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colombian0725
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1/18/2012  10:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  10:15 PM
oohah wrote:The problem is not Amare Stoudemire. This is not his game. He is being asked to beat people off the dribble and hit long range jumpers He is probably the best outside shooter on the team thus far, but that is a problem.

Amare Stoudemire needs to be catching the ball where he has a chance to do something with it, and he needs players who can deliver when he is triple-teamed.

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That said, signing Amare Stoudemire to a 5-year, $100,000,000 guaranteed contract was obviously a desperate move by the Knicks and will most likely be Allan Houston part II, except with less winning.

oohah


Amare needs blah blah blah blah blah blahhhhh. He sucks. Lets be serious. He can't create for himself. He drives the ball baseline and goes no where but out of bounds

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1/18/2012  10:48 PM
colombian0725 wrote:
oohah wrote:The problem is not Amare Stoudemire. This is not his game. He is being asked to beat people off the dribble and hit long range jumpers He is probably the best outside shooter on the team thus far, but that is a problem.

Amare Stoudemire needs to be catching the ball where he has a chance to do something with it, and he needs players who can deliver when he is triple-teamed.

***

That said, signing Amare Stoudemire to a 5-year, $100,000,000 guaranteed contract was obviously a desperate move by the Knicks and will most likely be Allan Houston part II, except with less winning.

oohah


Amare needs blah blah blah blah blah blahhhhh. He sucks. Lets be serious. He can't create for himself. He drives the ball baseline and goes no where but out of bounds

not true -sometimes it stays in bounds, is blocked and turns into a fast break for the other team.

s3231
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1/18/2012  10:49 PM
I think it all has to do with having a PG that can run the PnR and/or find ways to set up Amare (he has also said this himself).

It took Felton a few weeks (and people forget this) but once he got clicking with Amare, we were a completely different team. Once Baron is back, we'll see if he can do the same...

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
ramtour420
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1/18/2012  10:50 PM
colombian0725 wrote:
oohah wrote:The problem is not Amare Stoudemire. This is not his game. He is being asked to beat people off the dribble and hit long range jumpers He is probably the best outside shooter on the team thus far, but that is a problem.

Amare Stoudemire needs to be catching the ball where he has a chance to do something with it, and he needs players who can deliver when he is triple-teamed.

***

That said, signing Amare Stoudemire to a 5-year, $100,000,000 guaranteed contract was obviously a desperate move by the Knicks and will most likely be Allan Houston part II, except with less winning.

oohah


Amare needs blah blah blah blah blah blahhhhh. He sucks. Lets be serious. He can't create for himself. He drives the ball baseline and goes no where but out of bounds

Oohah doesn't post anymore

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colombian0725
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1/18/2012  10:52 PM
Yaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy an max player that need's a point guard to stop sucking at offense. wooooooooooooooot wooooooooooooot. We are sooooooooooooo lucky. yayyyyyyyyyy
ramtour420
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1/19/2012  12:40 AM
colombian0725 wrote:Yaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy an max player that need's a point guard to stop sucking at offense. wooooooooooooooot wooooooooooooot. We are sooooooooooooo lucky. yayyyyyyyyyy

Every single one of your posts sounds the same. We get it , you want Amare gone. It's starting to get annoying tho, posting same crap in every post since you joined

Everything you have ever wanted is on the other side of fear- George Adair
colombian0725
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1/19/2012  3:57 AM
ramtour420 wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:Yaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy an max player that need's a point guard to stop sucking at offense. wooooooooooooooot wooooooooooooot. We are sooooooooooooo lucky. yayyyyyyyyyy

Every single one of your posts sounds the same. We get it , you want Amare gone. It's starting to get annoying tho, posting same crap in every post since you joined

Actually If you look my post first couple games I stood behind Amare. What's annoying is how everyone makes an excuse for Amare like he isn't playing piss poor in all aspects of his game. "He needs a point guard" Point is, even when he gets some day light he still isn't finishing like he was before. I get it. Every here is treating Amare as if he is still playing at the level he was last year. Making excuses.

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1/19/2012  6:20 AM
colombian0725 wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:Yaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy an max player that need's a point guard to stop sucking at offense. wooooooooooooooot wooooooooooooot. We are sooooooooooooo lucky. yayyyyyyyyyy

Every single one of your posts sounds the same. We get it , you want Amare gone. It's starting to get annoying tho, posting same crap in every post since you joined

Actually If you look my post first couple games I stood behind Amare. What's annoying is how everyone makes an excuse for Amare like he isn't playing piss poor in all aspects of his game. "He needs a point guard" Point is, even when he gets some day light he still isn't finishing like he was before. I get it. Every here is treating Amare as if he is still playing at the level he was last year. Making excuses.

Wtf! Did Amare kick your dog or something? Seriously, we get it. You hate Amare. He's probably not on your fantasy team-or maybe he is and that is the root of all this. Either way it doesn't matter. We get your point.

But before I move on from this I would love to have a little chat about this huge point you seem to be harping on as an excuse people use for Amare.

Ahem...WHAT PF OTHER THAN DIRK DOES NOT RELY ON A GOOD PG??? Seriously, I got to throw that off you. What PF's do you see that don't rely on their teammates to get them good position? I've never seen Pau go from key to post. Kevin Love? Best PF in the league possibly? Not exactly an Iso machine. I can't think of one. Griffin? Brother was the option 1a on his team (Gordon) but option 1 in the post last year. And how did LA decide to help him and make him and the team better? By going out and getting Chris EFFING Paul! Even Malone had Stockton, dog.

