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Bippity10
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11/3/2010  12:56 PM
nixluva wrote:Landry tested out to be one of the most athletic players in the draft. What we see now is what Mike and Donnie saw in workouts, which is that he's very skilled and smart BB IQ wise. Like other guys who have a similar game ie Matt Barnes or Doug Christie, I believe Fields will still get better as he gains NBA experience. How much better is hard to say, but I don't think he's maxed out his potential just yet.

Its funny, he was a good player in college and nobody notices. He tests real well athletically during the preseason and has shown us some highlight real after the whistle dunks as well as several explosions to the hoop and yet we are consistently told he is not an athlete. What is it with this guy?

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11/3/2010  1:07 PM
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bernard wrote:Back to the subject of the thread, I'm really liking what I see out of Landry Fields. I hope he's the kind of player we all can root for, as he just seems so solid and smart on the court. And it sure doesn't seem that he's just on a hot streak. He's playing like someone who really knows the game: excellent court awareness on both sides, rarely makes a dumb play, and these aren't things that just go away.

There's a chance that he'll develop into more of a threat offensively, but even if he doesn't, he's looking like he'll be a great glue guy who will be productive for many years. So, imo if he keeps developing, he's got a chance to be the kind of player who fills the stat sheet w/o looking like he's trying to, 10-15 pts, plus 4-5 assists, 6-7 rebounds and 1-2 steals, and strong fundamental D (think Richard Jefferson in his prime, w/o the dickishness). Or, if he's nearer his peak, he's already a solid rotation guy who can give you 20 productive minutes a night while rarely hurting the team. Either way, awesome value for a 2nd round pick.

How dare you try to get us back on topic. Don't ever do that again......but good post anyway and I agree with you. Even if he never improves you have a strong bench player that can help win games

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11/3/2010  1:12 PM
Battier like game would be awesome. Remember that NY Times Magazine article about Battier. Placed him among the top 10 or so players in the league using Moneyball-style statistical analysis. Might have been a stretch, but he was very, very good. Couldn't carry off a shaved head, though. Guy looked like a Shar-pei.

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bernard wrote:Back to the subject of the thread, I'm really liking what I see out of Landry Fields. I hope he's the kind of player we all can root for, as he just seems so solid and smart on the court. And it sure doesn't seem that he's just on a hot streak. He's playing like someone who really knows the game: excellent court awareness on both sides, rarely makes a dumb play, and these aren't things that just go away.

There's a chance that he'll develop into more of a threat offensively, but even if he doesn't, he's looking like he'll be a great glue guy who will be productive for many years. So, imo if he keeps developing, he's got a chance to be the kind of player who fills the stat sheet w/o looking like he's trying to, 10-15 pts, plus 4-5 assists, 6-7 rebounds and 1-2 steals, and strong fundamental D (think Richard Jefferson in his prime, w/o the dickishness). Or, if he's nearer his peak, he's already a solid rotation guy who can give you 20 productive minutes a night while rarely hurting the team. Either way, awesome value for a 2nd round pick.

i agree... the kid plays like a seasoned vet already... always seems to be at the right place on the court, knocks down shots when he gets the opportunity, & plays solid defense... i think your stat projections are pretty much dead on to what i would expect to see out of him... in terms of style of play, i'm seeing more Shane Battier than RJ tho, i don't think Fields has the same type of explosiveness as RJ did with the Nets... hopefully he can grow into the same type of defensive player that Battier is... we could really use a player like that.

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11/3/2010  1:19 PM
Here's one thing I really like about the dude: he came into training camp READY. Everyone was saying how Fields was the best in shape at the start of camp, even Amare was marveling. This ain't no Jordan Hill, this is a guy who has got his head on straight and is already prepared.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is like Lee during the offseason and corrects whatever Clyde has been saying about his shot - whether it's the midrange or 3pt shot. I wouldn't be surprised if the dude becomes shades of automatic from the field next season or really solidified his FT shooting.

