star like Briggs was making him out to be. But his lapse in on-court judgment will limit his ability to be great.

Whatever, I give up. You win. I don't know basketball.

Honestly, Chandler is doing his thing. Better than just about ever. Will he improve if he goes for more drives? Absolutely. Can he be an all star? If he or Gallo decide to make driving to the hoop their 1# option(from coming off of picks, baseline drives and diagonal cuts into the paint) or just taking their man off the drible, whoever does it first will make the all-star. Gallo has the advantage of the unorthodox style, along with a better free throw and 3 point %.Better not trade him. Chandler has better blocking, athleticism to finish inside and a faster (not necessarily better) drive to the paint. So yes, Chandler taking it inside = win. Foe gallo it could become a go to move as well

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12/12/2010  12:14 AM
The same people who choose to demean Wilson Chandler for his so-called "basketball IQ" forget that he is only 23 years old. HIs decision making, like any 23 year old, can be questioned because he is far from perfect. However, he draws some of the toughest defensive assignments in the league.

This week he will have shifts guarding Kenyon Martin, Kevin Garnett and some dude named Lebron James.

For all the focus on his decisions on offense, his turnovers are minimal and he finishes strong at the rack. You do NOT see guys blocking his shot. Ever.

The Mayor is so smooth that one forgets he measures the same as Charles Oakley in his prime at 6'8, 240.

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12/12/2010  12:26 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
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Childs2Dudley wrote:Forget about the victories we have had. The one thing I notice is the collective attitude of the team. No complacency, no controversy, no guys in the locker room with their own agendas. Everyone is team-first, at least for now.

Outside of the obvious choices like Felton and Amare as leaders, I think guys like Turiaf and Roger Mason are very positive influences in the locker room. Mason may suck but he has been an ultimate pro. He could have cried his way out like Hughes for example. He's supporting the team and being a good veteran mentor we need on this young team. Turiaf, of course, is constant energy and just an all-around positive guy that we badly needed.

Don't discount having hard-working young guys like Fields, Rautins and Mozgov either.

Then you have holdovers like Gallo and Douglas who are dying to win.

The only negative is Curry but thankfully he's not part of the team anymore. Just seeing him on my TV screen evokes bad memories.

This is the first time in a long time I can say that I love this team. These group of guys are guys you can root for. Skillset aside, they truly care about the team and about winning and I don't think I have seen that here since the Sprewell days.

You are missing S Williams who sems to be coming back from the abyss and Will Chandler--who is the best young player we have and has all star potential. I don't see A Randolph causing any stirs either while eating some humble pie. That being said we need a bench upgrade!

I don't know what you see in Wilson Chandler.

Chandler does not have star potential because he has a poor basketball IQ. This is what hinders him from taking the next step. His decision-making on the court is below average to bad. The fact that he takes 5 3-pointers a game with that 3-point % tells you that he is not the smartest of players. This guy should be driving primarily all game because he is successful at it.

I like Wilson but it's hard supporting a guy who makes so many maddening errors.

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We must not be watching the same Knicks games. He is by far the best defender on this team and he is a future allstar weather you like it or not. Just like David Lee Chandler will get paid if not by New York by some other team. And why will he get paid?? Because of how he plays his game.

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12/12/2010  1:36 AM
BlueSeats wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:At 23 Chandler still has a lot of upside. I don't think we'll see radical improvements to his game, but I do expect we'll see the subtle adjustments in IQ and experience that we're looking for. All-star? Probably not, but a solid, trustworthy rotation guy, yeah.
I agree but I think he makes the all star team a couple of times especially if the Knicks are making the playoffs. For what its worth his numbers are not far off from Rudy Gay's and he is very young.

You're right, he very well could. But our pace does tend to inflate stats. Meaning, I suspect Gay would put up the same pretty much anywhere, not so sure about Chandler. While he could "make it" I guess I just don't see him ever being an elite player who carries a team.

In any case, all I was trying to suggest was that even without major improvements he's a really nice component. I look at Wilson as one of the bright spots of the year and he's only getting better.

Rudy Gay is just the more hyped player imo... Chandler can hang with him, punch for punch.

Far less mins (33/41) and fga's (13.5/17) per game, yet still puts up similar or better all-around numbers.

