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Childs2Dudley wrote:Forget about Mark Jackson. This guy has never coached in his life.

Just hire a touted assistant like Brian Shaw or something.

Some defensive coach. Anyone.

Hell, Mike Fratello.

Maybe a monitor/speakers hooked up to the internet, and we call the shots during games? It would look like Max Headroom, and be controlled by us:

"Drive the lane!!!!!!!"

"Landry, more cutting!"

"Timo... knock Love on his ass!"

"Gallo, less gel!"

"Eddy sits on the next @#$^&! player that shoots a three!"

crzymdups wrote:Look, they've had leads in what 3 or 4 of these games in the third/fourth quarter. They need to learn how to hold on to the leads. Maybe it's a matter of slowing down the offense and running more of a half court set once they build a lead. Playing fast and loose allows the other team more of a chance to get back in the game when they're down 10. SLOW IT DOWN once you have a lead.

A lot of the pieces here seem to be built to play both fast and slow, D'Antoni NEEDS to take advantage of that. Felton runs the break pretty well (minus some ugly turnovers), but he also did well in the halfcourt in Charlotte under Larry Brown. Amar'e has played slow it down halfcourt ball in the playoffs and excelled.

Another thing D'Antoni NEEDS to do is give Anthony Randolph a longer leash. AR came in last night and grabbed two quick defense rebounds away from KLove. He made a horrible turnover on a break and D'Antoni yanked him. Give the kid limitations - no running the ball upcourt after a rebound, don't pass into traffic. BUT GIVE HIM ROOM TO MAKE MISTAKES.

AR is our ONLY potentially great rebounder on this team. He is a shotblocker and a gifted offensive weapon. We need him.

If D'Antoni can't develop him and find a use for him on a squad bereft of rebounding and a squad that NEEDS his length and inside scoring... that's D'Antoni's failing, not AR's, to my mind.

There are some things that are working here - there are glaring things that are not that need to be addressed. Gallinari and Amar'e have shown a knack for getting to the line. That's how you slow down another teams runs. Wilson Chandler looked great early in the season playing his mid-range game off the bench. He looks HORRIBLE jacking threes. Put Wilson in a position to succeed. Limit him to three 3pt shots a night and tell him to take it inside. Run the pick and pop with Amar'e if the Pick and Roll isn't there. There are small adjustments that can fix what's wrong. D'Antoni has to make them. Obviously the talent is here to build the leads. He has to make the small adjustments to keep the leads. Has to.

Absolutely, positively brilliant analysis

Outstanding and a candidate for Post of The Day and it's only 9:52 AM

crzymdups wrote:Look, they've had leads in what 3 or 4 of these games in the third/fourth quarter. They need to learn how to hold on to the leads. Maybe it's a matter of slowing down the offense and running more of a half court set once they build a lead. Playing fast and loose allows the other team more of a chance to get back in the game when they're down 10. SLOW IT DOWN once you have a lead.

I disagree, they were running the ball in the first half, they built a 20 point lead mainly on fast break opportunities and some
timely threes. They gave up on running and settled mostly for threes, that's when the lead started to vanish. Another factor was
Mosgov. This is another game where D'Antoni pulled Mosgov and in this case Love had a field day. No time out, no substitutions,
no adjustments. In the game thread I was timing how long they were holding on to the ball, when they got a shot off in about 7
seconds they scored almost every time, when they played slow ball and everyone jogged up the court they almost always missed.

This team was built to run not to play half court basketball. I haven't seen any evidence that this team (as constructed) can
play half court ball. I have seen plenty of evidence that they do well when they are pushing the ball and getting good looks, not
just heaving up a three almost every time they try to score.

BRIGGS wrote:
I knew this would happen--he seems to need a whipping boy. Im not saying dont be tough on a guy--but AR is shot right now--every play he is thinking--you could see that he gave up in one sequence and walked over to the bench like he was done. he has been poor but hes not a player who can succeed setting up 22-26 feet out. He needs to be a 4-5 and have that mentality--they got him to buy into the 3 ball and now he is out of position most of the time and when he does get it rushes the play to point of mistake. He really could use 5-8 games of 4 minutes in the D league--and when he comes back NBA is GONZO. To keep NDA right now and saying I dont care if he wins 30 is wrong. We fired Don Nelson after 30 games---MDA doesnt fit in NY--hes the guy who should be the first move---OUT

He needs to develop AR. I don't know how. I think a D-League stint at this point might be worse for his confidence. I think he needs real minutes and a mandate to grab rebounds on both ends. Don't try to do anything else - grab every rebound and hand the ball off to the PG and then sprint up the court. On the offensive end - crash the boards.

