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The Ghost of Isiah Still Haunts the Knicks (ESPN story with full-length Isiah quotes about returning to Knicks in future)
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Bonn1997
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11/7/2010  1:53 AM
The fact that he refers to his plan as "madness" is revealing.
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11/7/2010  2:16 AM
I've been a Knicks fan for almost 40 years.

If Isiah comes back, I become a Nets fan. Not even a question.

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11/7/2010  8:30 AM
Perhaps his public emotional puke has served a greater purpose to finally expose hia personality disorder for what he is.

Very successful people are sometimes sociopathic in achieving goals they don't pay attention to who and what is arrant them. This would actually be complementary os Isiah. Instead he might have finally finished himself off which as a fan I might find relief.

I'll worry more when he goes public about his therapy and he is ready
to return.

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11/7/2010  9:06 AM
Nalod wrote:Perhaps his public emotional puke has served a greater purpose to finally expose hia personality disorder for what he is.

Very successful people are sometimes sociopathic in achieving goals they don't pay attention to who and what is arrant them. This would actually be complementary os Isiah. Instead he might have finally finished himself off which as a fan I might find relief.

I'll worry more when he goes public about his therapy and he is ready
to return.

Well put Nalod, even Dolan might say enough this time. His team is doing probably better than
Dolan expected. I'm sure he likes the positive attention the franchise has been getting and enjoying it
for a change.

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11/7/2010  9:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2010  9:21 AM
Well I'll play Devil's advocate. Yeah, Isiah gave away too many draft picks and made some really bad trades and FA signings but I do find it puzzling that people won't even acknowledge how well many of the players he acquired are playing (here or elsewhere). I think this team below would at the very least be competing for the 6th to 8th seed.
PG: MLE signing (maybe Felton actually comes here for a full 5 year MLE). This would be a key aspect.
SG: Jamal Crawford (last year's 6th man)
SF: Wilson Chandler (playing like an all-star this year)
PF: Zach Randolph (all-star last year)
C: David Lee (all-star last year)

There'd be more MLE signings too and draft picks too. Now I'm happy with the product Walsh has put out instead and I wouldn't want to go back to Isiah. But I'll at least acknowledge that several of his key acquisitions are looking very good, and we're a better team because he gave us Chandler.

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11/7/2010  9:21 AM
I still haven't been able to finish that article... I get this nauseous feeling, like if you ate a spoiled rat meat burger
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11/7/2010  9:46 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Well I'll play Devil's advocate. Yeah, Isiah gave away too many draft picks and made some really bad trades and FA signings but I do find it puzzling that people won't even acknowledge how well many of the players he acquired are playing (here or elsewhere). I think this team below would at the very least be competing for the 6th to 8th seed.
PG: MLE signing (maybe Felton actually comes here for a full 5 year MLE). This would be a key aspect.
SG: Jamal Crawford (last year's 6th man)
SF: Wilson Chandler (playing like an all-star this year)
PF: Zach Randolph (all-star last year)
C: David Lee (all-star last year)

There'd be more MLE signings too and draft picks too. Now I'm happy with the product Walsh has put out instead and I wouldn't want to go back to Isiah. But I'll at least acknowledge that several of his key acquisitions are looking very good, and we're a better team because he gave us Chandler.

This is exactly why I think the all-star game is complete BS and I cant comprehend why people attach such importance to "All Star" appearance. Outside of Wilson Chandler the other three play ZERO DEFENSE. Zach is a selfish one dimensional ball hog. Crawford is the lowest IQ ball player alive and Avi Lee, I am GLAD the Doorman has left the building. Walsh understands real value because the only real two way player on that group is still here and thriving.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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11/7/2010  10:31 AM
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Well I'll play Devil's advocate. Yeah, Isiah gave away too many draft picks and made some really bad trades and FA signings but I do find it puzzling that people won't even acknowledge how well many of the players he acquired are playing (here or elsewhere). I think this team below would at the very least be competing for the 6th to 8th seed.
PG: MLE signing (maybe Felton actually comes here for a full 5 year MLE). This would be a key aspect.
SG: Jamal Crawford (last year's 6th man)
SF: Wilson Chandler (playing like an all-star this year)
PF: Zach Randolph (all-star last year)
C: David Lee (all-star last year)

There'd be more MLE signings too and draft picks too. Now I'm happy with the product Walsh has put out instead and I wouldn't want to go back to Isiah. But I'll at least acknowledge that several of his key acquisitions are looking very good, and we're a better team because he gave us Chandler.

This is exactly why I think the all-star game is complete BS and I cant comprehend why people attach such importance to "All Star" appearance. Outside of Wilson Chandler the other three play ZERO DEFENSE. Zach is a selfish one dimensional ball hog. Crawford is the lowest IQ ball player alive and Avi Lee, I am GLAD the Doorman has left the building. Walsh understands real value because the only real two way player on that group is still here and thriving.


