umynot wrote: These are the Facts!!..... Whats Denver record?..... How MUCH BETTER are they then us?

what's Miami's record?

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:

umynot wrote:

TMS wrote:

umynot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:if we can add another go to scorer i'd be perfectly fine with Felton as the starting PG... i think a Felton/Melo/Amare trio can be a nice foundation for us to build on.

how many 25 point nights do Chandler and Gallo have to put up before they are considered legit scoring options?

For real.......

Gallo was our go to guy at end of last year and has been proven he can score!

Chandler is averaging 18 points!

As third option....... Find another 3rd option player in the L that does that......And it was mostly off the bench!

Gallo is avg 15 as 4th option again not many teams have an option like that!!!! Not even the Lakers have 4 guys avging
15 points....

We have a good YOUNG team...... With 2 solid Vets one who is a top 10 player in NBA
We have played 19 games together and we will only continue to get better!!

I believe if we have 1 REAL need is a backup PG..... Or MAYO..... Who could start at SG or play minutes as PG
Felton is a bull but needs someone to spell him...... Rautins has not got a shot yet ....... Rubio would be great
as well IMO

I think as year goes we will see more of AR as well think we are just keeping his value down so we don't have to trade
him like we did with TD last year

we're talking about replacing a #3 option with a #1A or #1B... big upgrade... apples & oranges.

Ray Felton has proven he can be a great facilitator, but IMO this team still needs another go to scorer to be considered elite... especially during postseason play, plays regularly tend to break down & there is a lot of 1 on 1 that goes on... in crunchtime who would u rather have on your team? for me i'd take Melo everytime.

There is only ball.......
Ask Lecon how 1a & 1b works

In Boston Garnett scored 15 a game as third option...... WE DONT NEED MELO!!!

Lebron & Wade both need to dominate the ball to be at their best... Amare does not get his points in the same manner that Melo does... apples & oranges.

Garnett deferred much of his scoring when he joined the Celtics team & focused more on playing defense... he was the main cog in their championship puzzle... to dilute his value to that team & say he was simply a 3rd option is skewing the facts to suit your argument.

it is your opinion that we don't need Melo... i disagree w/u completely... i think this team needs another go to scorer like Melo if we ever want to be considered among the elite in the EC.

its not my opinion at all. None of the elite teams have Melo, and Melo has never been on an elite team only have advanced once. Therefore not needing Melo to be an elite team is actually a fact.

so let me get this straight, because Melo has only been able to get his team to advance once in the playoffs it means we don't need him to be an elite team... but somehow you think we can become an elite team if we go after guys like OJ Mayo & Marreese Speights & retain guys like Gallo & Anthony Randolph... lol... ok there dude.

tell the Celtics how KG could never have made them into an elite team because he was only able to get his T'Wolves team to advance once in the playoffs.

This is why your arguement sucks. You actually think and believe Melo is as good as KG was 4 years ago, and adding him will have a KG type effect. If that is what your expecting your sadly mistaken. They are NOT the same caliber player and never have been.

Your simply not looking at the facts. All you see is 2 stars + role players = elite team and thats simply not a given.

If Melo was Ron Artest on D and Marion on the board then I would be knocking on the door with a package of most every chip we have then try like hell to build a lineup around Felton/Melo/Amare.

The problem is he's NOT that good, and Denver HAS built a good team around him and he's PROVEN he's not the star you think he is.

TMS wrote:

umynot wrote: These are the Facts!!..... Whats Denver record?..... How MUCH BETTER are they then us?

what's Miami's record?

Miami is 2 games better then us!!..... Not saying much buddy...... We are young and need time.
They are expected to win it all!!! ( Which wont happen)

umynot wrote:Thing about Melo is he comes @ 20 million and giving up all our Young players!!!

However I think its just as likely that Gallo is Peja part II, Chandler is another Josh Smith, Douglas is Bobby JAckson, Randolph is Camby with a handle, etc etc etc

All those guys arent going to be great, but what good GMs is show patience and continue to develop good players and teams with fans like the Knicks wonder how these teams get these kinds of players.

We are playoff team and getting better all the time. There is no need to take over someone else's failed plan. Building around Melo = Denver's failed plan.

I think with a star quality SG and a quality role playing big - along with a steady backup PG, and we are ready to roll.

Too bad Queen James took his talents to South Beach because this team would be rocking if he was on it. Although would we have Felton if that happened? Not that I like Lebron, I am just saying it would have solidified the roster nicely.

Look at LA - Fisher isn't some crazy Nash like PG, he just knows how to deliver what the team needs and is clutch when he has to be. I think Felton can do that for us - he is not who I am worried about on this roster.