I agree that this D'Antoni era is feeling a lot like the Don Nelson era. But, man, even Nellie went 32-24. At this point 32-24 would feel like we were on top of the world.

Can SSOL or less be run effectively, after made baskets, on the road?

Or does it simply create a climate of impatience, ie poor shot selection, in Knicks yoots?

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Look, they've had leads in what 3 or 4 of these games in the third/fourth quarter. They need to learn how to hold on to the leads. Maybe it's a matter of slowing down the offense and running more of a half court set once they build a lead. Playing fast and loose allows the other team more of a chance to get back in the game when they're down 10. SLOW IT DOWN once you have a lead.

I disagree, they were running the ball in the first half, they built a 20 point lead mainly on fast break opportunities and some
timely threes. They gave up on running and settled mostly for threes, that's when the lead started to vanish. Another factor was
Mosgov. This is another game where D'Antoni pulled Mosgov and in this case Love had a field day. No time out, no substitutions,
no adjustments. In the game thread I was timing how long they were holding on to the ball, when they got a shot off in about 7
seconds they scored almost every time, when they played slow ball and everyone jogged up the court they almost always missed.

This team was built to run not to play half court basketball. I haven't seen any evidence that this team (as constructed) can
play half court ball. I have seen plenty of evidence that they do well when they are pushing the ball and getting good looks, not
just heaving up a three almost every time they try to score.

I agree that they built the lead by running. But sometimes it's impossible to run AKA when you aren't getting any stops or turnovers.

I think they need a unit that can slow it down and play defense and run a halfcourt set.

I'm not sure I've seen evidence of it either, but the idea that they don't have the personal to do that here drives me nuts.

Felton
Fields
Gallo/Wilson
Amar'e
Mozgov

... that's a halfcourt unit. I know D'Antoni doesn't believe in slowing it down... but it's not going to work any other way.

Yeah it makes it harder to run without stops but not impossible. After they gave up a bucket, someone would inbounds to Felton
at the baseline and he would jog up the court, not even thinking of looking down court for an open man. At times I've seen him
sprint up court and hold the ball while the defense catches up.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't play halfcourt at all because the playoffs has more slow ball than in the regular season. We don't
have a PG right now who fits the bill, they have to play to their strengths and right now half court slow ball isn't one of them.

okay, i'm not saying intentionally slow it down. but if the game is slowing down or the other team is scoring and making a run of their own - we need to be able to run some halfcourt sets. some set plays.

too many slowed down sets from this team ended up with wilson or gallo launching a contested three last night. they need to create sets where wilson or gallo or, hey, even that amar'e guy is isolated in the post.

we need better shots in the halfcourt set. because the reality is that it is impossible to run all game and sometimes you need to find better, closer shots.

this team, particularly d'antoni, needs to realize that if the only "good" shots we are getting through his sets are contested threes... they aren't actually good shots and we are playing right into the other team's hands.

crzymdups wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Look, they've had leads in what 3 or 4 of these games in the third/fourth quarter. They need to learn how to hold on to the leads. Maybe it's a matter of slowing down the offense and running more of a half court set once they build a lead. Playing fast and loose allows the other team more of a chance to get back in the game when they're down 10. SLOW IT DOWN once you have a lead.

I disagree, they were running the ball in the first half, they built a 20 point lead mainly on fast break opportunities and some
timely threes. They gave up on running and settled mostly for threes, that's when the lead started to vanish. Another factor was
Mosgov. This is another game where D'Antoni pulled Mosgov and in this case Love had a field day. No time out, no substitutions,
no adjustments. In the game thread I was timing how long they were holding on to the ball, when they got a shot off in about 7
seconds they scored almost every time, when they played slow ball and everyone jogged up the court they almost always missed.

