cheers wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:You dont think Lee could fit here? One of the best passing bigs in the league, shoots 55%, great mid range and rebounds? The D is weak but as I mentioned in another thread its tough to guard 5 guys. Pretty sure Lee could do a lot of good things.

I dont focus on the past though... Lee did everything you can ask. Drafted last his hard work got him all the way into the all star game and before he got hurt he was part of the Warriors resurrgance

Agree on Amare, but the losing streak still hit 6 and was close to killing our coach in November.

Hey.. I said Knicks would win 45 games. Thats like a 5th seed in the East and I stick by that. I figured if we could work out enough kinks through the first 40-50 games we could start winning at a higher clip later in the year.

Im very happy the team right now all things considered. ATL is a big test. They are a big deep proven team

fish, I miss lee as much as the next guy, but where would he fit here and we still be .500? I said this before, turiaf impacts the game much bigger than his numbers.. He gives hard fouls, he hits the boards, he blocks shots, and changes a lot more...HE protects the paint.. something lee never did... protect the lane.. at some point it goes beyond stats.. lee would get 20/10 while the other team had a party in the paint, I mean a real house party.. at what point does that 20/10 really impacts the game? especially when the other team is having their way on the other end..

100% yes... Lee NEVER had the benefit of playing on a team with any kind of defensive mentality. Forget the trade, if you add Lee to this group we are like 12-4. You have a scoring rebounding center/backup PF for 30 minutes a game. Bring Turiaf off then bench, or Lee off the bench behind Amare... you need to rotate bigs up front.

Turiaf did EXACTLY the same things for GS that he's doing for the Knicks, and those GS teams were TERRIBLE. Turiaf looks great because he's playing with a higher caliber talent. Who is the best player Lee played with? Marbury? Harrington?

You get high % scoring with Lee, you get rebounding and you get superior ball movement, all things the Knicks have struggled with when losing this year.

I do not regret the Lee trade. I wanted him back for 6 years $70mm (starting at $9) at the most. He got lots more from GS so happy trails. He earned that contract, and GS was off to a GREAT start. I'm happy for the guy. He was a class Knick and worked his way from a hustle garbage pick 30 guy to an all star.

And moving forward I could certainly see an elite title caliber team with Lee in the rotation as the first PF/C off the bench getting 30 mpg getting his 15ppg 10rebs 4assists and shooting 55%. I could see that for sure.

Its water under the bridge, I just dont see the reason people feel the need to trash the guy. He was probably the only bright spot in the last 5 years. It would have been nice if he could have been part of turning this franchise around but it was bad timing, thus is life

lee's goal in ny was to be a yet another overpaid loser on the knicks. lee knew what old man walsh team plans were/are. lee passed on signing long with the knicks and walsh was even good about and gave lee that one season to reconsider. it was lee's call he made it, i dont blame him but i dont miss him. we dont need that mindset in ny anymore. you pay to win in ny. i already got my david lee plus more in landry fields-- every fan loves the hustle player, but hustle for your team, dont try to hustle your team.

Lee played the Knicks? Cant get much more ignorant. Dude went to Barnett's funeral. He was all Knicks. He wanted to be here + he loved this city.

Hopefully Landry Fields doesnt become *too* good and want to get paid, then the fans will all hate him

fishmike wrote:

cheers wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:You dont think Lee could fit here? One of the best passing bigs in the league, shoots 55%, great mid range and rebounds? The D is weak but as I mentioned in another thread its tough to guard 5 guys. Pretty sure Lee could do a lot of good things.

I dont focus on the past though... Lee did everything you can ask. Drafted last his hard work got him all the way into the all star game and before he got hurt he was part of the Warriors resurrgance

Agree on Amare, but the losing streak still hit 6 and was close to killing our coach in November.

Hey.. I said Knicks would win 45 games. Thats like a 5th seed in the East and I stick by that. I figured if we could work out enough kinks through the first 40-50 games we could start winning at a higher clip later in the year.

Im very happy the team right now all things considered. ATL is a big test. They are a big deep proven team

fish, I miss lee as much as the next guy, but where would he fit here and we still be .500? I said this before, turiaf impacts the game much bigger than his numbers.. He gives hard fouls, he hits the boards, he blocks shots, and changes a lot more...HE protects the paint.. something lee never did... protect the lane.. at some point it goes beyond stats.. lee would get 20/10 while the other team had a party in the paint, I mean a real house party.. at what point does that 20/10 really impacts the game? especially when the other team is having their way on the other end..

100% yes... Lee NEVER had the benefit of playing on a team with any kind of defensive mentality. Forget the trade, if you add Lee to this group we are like 12-4. You have a scoring rebounding center/backup PF for 30 minutes a game. Bring Turiaf off then bench, or Lee off the bench behind Amare... you need to rotate bigs up front.

Turiaf did EXACTLY the same things for GS that he's doing for the Knicks, and those GS teams were TERRIBLE. Turiaf looks great because he's playing with a higher caliber talent. Who is the best player Lee played with? Marbury? Harrington?

You get high % scoring with Lee, you get rebounding and you get superior ball movement, all things the Knicks have struggled with when losing this year.