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11/3/2010  1:29 PM
martin wrote:Here's one thing I really like about the dude: he came into training camp READY. Everyone was saying how Fields was the best in shape at the start of camp, even Amare was marveling. This ain't no Jordan Hill, this is a guy who has got his head on straight and is already prepared.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is like Lee during the offseason and corrects whatever Clyde has been saying about his shot - whether it's the midrange or 3pt shot. I wouldn't be surprised if the dude becomes shades of automatic from the field next season or really solidified his FT shooting.


comparing to Lee is perfect. People say Lee is overhyped on this board. For some reason rooting for a guy who was pick 30 and regarded as nothing more than a hustle garbage who WORKED on his game so much 4 years later he's a 20/10 all star is somehow a bad thing.

You see these guys all over the league. Late picks who are regarded as underskilled, under sized or didnt fit into some pigeon hole definition of an NBA player.

Hopefully we have a couple with Douglas and Fields.

On 2nd thought I hope Fields fails. If he's good then we will have to pay him eventually and deal with another overhyped David Lee situation where we can no longer appreciate where he came from, how much his game has improved over the years or the hard work and character of the guy. It just easier that way

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11/3/2010  1:56 PM
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nixluva wrote:Landry tested out to be one of the most athletic players in the draft. What we see now is what Mike and Donnie saw in workouts, which is that he's very skilled and smart BB IQ wise. Like other guys who have a similar game ie Matt Barnes or Doug Christie, I believe Fields will still get better as he gains NBA experience. How much better is hard to say, but I don't think he's maxed out his potential just yet.

Its funny, he was a good player in college and nobody notices. He tests real well athletically during the preseason and has shown us some highlight real after the whistle dunks as well as several explosions to the hoop and yet we are consistently told he is not an athlete. What is it with this guy?

i think he's athletic & he's got hops, but he's not the type of guy who's gonna explode into the lane & dunk one down with his head at the rim like an Iguodala, RJ, Lebron, etc... his game just seems very fluid & he glides to the rim on his dunks... he plays a very efficient style game, nothing too flashy or ferocious.

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11/3/2010  2:08 PM
TMS: he's definitely not in that class of athlete, but iwas responding to the papers. One of the articlwes on the front page even said he was unathletic. I keep hearing that and I'm wondering what games they are watching. The up and under reverse he threw down after the whistle against boston should have endedd all debate
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11/3/2010  2:08 PM
TMS wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Landry tested out to be one of the most athletic players in the draft. What we see now is what Mike and Donnie saw in workouts, which is that he's very skilled and smart BB IQ wise. Like other guys who have a similar game ie Matt Barnes or Doug Christie, I believe Fields will still get better as he gains NBA experience. How much better is hard to say, but I don't think he's maxed out his potential just yet.

Its funny, he was a good player in college and nobody notices. He tests real well athletically during the preseason and has shown us some highlight real after the whistle dunks as well as several explosions to the hoop and yet we are consistently told he is not an athlete. What is it with this guy?

i think he's athletic & he's got hops, but he's not the type of guy who's gonna explode into the lane & dunk one down with his head at the rim like an Iguodala, RJ, Lebron, etc... his game just seems very fluid & he glides to the rim on his dunks... he plays a very efficient style game, nothing too flashy or ferocious.

He can definitely explode and dunk on someone.

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11/3/2010  2:23 PM
iSergio wrote:I don't root against any player on the Knicks. Well, except for Eddy Curry.

Anyway, if a player is overhyped to a point where it becomes ridiculous like it did with Danilo Gallinari, I cannot help but start to dislike him. I don't root against Gallo, I just don't like his game.

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11/3/2010  2:32 PM
Bippity10 wrote:Why do people keep saying Landry is not a good athlete. He's a really good athlete and actually preet explosive off one leg.

Isergio: there have definitely been a few people that have overhyped these guys. That being said the vast majority on this site have been very reasonable. They see two guys with potential who they are rooting for, but know they are both really young, need to grow and may never meet that potential. But just because a guy may never meet his potentail doesn't mean as a fan you get down in the dumps and scream about how bad they are. No need for the overdramatics on your part.

You cany argue cause gallo has dissappointed every one, and AR is...well, we know he isn't who we thought he was. we have been overhyping some of our players, and they have yet to play up to there potential BY FAR. I know it's only 3 games, but if you throw in the preseason, it's not loking good.