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12/12/2010  3:29 AM
scoshin wrote:Gallo hasn't been as streaky of late, but I feel he misses more wide open threes than he should, especially for being our "sharpshooter" on the starting lineup. We get Gallo several wide open looks throughout a game (even Chandler has kicked it out to a wide open Gallo on his drives), and yet I don't have the same faith that he's going to make it at a decent clip like I did in previous seasons, or with H20. He just doesn't seem to be a good catch-and-shoot shooter. It's like he needs to hold the ball for 3 seconds in isolation before he can launch a well-aimed 3.

You're right. I see guys like Kyle Korver and even our Bill Walker (and Shawne Williams now), they seem to be pretty automatic when they are wide open. Gallinari... his shot will hit the rim but will go out many times, even when he's wide open.

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12/12/2010  11:44 AM
knickstorrents wrote:
scoshin wrote:Gallo hasn't been as streaky of late, but I feel he misses more wide open threes than he should, especially for being our "sharpshooter" on the starting lineup. We get Gallo several wide open looks throughout a game (even Chandler has kicked it out to a wide open Gallo on his drives), and yet I don't have the same faith that he's going to make it at a decent clip like I did in previous seasons, or with H20. He just doesn't seem to be a good catch-and-shoot shooter. It's like he needs to hold the ball for 3 seconds in isolation before he can launch a well-aimed 3.

You're right. I see guys like Kyle Korver and even our Bill Walker (and Shawne Williams now), they seem to be pretty automatic when they are wide open. Gallinari... his shot will hit the rim but will go out many times, even when he's wide open.

Come on. You're questioning the Gallinari's sharpshooting credentials? The guy hit 186 trey buckets on 38% last season. Korver shot 35% a few times in his career. Gallo is one of the best shooters in the league, he's just finding his stride.

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12/12/2010  11:49 AM
orangeblobman wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
scoshin wrote:Gallo hasn't been as streaky of late, but I feel he misses more wide open threes than he should, especially for being our "sharpshooter" on the starting lineup. We get Gallo several wide open looks throughout a game (even Chandler has kicked it out to a wide open Gallo on his drives), and yet I don't have the same faith that he's going to make it at a decent clip like I did in previous seasons, or with H20. He just doesn't seem to be a good catch-and-shoot shooter. It's like he needs to hold the ball for 3 seconds in isolation before he can launch a well-aimed 3.

You're right. I see guys like Kyle Korver and even our Bill Walker (and Shawne Williams now), they seem to be pretty automatic when they are wide open. Gallinari... his shot will hit the rim but will go out many times, even when he's wide open.

Come on. You're questioning the Gallinari's sharpshooting credentials? The guy hit 186 trey buckets on 38% last season. Korver shot 35% a few times in his career. Gallo is one of the best shooters in the league, he's just finding his stride.


At some point Gallo is gonna get his shot fixed and go on a tear. He's gonna get hot, it's just a matter of time. He's so close on so many of his shots, that it leads me to believe he's got some technical problem with his shot. Some small thing he's a little off on. He'll figure it out.
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12/12/2010  11:55 AM
nixluva wrote:
orangeblobman wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
scoshin wrote:Gallo hasn't been as streaky of late, but I feel he misses more wide open threes than he should, especially for being our "sharpshooter" on the starting lineup. We get Gallo several wide open looks throughout a game (even Chandler has kicked it out to a wide open Gallo on his drives), and yet I don't have the same faith that he's going to make it at a decent clip like I did in previous seasons, or with H20. He just doesn't seem to be a good catch-and-shoot shooter. It's like he needs to hold the ball for 3 seconds in isolation before he can launch a well-aimed 3.

You're right. I see guys like Kyle Korver and even our Bill Walker (and Shawne Williams now), they seem to be pretty automatic when they are wide open. Gallinari... his shot will hit the rim but will go out many times, even when he's wide open.

Come on. You're questioning the Gallinari's sharpshooting credentials? The guy hit 186 trey buckets on 38% last season. Korver shot 35% a few times in his career. Gallo is one of the best shooters in the league, he's just finding his stride.


At some point Gallo is gonna get his shot fixed and go on a tear. He's gonna get hot, it's just a matter of time. He's so close on so many of his shots, that it leads me to believe he's got some technical problem with his shot. Some small thing he's a little off on. He'll figure it out.

If you take off the first three games of the season, he's shooting 39.8% trey buckets on the year.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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