like bip pointed out in previous post, thats a healthy competition. it will get gallo going. i saw gallo last game trying to play more aggressive, he's getting the message, he's up for the challenge.

cheers wrote:agreed, you dont sit gallo in favor of chandler. too easy. gallo would be like ok i understand he is better than me. doesnt motivate gallo to try harder. now you let mr. williams eat into gallo's minutes. i can see gallo reaction being him gtfo time to bring the cream and pipe these cannolis!

like bip pointed out in previous post, thats a healthy competition. it will get gallo going. i saw gallo last game trying to play more aggressive, he's getting the message, he's up for the challenge.

gallo seems to play more aggressive when the opposing forward is kicking his ass and talking trash. I agree, that I think Williams eating into his minutes will have a similar effect. Here's rooting for both of them.

Bippity10 wrote:

Who is anchoring that 2nd unit?

I don't realy get the concept of why there needs to be a "second unit".
Don't the guys on the bench mix-n-match with the starters to form some spectrum of units?
You don't sit all the starters, and bring in the second team.

You play your best 5, or the 5 that play best together to start, then sub as necessary.
Doesn't mean you don't have any anchors from the first five playing with the subs.
Starters play around 30-38 mins each. They don't have to be out at the same time.

Panos wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Who is anchoring that 2nd unit?

I don't realy get the concept of why there needs to be a "second unit".
Don't the guys on the bench mix-n-match with the starters to form some spectrum of units?
You don't sit all the starters, and bring in the second team.

You play your best 5, or the 5 that play best together to start, then sub as necessary.
Doesn't mean you don't have any anchors from the first five playing with the subs.
Starters play around 30-38 mins each. They don't have to be out at the same time.

YOu typically bring in your 2nd unit at designated periods of time. Typical, but not always, in the NBa is to bring in sub one around 5 minutes remaining in the first. Subs 2 and 3 with about 3 minutes. And if you use a sub 4 they might come in for the start of the second. At some point the majority of your starting unit is on the bench so that you can give them a good stretch of rest. Now we go 8 or 9 deep, so yes you will always have a starter out there, but there is still a "second unit". The star of that second unit will be combining with that starter to provide a second fiddle to keep the offense moving. If you have a bunch of guys in your second unit shooting 38% then they are just going to double the starter and force all your poor shooters to beat them. Now game circumstances will change all of this. But normally at some point you will have 3 to 4 and if you are deep 5 bench players on the court at the same time. It really helps your starters rest if one of those guys can carry the 2nd unit

I put the stat up about a week ago. With Chandler in the second unit we were outscoring opponents 188-185 or something like that. Without Chandler our bench was being outscored by triple. That has a major effect on the outcome of the game.

Bippity10 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Wilson Chandler should start and Gallo with his 39% shooting needs to come off the bench. Chandler should get 35+ minutes a night are you guys looking at the numbers he putting up when he gets the minutes he has what Gallo lacks consistency he has figured it out and his numbers are getting better and better. He has upped his FG% his three point FG%. If anything Gallo might benefit from coming off the bench in a Crawford like role where he is free to jack shots up.

So your bench is now

Gallo 39%
Douglas 40%(around 5 points a game when Chandler starts)
Mozgov 37%
Shawne Williams-hasn't played in a year

Who is anchoring that 2nd unit?

We really need to stop looking at it as a demotion and look at it as balancing the team. Minutes are minutes. If you get 30+ minutes a game it doesn't matter if they announced your name at the beginning of the game or not. It simply doesn't mean anything against the player going to the bench.

You put the best possible starting lineup out there to make sure you get a good start. No point digging into a hole and then trying to work back from it. Having Chandler in the starting line up does just that gives the Knicks the best starting lineup to start out fast.

Rigth, but your "most talented line-up" does not always equal your "best starting line-up". YOur goal as a coach is balance. You want to start the game well, and then have no significant drop off when your second unit comes in. By having Gallon shooting 39%, Mozgov 37%, Douglas 40%, Williams coming into his own you are asking for a drop off.