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11/3/2010  2:34 PM
Vmart wrote:
TMS wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Landry tested out to be one of the most athletic players in the draft. What we see now is what Mike and Donnie saw in workouts, which is that he's very skilled and smart BB IQ wise. Like other guys who have a similar game ie Matt Barnes or Doug Christie, I believe Fields will still get better as he gains NBA experience. How much better is hard to say, but I don't think he's maxed out his potential just yet.

Its funny, he was a good player in college and nobody notices. He tests real well athletically during the preseason and has shown us some highlight real after the whistle dunks as well as several explosions to the hoop and yet we are consistently told he is not an athlete. What is it with this guy?

i think he's athletic & he's got hops, but he's not the type of guy who's gonna explode into the lane & dunk one down with his head at the rim like an Iguodala, RJ, Lebron, etc... his game just seems very fluid & he glides to the rim on his dunks... he plays a very efficient style game, nothing too flashy or ferocious.

He can definitely explode and dunk on someone.

sure, he can take off & dunk on someone i never said he couldn't... but he's not as explosive as those other guys i mentioned... there's nothing wrong with that.

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11/3/2010  2:38 PM
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TMS wrote:i think he's athletic & he's got hops, but he's not the type of guy who's gonna explode into the lane & dunk one down with his head at the rim like an Iguodala, RJ, Lebron, etc... his game just seems very fluid & he glides to the rim on his dunks... he plays a very efficient style game, nothing too flashy or ferocious.

He can definitely explode and dunk on someone.

What I like about these highlights is the array of moves he has. It's not just dunks. It's 3 point shots, catch and shoots, catch and fake and shoots, hustle plays, etc. It looks like he gained some pretty good experience at Stanford. The competition may have been weak, but he had to be the man for every game and for almost every play.

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11/3/2010  2:47 PM
When you have Tony Douglas and Amar'e Stoudemire on your team (two guys who are insane when it comes to working out) and the coach says YOU are in the best shape out of everyone on the team AND you play with a high bball IQ AND you're very skilled, I don't think you have to have Vince Carter like explosiveness. BTW, he's still a very good athlete. People simply don't watch if they say that.
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Bippity10 wrote:Why do people keep saying Landry is not a good athlete. He's a really good athlete and actually preet explosive off one leg.

Isergio: there have definitely been a few people that have overhyped these guys. That being said the vast majority on this site have been very reasonable. They see two guys with potential who they are rooting for, but know they are both really young, need to grow and may never meet that potential. But just because a guy may never meet his potentail doesn't mean as a fan you get down in the dumps and scream about how bad they are. No need for the overdramatics on your part.

You cany argue cause gallo has dissappointed every one, and AR is...well, we know he isn't who we thought he was. we have been overhyping some of our players, and they have yet to play up to there potential BY FAR. I know it's only 3 games, but if you throw in the preseason, it's not loking good.

I'm not disappointed at all.

1.) Last year was his first full year in the NBA why would I be disappointed at this point in his career
2.) If he never improves on last year then we still have one of the leagues best big man jumpshooters. Nothing wrong with that
3.) I neved thought he was Dirk so now that he isn't it doesn't bother me. That's because I believe my own eyes not thr "hype"
4.) One guy is 21 and the other is 22, too early to be disapointed
5.) %I've minutes of watching AR play in a game last year you could tell he was a project. It was reiterated by the staff. No surprise on my end. This is why its important to use more then youtube highlights as your scouting analysis.
6.) Its been 3 games

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11/3/2010  3:04 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:Why do people keep saying Landry is not a good athlete. He's a really good athlete and actually preet explosive off one leg.

Isergio: there have definitely been a few people that have overhyped these guys. That being said the vast majority on this site have been very reasonable. They see two guys with potential who they are rooting for, but know they are both really young, need to grow and may never meet that potential. But just because a guy may never meet his potentail doesn't mean as a fan you get down in the dumps and scream about how bad they are. No need for the overdramatics on your part.

You cany argue cause gallo has dissappointed every one, and AR is...well, we know he isn't who we thought he was. we have been overhyping some of our players, and they have yet to play up to there potential BY FAR. I know it's only 3 games, but if you throw in the preseason, it's not loking good.

I'm not disappointed at all.

