TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

scoshin wrote:I've only seen like 6 Memphis games since Mayo's been drafted. From what I've seen, he has a silky smooth jumper that he can nail as a spot-up shooter and off the dribble pullup. Outside of that, he seemed to pick his spots well and not force it like other low IQ players we have.

But the fact that a former #3 pick has fallen out of favor in Memphis makes me wonder what the warning signs are. Defense? IQ? Delusions of stardom?

This has nothing to do with Mayo. It has everything to do with their lineup.

Randolph - Scorer
Gay - Scorer
Mayo - Shooter
Conley - Scorer masquerading as a PG

Gay makes the max and Conley just got a big contract. They arent sending those guys to the bench.

Mayo's FG % is way down... less than 40% on the year... doesn't seem like he's taken to a reduced role all that well... i dunno if we'd see any improvement if he had the same role here... do we put Fields on the bench if we make this trade? i'm not so sure that's in our best interests either at this point.

It is a combination of things. He knows they arent going to pay him when his contract is up. Gasol needs to get paid this summer. Randolph wants and extension too. No money left for Mayo.

I assume his stats are down because he carries the scoring load in the 2nd unit. Less open shots off kick outs from Gasol and Randolph. Plus less wide open shots in general.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:i really like OJ Mayo & wanted us to draft him as a rookie when he was in the draft & have wanted us to trade for him ever since... but i have no idea what to expect when he gets here in terms of how he'll mesh w/this head coach... trying to predict what players will get on MDA's good side is like trying to predict the lottery #'s sometimes.

This comment is out of line. You are saying that Mike's decisions aren't based on BB but in some way are a Petty personality issue. STOP IT! You keep trying to pretend that you aren't being biased and then you post BS statements like this.

i don't see how it's out of line... when i assume that only hard working players will win playing time in MDA's system but Toney Douglas who probably worked harder than any player on the roster last year couldn't see any playing time until DW started to travel w/the team it puzzles me.

u must be related to MDA to take such personal offense whenever i make a comment about MDA... if it offends u so much i would suggest u put me on ignore & stop trying to get me to conform to the way you would like me to post.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:i really like OJ Mayo & wanted us to draft him as a rookie when he was in the draft & have wanted us to trade for him ever since... but i have no idea what to expect when he gets here in terms of how he'll mesh w/this head coach... trying to predict what players will get on MDA's good side is like trying to predict the lottery #'s sometimes.

This comment is out of line. You are saying that Mike's decisions aren't based on BB but in some way are a Petty personality issue. STOP IT! You keep trying to pretend that you aren't being biased and then you post BS statements like this.

i don't see how it's out of line... when i assume that only hard working players will win playing time in MDA's system but Toney Douglas who probably worked harder than any player on the roster last year couldn't see any playing time until DW started to travel w/the team it puzzles me.

u must be related to MDA to take such personal offense whenever i make a comment about MDA... if it offends u so much i would suggest u put me on ignore & stop trying to get me to conform to the way you would like me to post.

how about performance too? Toney looked awful during both last year's and this year's SL running the point. Maybe he just wasn't there as a PG during an early part of the season.

In fact this year's biggest gripe is that Toney still has trouble running the offense, when there are so many big time pieces there that really really work.

It's not too hard to make that jump.

performance obviously has limited bearing on MDA's rotations otherwise Mozgov, Roberson & Bender would never have gotten playing time at all... i think it's very fair to assume there are personality issues that influence his decisions... the attitude during practice, or perhaps pre-game preparation or lack thereof, or maybe just the fact that certain guys rubbed him the wrong way behind the scenes... who knows what goes on? i don't think u can just relegate a lack of performance only to explain why MDA makes his decisions... there are clearly other varying factors that go into this, much of which may tie directly into personality conflicts w/the head coach.

scoshin wrote:I've only seen like 6 Memphis games since Mayo's been drafted. From what I've seen, he has a silky smooth jumper that he can nail as a spot-up shooter and off the dribble pullup. Outside of that, he seemed to pick his spots well and not force it like other low IQ players we have.

But the fact that a former #3 pick has fallen out of favor in Memphis makes me wonder what the warning signs are. Defense? IQ? Delusions of stardom?

But...what about Landry Fields? :( Does he slide to SF?

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:i really like OJ Mayo & wanted us to draft him as a rookie when he was in the draft & have wanted us to trade for him ever since... but i have no idea what to expect when he gets here in terms of how he'll mesh w/this head coach... trying to predict what players will get on MDA's good side is like trying to predict the lottery #'s sometimes.

This comment is out of line. You are saying that Mike's decisions aren't based on BB but in some way are a Petty personality issue. STOP IT! You keep trying to pretend that you aren't being biased and then you post BS statements like this.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:i really like OJ Mayo & wanted us to draft him as a rookie when he was in the draft & have wanted us to trade for him ever since... but i have no idea what to expect when he gets here in terms of how he'll mesh w/this head coach... trying to predict what players will get on MDA's good side is like trying to predict the lottery #'s sometimes.

This comment is out of line. You are saying that Mike's decisions aren't based on BB but in some way are a Petty personality issue. STOP IT! You keep trying to pretend that you aren't being biased and then you post BS statements like this.