TMS wrote:& the reason your argument sucks is because you think Melo is an overrated player but hold Kevin Durant in a completely different regard... go compare their numbers this year & tell me again how Durant is in a different class... u have some obvious bias against Melo, i'm just going off the stats he's put up over his career... where did i say i believe Melo is as good as KG was 4 years ago? i pointed out the flaw in your OWN argument that because Melo never was able to get his team to advance in the playoffs that he can't make us an elite team, meanwhile you're pining for role player guys like OJ Mayo & Marreese Speights... please.... get a grip... you're the one not looking at the facts... adding 2 role players is not going to have the same impact that adding an elite scorer to this team will.

tell the Celtics how KG could never have made them into an elite team because he was only able to get his T'Wolves team to advance once in the playoffs.

As for Mayo and Speights? Those represent two things this team NEEDS. Another big banger upfront and a true shooter aside from Gallo who can also make plays and setup others for easy shots and most likely those guys wont cost us 3-4 rotation players.

I have ZERO non bias towards Melo. He's a great scorer. Something we HAVE ZERO PROBLEMS WITH. As I have mentioned the Knicks have 4 proven scorers who can drop 30 on you on any night and will. Amare/Felton/Gallo/Chandler have shown you cannot stick an average defender on them because they WILL light you up. But you ignore that and like to bring up some obscure point that has nothing to do with this discussion like Kevin Durant.

Your like Isiah wanting Melo. More talent + more scoring MUST = more wins right? WRONG

We have scoring, and that scoring is only going to get better with more experience.

If this was 1990 I would have traded EVERY PLAYER to have Carmello next to Ewing. I would have been happy to sign MLE players and use my crappy picks to put guys around those two. For 10 years those teams needed a guy like Melo, my god he would have been perfect.

These KNicks dont need Melo. They need size, playmaking, better shooting of the 3 and time to simply develop and improve.

OasisBU wrote:Yes but we need a 2 guard and a backup PG - and probably another big.

I think with a star quality SG and a quality role playing big - along with a steady backup PG, and we are ready to roll.

Too bad Queen James took his talents to South Beach because this team would be rocking if he was on it. Although would we have Felton if that happened? Not that I like Lebron, I am just saying it would have solidified the roster nicely.

Look at LA - Fisher isn't some crazy Nash like PG, he just knows how to deliver what the team needs and is clutch when he has to be. I think Felton can do that for us - he is not who I am worried about on this roster.

I think Lebron could See that too...... Him and Stat would be sick!!

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:& the reason your argument sucks is because you think Melo is an overrated player but hold Kevin Durant in a completely different regard... go compare their numbers this year & tell me again how Durant is in a different class... u have some obvious bias against Melo, i'm just going off the stats he's put up over his career... where did i say i believe Melo is as good as KG was 4 years ago? i pointed out the flaw in your OWN argument that because Melo never was able to get his team to advance in the playoffs that he can't make us an elite team, meanwhile you're pining for role player guys like OJ Mayo & Marreese Speights... please.... get a grip... you're the one not looking at the facts... adding 2 role players is not going to have the same impact that adding an elite scorer to this team will.

Who is talkin about Durant? How about sticking to the arguement at hand.

tell the Celtics how KG could never have made them into an elite team because he was only able to get his T'Wolves team to advance once in the playoffs.

thats you saying Den/Minn were similar situations. They werent. KG = MVP.

As for Mayo and Speights? Those represent two things this team NEEDS. Another big banger upfront and a true shooter aside from Gallo who can also make plays and setup others for easy shots and most likely those guys wont cost us 3-4 rotation players.

I have ZERO non bias towards Melo. He's a great scorer. Something we HAVE ZERO PROBLEMS WITH. As I have mentioned the Knicks have 4 proven scorers who can drop 30 on you on any night and will. Amare/Felton/Gallo/Chandler have shown you cannot stick an average defender on them because they WILL light you up. But you ignore that and like to bring up some obscure point that has nothing to do with this discussion like Kevin Durant.

Your like Isiah wanting Melo. More talent + more scoring MUST = more wins right? WRONG

We have scoring, and that scoring is only going to get better with more experience.

If this was 1990 I would have traded EVERY PLAYER to have Carmello next to Ewing. I would have been happy to sign MLE players and use my crappy picks to put guys around those two. For 10 years those teams needed a guy like Melo, my god he would have been perfect.