This team was built to run not to play half court basketball. I haven't seen any evidence that this team (as constructed) can
play half court ball. I have seen plenty of evidence that they do well when they are pushing the ball and getting good looks, not
just heaving up a three almost every time they try to score.

I agree that they built the lead by running. But sometimes it's impossible to run AKA when you aren't getting any stops or turnovers.

I think they need a unit that can slow it down and play defense and run a halfcourt set.

I'm not sure I've seen evidence of it either, but the idea that they don't have the personal to do that here drives me nuts.

Felton
Fields
Gallo/Wilson
Amar'e
Mozgov

... that's a halfcourt unit. I know D'Antoni doesn't believe in slowing it down... but it's not going to work any other way.

Yeah it makes it harder to run without stops but not impossible. After they gave up a bucket, someone would inbounds to Felton
at the baseline and he would jog up the court, not even thinking of looking down court for an open man. At times I've seen him
sprint up court and hold the ball while the defense catches up.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't play halfcourt at all because the playoffs has more slow ball than in the regular season. We don't
have a PG right now who fits the bill, they have to play to their strengths and right now half court slow ball isn't one of them.

okay, i'm not saying intentionally slow it down. but if the game is slowing down or the other team is scoring and making a run of their own - we need to be able to run some halfcourt sets. some set plays.

too many slowed down sets from this team ended up with wilson or gallo launching a contested three last night. they need to create sets where wilson or gallo or, hey, even that amar'e guy is isolated in the post.

we need better shots in the halfcourt set. because the reality is that it is impossible to run all game and sometimes you need to find better, closer shots.

this team, particularly d'antoni, needs to realize that if the only "good" shots we are getting through his sets are contested threes... they aren't actually good shots and we are playing right into the other team's hands.

I agree, they can't totally ditch the half court game but I do feel like they are relying on it too much. I also agree about drawing
up better half court plays, hopefully that will come in time. When they are having trouble making stops, thats the time to make some
subs, get some stops, push the ball again. As some of you pointed out, coach basically calls the fire department after the building
has burned down. He doesn't nip anything in the bud, he will pull one of the younger players for one mistake but he will let the vets
blow a big lead without making adjustments.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Look, they've had leads in what 3 or 4 of these games in the third/fourth quarter. They need to learn how to hold on to the leads. Maybe it's a matter of slowing down the offense and running more of a half court set once they build a lead. Playing fast and loose allows the other team more of a chance to get back in the game when they're down 10. SLOW IT DOWN once you have a lead.

I disagree, they were running the ball in the first half, they built a 20 point lead mainly on fast break opportunities and some
timely threes. They gave up on running and settled mostly for threes, that's when the lead started to vanish. Another factor was
Mosgov. This is another game where D'Antoni pulled Mosgov and in this case Love had a field day. No time out, no substitutions,
no adjustments. In the game thread I was timing how long they were holding on to the ball, when they got a shot off in about 7
seconds they scored almost every time, when they played slow ball and everyone jogged up the court they almost always missed.

This team was built to run not to play half court basketball. I haven't seen any evidence that this team (as constructed) can
play half court ball. I have seen plenty of evidence that they do well when they are pushing the ball and getting good looks, not
just heaving up a three almost every time they try to score.

I agree that they built the lead by running. But sometimes it's impossible to run AKA when you aren't getting any stops or turnovers.

I think they need a unit that can slow it down and play defense and run a halfcourt set.

I'm not sure I've seen evidence of it either, but the idea that they don't have the personal to do that here drives me nuts.

Felton
Fields
Gallo/Wilson
Amar'e
Mozgov

... that's a halfcourt unit. I know D'Antoni doesn't believe in slowing it down... but it's not going to work any other way.

Also running the court and being smart about it (attacking the basket and then MAYBE kicking it out for 3 if people get back) is entirely different from what happened last night.

There were 2 instances where the Knicks ran after a stop.

1. Gallo launches a quick 3 before half the team has a chance to get back.
2. Fields launches a long two, again before half the team is over the half court line.

We just worked our butts off getting a stop...then you let the other team off the hook by launching jumpers with no1 under the basket?
I understand the philosophy of take the open shot but those shots were stupid.

They were playing smart in the first half and running. Second half they gave up one bucket after another and they started to get
careless. I agree that you need good shot selection whatever style you play or it won't make a difference.