I do not regret the Lee trade. I wanted him back for 6 years $70mm (starting at $9) at the most. He got lots more from GS so happy trails. He earned that contract, and GS was off to a GREAT start. I'm happy for the guy. He was a class Knick and worked his way from a hustle garbage pick 30 guy to an all star.

And moving forward I could certainly see an elite title caliber team with Lee in the rotation as the first PF/C off the bench getting 30 mpg getting his 15ppg 10rebs 4assists and shooting 55%. I could see that for sure.

Its water under the bridge, I just dont see the reason people feel the need to trash the guy. He was probably the only bright spot in the last 5 years. It would have been nice if he could have been part of turning this franchise around but it was bad timing, thus is life

lee's goal in ny was to be a yet another overpaid loser on the knicks. lee knew what old man walsh team plans were/are. lee passed on signing long with the knicks and walsh was even good about and gave lee that one season to reconsider. it was lee's call he made it, i dont blame him but i dont miss him. we dont need that mindset in ny anymore. you pay to win in ny. i already got my david lee plus more in landry fields-- every fan loves the hustle player, but hustle for your team, dont try to hustle your team.

dude.. what are you talking about? What extension did Lee turn down? It never happened. Ever. Lee always wanted to be here, and Walsh could have signed him cheaper 2 years ago. Instead he gave Lee a nice 1 one year deal, Lee continued to do what he did, get better, improve, etc he makes the all star team and GS offers him a ton of money.

Lee played the Knicks? Cant get much more ignorant. Dude went to Barnett's funeral. He was all Knicks. He wanted to be here + he loved this city.

Hopefully Landry Fields doesnt become *too* good and want to get paid, then the fans will all hate him

Yes, as stated nauseously in 500 other threads, there was nothing more Knick-like than watching our PF/C main big run/dive/fly away from getting posterized at every possible opportunity. Every time he did that, I was tearfully reminded of all those great Louie Orr-led defensive Knick teams before Ewing.

Oh yes, I'd much rather have a big who goes to funerals than someone who might break a sweat on D or who actually might give a sh-t that someone on the other team is rattling your rim every 5 minutes.

Good riddance DLee and have fun getting all those double doubles in that 70's hotbed of basketball, GS.

The Answer Man is thankful the Knicks did NOT give the big money to Joe Johnson

Mandate Eddy Curry plays ten minutes a night or sign a 6'11 space eater with decent hops.

Wait for Carmelo.

Do NOT trade anyone.

(what fishmike said)

Keep da yoots together

Randolph: 21
Fields: 22
Gallo: 22
Chandler: 23
Douglas: 24
Walker: 24
Mosgov: 24
Felton: 26
Turiaf: 27
Amare: 28

cheers wrote:the big check needed to go to a legit franchise player who would change the mindset of the knicks. lee was here for how long? he wasnt changing any minds, he was laughing on the sidelines when the knicks were losing.

cheers wrote:the fans (me) didnt hate lee, hated losing. how it look to sign lee $80mil which is just $20m less than what ny pays its new franchise player. come`on, ny signs lee like that, amar'e would want $120mil. throughout the years overpaying has had a negative ripple effect on the knicks.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/12/05/2010-12-05_surprise_amare_stoudemires_knicks_are_more_impressive_than_lebron_james_heat.html#ixzz17FW6s6ve"Suddenly you look out and see Stoudemire and Felton and Wilson Chandler and the Italian kid and see a team with possibilities again, for the first time in 10 years. You think that if Carmelo Anthony wants to come to New York as badly as he says he does, then he should come as a free agent.

That the Knicks should not trade some of these young players to get him now. Should hold on to the young talent they have and wait.

The last time the Knicks were a team to watch, Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell were the backcourt. And Marcus Camby was blocking shots and defending. The last player to throw a charge into the Garden this way was Sprewell.

It is only the first month of the season, the first month and change. You still can't make a better first impression than Stoudemire has made. A lot better than the one LeBron has made."

- Mike Lupica

misterearl wrote:39

"The Knicks, to me, have proved they can play at a high level and I refuse to take anything away from a Celtics team that has been together and been in games like this for years.

The Knicks are now a part of it. Take the loss, soak it in, watch Pierce disrespect your floor over and over, and come out hungrier on Friday night."

-Tommy Dee

Amare has lifted the Knicks on his shoulders like no player since Patrick Ewing. He makes his teammates better by sheer will and determination

“We definitely earned our respect,” said Stoudemire, an absolute beast again last night with 39 points and 10 rebounds. “I guarantee you that Boston respects us. We are not slouches. We are going to play every single night until the horn goes off and Boston knows it.”

the attitude of a winner is contagious

Catch it

I dont want respect I want a win.

However, I saw the post game when I got home, saw Amar'e not getting too high or too low, walked out to work this morning and heard 4 different groups of people talking about the Knicks, etc. For now, I'm glad we get to hurt like this for a change rather than hurt because we're in a hopeless situation. As long as this heartbreaker doesn't turn into losing 4 straight then this should be a good step in the right direction. I think guys like Felton and STAT use this to play even harder.

Beat Miami.