These KNicks dont need Melo. They need size, playmaking, better shooting of the 3 and time to simply develop and improve.

i bring up Durant because you're always telling me how Melo isn't in the same league... the numbers he's putting up this year don't do much for your argument, but if you wanna avoid that topic, that's fine.

as for wanting Melo on this team, i'm stating my reasons just like you're stating yours for not wanting him... you spout off like your opinion is fact... meanwhile you're telling me guys like Speights & Mayo would fill our needs & won't cost us 3-4 rotation players... so exactly what do u think it would take for us to acquire those guys? neither one of those guys are FA's this summer, so you're looking at having to trade away guys like Wilson, Gallo or AR to get your hands on them... so in your eyes, it's worth trading away our assets for them, but not for Melo... to me that's a whole lotta nonsense, but that's your opinion & you're entitled to it.

TMS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TMS wrote:& the reason your argument sucks is because you think Melo is an overrated player but hold Kevin Durant in a completely different regard... go compare their numbers this year & tell me again how Durant is in a different class... u have some obvious bias against Melo, i'm just going off the stats he's put up over his career... where did i say i believe Melo is as good as KG was 4 years ago? i pointed out the flaw in your OWN argument that because Melo never was able to get his team to advance in the playoffs that he can't make us an elite team, meanwhile you're pining for role player guys like OJ Mayo & Marreese Speights... please.... get a grip... you're the one not looking at the facts... adding 2 role players is not going to have the same impact that adding an elite scorer to this team will.

Who is talkin about Durant? How about sticking to the arguement at hand.

tell the Celtics how KG could never have made them into an elite team because he was only able to get his T'Wolves team to advance once in the playoffs.

thats you saying Den/Minn were similar situations. They werent. KG = MVP.

As for Mayo and Speights? Those represent two things this team NEEDS. Another big banger upfront and a true shooter aside from Gallo who can also make plays and setup others for easy shots and most likely those guys wont cost us 3-4 rotation players.

I have ZERO non bias towards Melo. He's a great scorer. Something we HAVE ZERO PROBLEMS WITH. As I have mentioned the Knicks have 4 proven scorers who can drop 30 on you on any night and will. Amare/Felton/Gallo/Chandler have shown you cannot stick an average defender on them because they WILL light you up. But you ignore that and like to bring up some obscure point that has nothing to do with this discussion like Kevin Durant.

Your like Isiah wanting Melo. More talent + more scoring MUST = more wins right? WRONG

We have scoring, and that scoring is only going to get better with more experience.

If this was 1990 I would have traded EVERY PLAYER to have Carmello next to Ewing. I would have been happy to sign MLE players and use my crappy picks to put guys around those two. For 10 years those teams needed a guy like Melo, my god he would have been perfect.

These KNicks dont need Melo. They need size, playmaking, better shooting of the 3 and time to simply develop and improve.

i bring up Durant because you're always telling me how Melo isn't in the same league... the numbers he's putting up this year don't do much for your argument, but if you wanna avoid that topic, that's fine.

as for wanting Melo on this team, i'm stating my reasons just like you're stating yours for not wanting him... you spout off like your opinion is fact... meanwhile you're telling me guys like Speights & Mayo would fill our needs & won't cost us 3-4 rotation players... so exactly what do u think it would take for us to acquire those guys? neither one of those guys are FA's this summer, so you're looking at having to trade away guys like Wilson, Gallo or AR to get your hands on them... so in your eyes, it's worth trading away our assets for them, but not for Melo... to me that's a whole lotta nonsense, but that's your opinion & you're entitled to it.

As for my opinion vs facts? The fact is scoring is NOT a problem for the Knicks. Thats a fact. Knicks are #4 in points scored, and spare me your fast pace arguement, because the Knicks are #2 in the NBA in points per possession.

That is a fact. That cannot be disputed. The Knicks are the 2nd best team in the league in scoring points for every possession (ironically Miami is #1). That tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about the Knicks.

So again.

Sticking with the facts.

What's going to make the Knicks better? Swapping out our balanced and the 2nd most effective scoring attack in the NBA (this is a FACT) for a guy who's first, second and third contributions are going to be scoring, scoring and them some scoring? Thats your solution to making the Knicks better?

Sorry dude... you can tell me to get a grip, and tell me to try to follow along till the bukkake dries on your floor but this team does not need a more potent scorer, no matter how big a star you think he is.

Knicks need help in rebounding, opposing FG%, opposing PPS.

Just watch the games man... we need stoppers and glass cleaners.

Facts: Knicks #2 in PPS (points per possession). When we have the ball we score points. Knicks are #4 in the NBA in FT attempts. We dont just chuck 3's, we kill you in the paint and draw fouls.