From your comments, I don't think you watched Jamal or Zach last year and appreciate how well they can play with competent PGs. I saw many Atlanta games because I live near Atlanta. Jamal deserved the 6th man award last year and the Hawks would have been a worse team without him. Wilson is a good defensive presence but clearly the lineup above would have to be complemented with some other role players.
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11/7/2010  10:37 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Well I'll play Devil's advocate. Yeah, Isiah gave away too many draft picks and made some really bad trades and FA signings but I do find it puzzling that people won't even acknowledge how well many of the players he acquired are playing (here or elsewhere). I think this team below would at the very least be competing for the 6th to 8th seed.
PG: MLE signing (maybe Felton actually comes here for a full 5 year MLE). This would be a key aspect.
SG: Jamal Crawford (last year's 6th man)
SF: Wilson Chandler (playing like an all-star this year)
PF: Zach Randolph (all-star last year)
C: David Lee (all-star last year)

There'd be more MLE signings too and draft picks too. Now I'm happy with the product Walsh has put out instead and I wouldn't want to go back to Isiah. But I'll at least acknowledge that several of his key acquisitions are looking very good, and we're a better team because he gave us Chandler.

This is exactly why I think the all-star game is complete BS and I cant comprehend why people attach such importance to "All Star" appearance. Outside of Wilson Chandler the other three play ZERO DEFENSE. Zach is a selfish one dimensional ball hog. Crawford is the lowest IQ ball player alive and Avi Lee, I am GLAD the Doorman has left the building. Walsh understands real value because the only real two way player on that group is still here and thriving.


From your comments, I don't think you watched Jamal or Zach last year and appreciate how well they can play with competent PGs. I saw many Atlanta games because I live near Atlanta. Jamal deserved the 6th man award last year and the Hawks would have been a worse team without him. Wilson is a good defensive presence but clearly the lineup above would have to be complemented with some other role players.

Jamal was maddeningly inconsistent, but the again it was unfair to him that Isiah featured him. People forget that Craw was brought in to be the third guard behind H20 and Marbs and Isiah never developed a contingency plan. Atlanta put him in a position to succeed. Same goes for Randolpg because he's mentally ill equipped for that

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11/7/2010  10:39 AM
I'll take Amare over Zach anytime.

Dlee as center is not optimum. He can't defend the leagues bigs without foul trouble and since he is too valuable to foul out, he is as LQue says,, "open door".

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11/7/2010  10:52 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Isiah Thomas Official Profile

I found Isiah's official profile. Take a look.

LMAO!

Had enough Melo?
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11/7/2010  11:06 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Well I'll play Devil's advocate. Yeah, Isiah gave away too many draft picks and made some really bad trades and FA signings but I do find it puzzling that people won't even acknowledge how well many of the players he acquired are playing (here or elsewhere). I think this team below would at the very least be competing for the 6th to 8th seed.
PG: MLE signing (maybe Felton actually comes here for a full 5 year MLE). This would be a key aspect.
SG: Jamal Crawford (last year's 6th man)
SF: Wilson Chandler (playing like an all-star this year)
PF: Zach Randolph (all-star last year)
C: David Lee (all-star last year)

There'd be more MLE signings too and draft picks too. Now I'm happy with the product Walsh has put out instead and I wouldn't want to go back to Isiah. But I'll at least acknowledge that several of his key acquisitions are looking very good, and we're a better team because he gave us Chandler.

This is exactly why I think the all-star game is complete BS and I cant comprehend why people attach such importance to "All Star" appearance. Outside of Wilson Chandler the other three play ZERO DEFENSE. Zach is a selfish one dimensional ball hog. Crawford is the lowest IQ ball player alive and Avi Lee, I am GLAD the Doorman has left the building. Walsh understands real value because the only real two way player on that group is still here and thriving.


From your comments, I don't think you watched Jamal or Zach last year and appreciate how well they can play with competent PGs. I saw many Atlanta games because I live near Atlanta. Jamal deserved the 6th man award last year and the Hawks would have been a worse team without him. Wilson is a good defensive presence but clearly the lineup above would have to be complemented with some other role players.

Really? I think what I said was they don't play any defense. No I didn't watch the games but I can be fairly confident they didn't play any defense over there either having them on the same team means you are automatically reduced to 3 on 5 defense, add Lee and it becomes 1.5 on 5 defense. Can you say 23 wins again? Crawford is a role player who has finally found a role that he can actually play, god bless him. But I would take this current team with two-way players over any mix and match combination of Isiah's acquisitions.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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11/7/2010  11:22 AM
All Isiah was is a player.
Big ego, big balls, small brain and zero integrity.
The fact that people like him are on high positions and in the public eye is a disgrace for US corporate culture and US society in general.
In short - see my sig below.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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11/7/2010  12:12 PM
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Well I'll play Devil's advocate. Yeah, Isiah gave away too many draft picks and made some really bad trades and FA signings but I do find it puzzling that people won't even acknowledge how well many of the players he acquired are playing (here or elsewhere). I think this team below would at the very least be competing for the 6th to 8th seed.
PG: MLE signing (maybe Felton actually comes here for a full 5 year MLE). This would be a key aspect.
SG: Jamal Crawford (last year's 6th man)
SF: Wilson Chandler (playing like an all-star this year)
PF: Zach Randolph (all-star last year)
C: David Lee (all-star last year)

There'd be more MLE signings too and draft picks too. Now I'm happy with the product Walsh has put out instead and I wouldn't want to go back to Isiah. But I'll at least acknowledge that several of his key acquisitions are looking very good, and we're a better team because he gave us Chandler.