Bip is always right. Chandler brings consistency off the bench, and that's very valuable. He can also sub in for more positions than Gallo. Also valuable off the bench.

It's not like Turiaf starting has hurt us (well, except in that Milwaukee game). I like that we set a defensive tone to start the game with Amare/Turiaf in the 1st/3rd, and once our juices are flowing and we got our rhythm going, we sub in Chandler as we usually do for Turiaf, and go into our small ball attack mode. By that 6-8th minute, the lumbering, slow-footed opposing centers will be too winded to really keep up with our small ball of Chandler/Amare, and would be forced to sub out. And this way, we also don't risk falling behind early like we did against Minnesota where they just kept attacking us in the paint (their first 5 buckets were in the paint I believe).

scoshin wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Wilson Chandler should start and Gallo with his 39% shooting needs to come off the bench. Chandler should get 35+ minutes a night are you guys looking at the numbers he putting up when he gets the minutes he has what Gallo lacks consistency he has figured it out and his numbers are getting better and better. He has upped his FG% his three point FG%. If anything Gallo might benefit from coming off the bench in a Crawford like role where he is free to jack shots up.

So your bench is now

Gallo 39%
Douglas 40%(around 5 points a game when Chandler starts)
Mozgov 37%
Shawne Williams-hasn't played in a year

Who is anchoring that 2nd unit?

We really need to stop looking at it as a demotion and look at it as balancing the team. Minutes are minutes. If you get 30+ minutes a game it doesn't matter if they announced your name at the beginning of the game or not. It simply doesn't mean anything against the player going to the bench.

You put the best possible starting lineup out there to make sure you get a good start. No point digging into a hole and then trying to work back from it. Having Chandler in the starting line up does just that gives the Knicks the best starting lineup to start out fast.

Rigth, but your "most talented line-up" does not always equal your "best starting line-up". YOur goal as a coach is balance. You want to start the game well, and then have no significant drop off when your second unit comes in. By having Gallon shooting 39%, Mozgov 37%, Douglas 40%, Williams coming into his own you are asking for a drop off.

Bip is always right. Chandler brings consistency off the bench, and that's very valuable. He can also sub in for more positions than Gallo. Also valuable off the bench.

It's not like Turiaf starting has hurt us (well, except in that Milwaukee game). I like that we set a defensive tone to start the game with Amare/Turiaf in the 1st/3rd, and once our juices are flowing and we got our rhythm going, we sub in Chandler as we usually do for Turiaf, and go into our small ball attack mode. By that 6-8th minute, the lumbering, slow-footed opposing centers will be too winded to really keep up with our small ball of Chandler/Amare, and would be forced to sub out. And this way, we also don't risk falling behind early like we did against Minnesota where they just kept attacking us in the paint (their first 5 buckets were in the paint I believe).

Another thing. Amare or Turiaf gets into foul trouble or the offense is stagnant and off the bench bounces instant offense and energy Wilson Chandler. Now reverse that. Now, say that Wilson or Amare gets in foul trouble or the energy is low, and off the bench comes passive Danilo or no offense Turiaf.

Point is that, since we got Mozgov out of the starting lineup we have won whether it was Turiaf or Wilson. Neither line-up is wrong at this point until proven wrong. But what I saw last night is the possibility that the bigger and better teams that are coming to our schedule soon may exploit us inside just like Minny did last night

Vmart wrote:If it not considered a demotion than Gallo is going to a good place for him. Gets to come off the bench and fire away.

The role of the 6th man in dantonis offense is to provide scoring and energy off the bench(al harrington, nate, leandro barbosa). Wilson fits this role well. He also shotts 46% and can provide consistency. Gallo is an inconsistent shooter, scorer and alternates between being aggressive and when and passive. We don't want passivity in that role

When the best one can do is expect things to go wrong, it is difficult to let go of the past

What happened to playing 'em one game at a time?