But let's cut through all the BS. The point isn't about a PG. It is about having the guy initiates getting Amare the ball in his comfort zone. Problem is we are no longer a team that plays to Amare's strengths. Amare has used speed, and athleticism his whole career and his comfort zone was the post to the foul line. Now he is playing with a guy who's comfort zone is post to 3 point territory (Anthony), and who needs the ball and needs shots. And it is not a knock on Anthony, he is who he is. Now with Chandler down there and Anthony down there, they put Amare out 15+ feet and his offensive game has turned into that of Oakley-taking those 15-18 foot jumpshots. No post game and driving into a crowd of Melo and Chandler when he tries to utilize his speed.

Last night is a prime example. First half, Melo is passing Amare has 15 in an ugly half but he carried the team. Melo stayed out of his way. Second half? Melo starts to shoot from everywhere, Amare has 8 points in the half and looked nothing like the guy from the first half.

Whose fault is it? Everyone. The coaching staff made the decision to run a system predicated on ball movement as long as at the end it ends up in Carmelo's hands. There is a reason for as high scoring as Mike's PHX teams were they never had a league leader in scoring. You had 3 guys in the low 20's (Nash, Amare, Marion) , you had a couple guys in that 15 point range (Bell, Joe Johnson,Barbosa) and your odds and ends. The coaching staff basically runs a system where Amare picks up scraps.

And Amare does not get off scott free here. Amare's biggest problem? His mangina. Seriously. He got here was all big and bad "The Knicks are back.." yadda, yadda, yadda, MVP,MVP,MVP then the minute another alpha dog comes he rolls over. His aggression and passion are gone. He wanted a team and this team was his. Now he's neutered.

I personally believe if Amare still played with that driven, aggressive, passionate play he started here with, I don't care if Melo is averaging 26 or 36 points per, noone would be questioning whose team it was.

~You can't run from who you are.~
colombian0725
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1/19/2012  10:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2012  10:07 AM
joec32033 wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:Yaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy an max player that need's a point guard to stop sucking at offense. wooooooooooooooot wooooooooooooot. We are sooooooooooooo lucky. yayyyyyyyyyy

Every single one of your posts sounds the same. We get it , you want Amare gone. It's starting to get annoying tho, posting same crap in every post since you joined

Actually If you look my post first couple games I stood behind Amare. What's annoying is how everyone makes an excuse for Amare like he isn't playing piss poor in all aspects of his game. "He needs a point guard" Point is, even when he gets some day light he still isn't finishing like he was before. I get it. Every here is treating Amare as if he is still playing at the level he was last year. Making excuses.

Wtf! Did Amare kick your dog or something? Seriously, we get it. You hate Amare. He's probably not on your fantasy team-or maybe he is and that is the root of all this. Either way it doesn't matter. We get your point.

But before I move on from this I would love to have a little chat about this huge point you seem to be harping on as an excuse people use for Amare.

Ahem...WHAT PF OTHER THAN DIRK DOES NOT RELY ON A GOOD PG??? Seriously, I got to throw that off you. What PF's do you see that don't rely on their teammates to get them good position? I've never seen Pau go from key to post. Kevin Love? Best PF in the league possibly? Not exactly an Iso machine. I can't think of one. Griffin? Brother was the option 1a on his team (Gordon) but option 1 in the post last year. And how did LA decide to help him and make him and the team better? By going out and getting Chris EFFING Paul! Even Malone had Stockton, dog.

But let's cut through all the BS. The point isn't about a PG. It is about having the guy initiates getting Amare the ball in his comfort zone. Problem is we are no longer a team that plays to Amare's strengths. Amare has used speed, and athleticism his whole career and his comfort zone was the post to the foul line. Now he is playing with a guy who's comfort zone is post to 3 point territory (Anthony), and who needs the ball and needs shots. And it is not a knock on Anthony, he is who he is. Now with Chandler down there and Anthony down there, they put Amare out 15+ feet and his offensive game has turned into that of Oakley-taking those 15-18 foot jumpshots. No post game and driving into a crowd of Melo and Chandler when he tries to utilize his speed.

Last night is a prime example. First half, Melo is passing Amare has 15 in an ugly half but he carried the team. Melo stayed out of his way. Second half? Melo starts to shoot from everywhere, Amare has 8 points in the half and looked nothing like the guy from the first half.

Whose fault is it? Everyone. The coaching staff made the decision to run a system predicated on ball movement as long as at the end it ends up in Carmelo's hands. There is a reason for as high scoring as Mike's PHX teams were they never had a league leader in scoring. You had 3 guys in the low 20's (Nash, Amare, Marion) , you had a couple guys in that 15 point range (Bell, Joe Johnson,Barbosa) and your odds and ends. The coaching staff basically runs a system where Amare picks up scraps.

And Amare does not get off scott free here. Amare's biggest problem? His mangina. Seriously. He got here was all big and bad "The Knicks are back.." yadda, yadda, yadda, MVP,MVP,MVP then the minute another alpha dog comes he rolls over. His aggression and passion are gone. He wanted a team and this team was his. Now he's neutered.

I personally believe if Amare still played with that driven, aggressive, passionate play he started here with, I don't care if Melo is averaging 26 or 36 points per, noone would be questioning whose team it was.


Your right but he's not. I could live with the him being in a funk on offense but his lack of effort on defense and rebounding is what troubles me the most.

Melo's shot selection is horrible. Don't even get me started on that. I'd trade Melo for Howard in a heart beat. If only we could make out like Bandits and trade Melo for Dwight and Amare for Dwill than I think this team would be 50x better. I'd give my left nut if we could land those guys.

Melo/Chandler for Dwight/Turk.

Amare/Fields for Dwill.

Build our team around Dwight and Dwill.

If both those guys are available via trade. I say we trade for them.

A team to Build around Dwight and Dwill is much better than this team we have right now.

Dear STAT aka Amare

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