This is exactly why I think the all-star game is complete BS and I cant comprehend why people attach such importance to "All Star" appearance. Outside of Wilson Chandler the other three play ZERO DEFENSE. Zach is a selfish one dimensional ball hog. Crawford is the lowest IQ ball player alive and Avi Lee, I am GLAD the Doorman has left the building. Walsh understands real value because the only real two way player on that group is still here and thriving.


From your comments, I don't think you watched Jamal or Zach last year and appreciate how well they can play with competent PGs. I saw many Atlanta games because I live near Atlanta. Jamal deserved the 6th man award last year and the Hawks would have been a worse team without him. Wilson is a good defensive presence but clearly the lineup above would have to be complemented with some other role players.

Really? I think what I said was they don't play any defense. No I didn't watch the games but I can be fairly confident they didn't play any defense over there either having them on the same team means you are automatically reduced to 3 on 5 defense, add Lee and it becomes 1.5 on 5 defense. Can you say 23 wins again? Crawford is a role player who has finally found a role that he can actually play, god bless him. But I would take this current team with two-way players over any mix and match combination of Isiah's acquisitions.

So would I and I specifically stated that. You seem to be switching the topic. However, whether it was a 23 win team or a playoff team would depend on who else was acquired.

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11/7/2010  10:17 PM
OK, I thought the gist of what you were saying was that you thought the three Isiah players in Lee, Craw and Zach would combine with Felton and be a 6-8 seed in the East. The point I was trying to make was that regardless of what they did on offense this season they are horrible defenders and when put together on a team would not win more than 23 games and this is why I think the "all-star" status is way overrated. So not sure where the switching of topics was, but I think we are agreeing that this team is better. I guess we have to disagree on whether we would give Isiah a pass or not, on a scale of A-F I would give him a definite Z-.
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11/8/2010  9:15 AM
Papabear Says

Isiah is taunting you guys and you are playing right in his trap. He knows that this will drive you crazy so he throws it out there and mess with your head. Please!!! He will never get that job back so stop playing into his hands. Isiah have enough money to last a life time and he knows how you feel so he keeps playing with you guys and all of you go into cardiac arrest. He ain't coming back so take a deep breath and let's move on.

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11/8/2010  9:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2010  9:17 AM
Dolan is not smart, he will hire Isiah again. The only way Isiah never comes back is if Dolan leaves (or gets shot in the head )
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11/8/2010  9:36 AM
FrenchKnicks wrote:Dolan is not smart, he will hire Isiah again. The only way Isiah never comes back is if Dolan leaves (or gets shot in the head )

I think the only guy more stubborn than Jimmy-D is Pap-D. Charles has had to been doing a facepalm for the better part of the last decade regarding his son's performance presiding over MSG. He's still widely regarded as the worst and least intelligent owner in the league, while Charles is feared, reviled, and respected for his business acumen (Cablevision keeps raking it in despite the crap he pulled with YES and FOX, but it's certainly easier when you're practically a monopoly). If my son were responsible for the mess at the Garden, the place that I owned, I would have to have stepped in by now to right things.

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11/8/2010  10:50 AM

Dolan hired Walsh and has allowed him great freedom to make big changes both on the roster and in the cuture.

If not for his infactuation with all things Isiah I'd about call him a new man.

I think for Dolan he does not like to be proven wrong. Its like buying a stock nobody wants and hopeing you think your smarter than everyone else and proving they were wrong. He got players in the same vein. Thinking Marbury would be better with him "advising" him would turn him around.

FIU has to be gringing with every time he speaks about the Knicks.

LIke I said, lets hope this last bit exposed him and even Jimmy see's what a whack job he is.

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11/8/2010  11:16 AM
Nalod wrote:
Dolan hired Walsh and has allowed him great freedom to make big changes both on the roster and in the cuture.

If not for his infactuation with all things Isiah I'd about call him a new man.

I think for Dolan he does not like to be proven wrong. Its like buying a stock nobody wants and hopeing you think your smarter than everyone else and proving they were wrong. He got players in the same vein. Thinking Marbury would be better with him "advising" him would turn him around.

FIU has to be gringing with every time he speaks about the Knicks.

LIke I said, lets hope this last bit exposed him and even Jimmy see's what a whack job he is.

it pains me to know that Dolan has not publicly backed Walsh in some way. Old man has set this franchise straight and is not getting backed by its owner. Perhaps Dolan is just waiting for Donnie to wake up from his nap and just after he nabs Melo. That would be sweet timing.

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