Pretty obvious what we need. Melo aint it.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

markvmc wrote:Those don't count until they do it in another team's uniform.

clearly

Hey, I like Gallo and Wilson... but for me, they don't count AS MUCH until they do it in a game like that Atlanta game or maybe in New Orleans.

Do it against a good team. Beat quality teams. Create their own shot when the defense clamps down.

I am opposed to trading half the team for Melo, but I'm not opposed to adding him in FA. I think the guy adds an element that can't be re-created by matching his point total. Adding Melo over Wilson/Gallo is like upgrading from DLee to Amare. There's a superstar element - an ability to make any shot he wants - an ability to have the other team playing on its heels and reeling.

Adding Melo to a core of Amar'e/Felton/Fields/Wilson/Turiaf would be incredible. We would be a 55-60 win team, IMHO and instant contenders.

Is Paul Pierce going to shut down Melo? I don't think so. is the trio of Wade/Bron/Bosh better than Felton/Melo/Amare? maybe, but Felton/Melo/Amare all complement one another pretty damn nicely and if we don't gut our team to make a trade, we'll have a FAAAAAAAR better core around those three than Miami can literally EVER dream of.

tough one... Need to see more of this team as constructed. To get Melo as a FA you have to let Chandler walk. If you do that you can come pretty close $15mm starting salary which I think would get it done. Maybe dump Walker (option). You HAVE to bring Turiaf back at the $4.3mm option he's got. We would be small as it is. I guess you then move Gallo to SG or Melo or have them mix and match. Maybe you trade Gallo but thats a different discussion. Your team would look like this:
PG Felton
SG Gallo
SF Melo
PF Amare
C Turiaf
bench: Douglas, Fields, Mosgov, etc

Eh... at this point I'm 100% ok with seeing how this roster gells and gets better.

Papabear Says

Hey Chandler is getting better and next season he could ba an allstar. I would let Chandler know that we want him and maybe he stays. I am sick and tired of seeing some of our players go to another team and do great. We will have to find a way to keep Chandler and sign Melo.

fishmike wrote:

Papabear wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

markvmc wrote:Those don't count until they do it in another team's uniform.

clearly

Hey, I like Gallo and Wilson... but for me, they don't count AS MUCH until they do it in a game like that Atlanta game or maybe in New Orleans.

Do it against a good team. Beat quality teams. Create their own shot when the defense clamps down.

I am opposed to trading half the team for Melo, but I'm not opposed to adding him in FA. I think the guy adds an element that can't be re-created by matching his point total. Adding Melo over Wilson/Gallo is like upgrading from DLee to Amare. There's a superstar element - an ability to make any shot he wants - an ability to have the other team playing on its heels and reeling.

Adding Melo to a core of Amar'e/Felton/Fields/Wilson/Turiaf would be incredible. We would be a 55-60 win team, IMHO and instant contenders.

Is Paul Pierce going to shut down Melo? I don't think so. is the trio of Wade/Bron/Bosh better than Felton/Melo/Amare? maybe, but Felton/Melo/Amare all complement one another pretty damn nicely and if we don't gut our team to make a trade, we'll have a FAAAAAAAR better core around those three than Miami can literally EVER dream of.

tough one... Need to see more of this team as constructed. To get Melo as a FA you have to let Chandler walk. If you do that you can come pretty close $15mm starting salary which I think would get it done. Maybe dump Walker (option). You HAVE to bring Turiaf back at the $4.3mm option he's got. We would be small as it is. I guess you then move Gallo to SG or Melo or have them mix and match. Maybe you trade Gallo but thats a different discussion. Your team would look like this:
PG Felton
SG Gallo
SF Melo
PF Amare
C Turiaf
bench: Douglas, Fields, Mosgov, etc

Eh... at this point I'm 100% ok with seeing how this roster gells and gets better.

Papabear Says

Hey Chandler is getting better and next season he could ba an allstar. I would let Chandler know that we want him and maybe he stays. I am sick and tired of seeing some of our players go to another team and do great. We will have to find a way to keep Chandler and sign Melo.

you cant... if you want to max out Melo you will need to clear some space and resigning Chandler isnt going to happen. I would rather offer Chandler a good deal, like 6 years $48 (starts at $7mm, similar to Artest, Ariza, Salmons, etc). Get him locked up for reasonable money long term and have $10mm or so left to add a big body.

Love Melo, dont need what he brings.

woah, i hope walsh doesnt sign any player to six year deal, not even melo. the only player to even consider a five year deal for is a certified star player imho.