I think that comment is dead on. A lot of talent and potential sat last year so the mature, character club with no upside could play and it didn't matter that the guys playing were not a part of the future, were not necessarily the most talented or gave the team the best chance to win.

Chandler and Gallo played a ton of minutes, who else are you referring to? Hill?

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

rvwink wrote:"trying to predict what players will get on MDA's good side is like trying to predict the lottery #'s sometimes."

Why is it that you are so fond of spouting nonsense. D'Antoni likes players who help him win. He doesn't like players who are not willing to put in the effort to learn how to play basketball for the Knicks the way he wants it played. D'Antoni uses sitting a player on the bench as the ultimate motivation to get a player to learn to do things right. So that is how you can accurately predict which players D'Antoni will like.

Wondering if you are going to continue using the nonsense about knowing who D'Antoni will like?

playing Bender & Roberson helped this team win the past 2 years? how exactly? please do explain... does playing Mozgov really help this team win or does this team win in spite of Mozgov getting minutes? i'd say it's the latter.

you have this weird anti-Bender thing going on, I have no idea why, and I think it's clouding your judgment over what actually happened during the season.

When Bender played, the Knicks winning percentage was SIGNIFICANTLY better than when he did not. The Knicks' best stretch of the season also coincided with the games that Bender had his most minutes played. Go look up the game logs. You can say that it was merely coincidental just as much as you could say that Bender had some impact on team performance.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=50

Roberson wasn't on Knicks last year. 2 years ago he got end of game minutes at most.

it's nothing against Bender, but it's just another one of the headscratching moves i've seen MDA make as head coach since he's been here.

btw martin, ur comment about the Knicks having a SIGNIFICANTLY better win % in games Bender played in last year is just plain false... Bender played in 25 games last year... the Knicks won 9 of them & lost 16... that equates to a .360 winning % (unless my math is off)... on the season the Knicks won at a .354 clip... as u can plainly see, playing him had pretty much zero effect on our wins & losses last year... i have argued numerous times that playing a guy like Bender who had no future on this squad, had 2 bum knees & wasn't helping us win games while letting a rookie who we had drafted #8 overall languish on our bench & destroying his confidence & trade value was not in the best interests of this franchise longterm... i think that is a pretty fair assessment personally.

& read my comment again, i said the past 2 years... yes, Roberson was getting garbage time minutes... but rvwink's argument is that MDA only plays guys that can help this team win games... my argument is that it's not plain black & white as some of you would suggest, that there are plenty of other factors that go into why certain players get minutes over others, & it doesn't always equate to their performance on the basketball court.

TMS wrote:

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

rvwink wrote:"trying to predict what players will get on MDA's good side is like trying to predict the lottery #'s sometimes."

Why is it that you are so fond of spouting nonsense. D'Antoni likes players who help him win. He doesn't like players who are not willing to put in the effort to learn how to play basketball for the Knicks the way he wants it played. D'Antoni uses sitting a player on the bench as the ultimate motivation to get a player to learn to do things right. So that is how you can accurately predict which players D'Antoni will like.

Wondering if you are going to continue using the nonsense about knowing who D'Antoni will like?

playing Bender & Roberson helped this team win the past 2 years? how exactly? please do explain... does playing Mozgov really help this team win or does this team win in spite of Mozgov getting minutes? i'd say it's the latter.

you have this weird anti-Bender thing going on, I have no idea why, and I think it's clouding your judgment over what actually happened during the season.

When Bender played, the Knicks winning percentage was SIGNIFICANTLY better than when he did not. The Knicks' best stretch of the season also coincided with the games that Bender had his most minutes played. Go look up the game logs. You can say that it was merely coincidental just as much as you could say that Bender had some impact on team performance.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=50

Roberson wasn't on Knicks last year. 2 years ago he got end of game minutes at most.

it's nothing against Bender, but it's just another one of the headscratching moves i've seen MDA make as head coach since he's been here.

btw martin, ur comment about the Knicks having a SIGNIFICANTLY better win % in games Bender played in last year is just plain false... Bender played in 25 games last year... the Knicks won 9 of them & lost 16... that equates to a .360 winning % (unless my math is off)... on the season the Knicks won at a .354 clip... as u can plainly see, playing him had pretty much zero effect on our wins & losses last year... i have argued numerous times that playing a guy like Bender who had no future on this squad, had 2 bum knees & wasn't helping us win games while letting a rookie who we had drafted #8 overall languish on our bench & destroying his confidence & trade value was not in the best interests of this franchise longterm... i think that is a pretty fair assessment personally.

& read my comment again, i said the past 2 years... yes, Roberson was getting garbage time minutes... but rvwink's argument is that MDA only plays guys that can help this team win games... my argument is that it's not plain black & white as some of you would suggest, that there are plenty of other factors that go into why certain players get minutes over others, & it doesn't always equate to their performance on the basketball court.

whoops, my numbers are off cause I was strictly thinking and looking and calculating for Dec and Jan of last year. Meant to qualify that time frame as that was when he played bulk of his games.

Strictly speaking, Knicks win % over whole year was significantly better without Bender than with: something like 36% vs 41%.