1.) Last year was his first full year in the NBA why would I be disappointed at this point in his career
2.) If he never improves on last year then we still have one of the leagues best big man jumpshooters. Nothing wrong with that
3.) I neved thought he was Dirk so now that he isn't it doesn't bother me. That's because I believe my own eyes not thr "hype"
4.) One guy is 21 and the other is 22, too early to be disapointed
5.) %I've minutes of watching AR play in a game last year you could tell he was a project. It was reiterated by the staff. No surprise on my end. This is why its important to use more then youtube highlights as your scouting analysis.
6.) Its been 3 games

geeze.. Guy is 21 and gives you 15ppg/5rpg and hit a lot of big shots a year after back surgery in his first 100 NBA games. Once he gets straight whats a reasonable improvement? 18ppg 6rpg and 3.5assists? Hey Rashard Lewis gets $20mm a year to do that! Gallo is 22! This matters! I give MDA credit. Gallo is coming out strong and hard, but its just not happening for him now so others are getting his burn. Growing pains.
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11/3/2010  3:13 PM
This slump will make Gallo a better player IMO. I saw an entire season of the kid as we all did and so I know he's got talent. This is a test of his character and I believe he's tough enough to overcome it and go on to have a good career. Basically Gallo is a Rashard Lewis type of player. He's not gonna be something he's not. I think he has lots of room for improvement in the post game and midrange game, so we'll see how things go this season.
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11/3/2010  9:56 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Landry tested out to be one of the most athletic players in the draft. What we see now is what Mike and Donnie saw in workouts, which is that he's very skilled and smart BB IQ wise. Like other guys who have a similar game ie Matt Barnes or Doug Christie, I believe Fields will still get better as he gains NBA experience. How much better is hard to say, but I don't think he's maxed out his potential just yet.

Its funny, he was a good player in college and nobody notices. He tests real well athletically during the preseason and has shown us some highlight real after the whistle dunks as well as several explosions to the hoop and yet we are consistently told he is not an athlete. What is it with this guy?

"Second round pick" comes to mind. Apparently where someone gets picked is 20 times as relevant as what his actual performance is. More stereotyping.

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11/3/2010  11:04 PM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:Here's one thing I really like about the dude: he came into training camp READY. Everyone was saying how Fields was the best in shape at the start of camp, even Amare was marveling. This ain't no Jordan Hill, this is a guy who has got his head on straight and is already prepared.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is like Lee during the offseason and corrects whatever Clyde has been saying about his shot - whether it's the midrange or 3pt shot. I wouldn't be surprised if the dude becomes shades of automatic from the field next season or really solidified his FT shooting.


comparing to Lee is perfect. People say Lee is overhyped on this board. For some reason rooting for a guy who was pick 30 and regarded as nothing more than a hustle garbage who WORKED on his game so much 4 years later he's a 20/10 all star is somehow a bad thing.

You see these guys all over the league. Late picks who are regarded as underskilled, under sized or didnt fit into some pigeon hole definition of an NBA player.

Hopefully we have a couple with Douglas and Fields.

On 2nd thought I hope Fields fails. If he's good then we will have to pay him eventually and deal with another overhyped David Lee situation where we can no longer appreciate where he came from, how much his game has improved over the years or the hard work and character of the guy. It just easier that way


Yes i'm a big fan of the Lee comparison because both are similar at their respective positions. Hopefully Fields can turn into that type of player at the SG position where he improves every year and turns into a glue-guy and strong hustle player early and possibly an all-star later.
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11/3/2010  11:04 PM
I wanna see more than three games. We should be happy with the production, but careful with the predictions this early in Fields' career. For all any of us know, his stock is as high as it'll ever be. Frye and Balkman had their moments as well.
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11/4/2010  7:22 AM
izybx wrote:Im not trying to dog fields, but if he wants to earn the respect of people around the league hes going to need to keep it up for more than three games. If at the ed of the season hes still starting, putting up around 14-8 with good defense, and the knicks have a decent season, you better believe that he will be viewed around the league as a great prospect.

If Fields keeps up with what he is doing now:

3rd in scoring, 2nd in rebounding, 2nd in minutes played, 83% from the line, 50% from the field, 40% from 3. He should be all rookie first team with numbers like that.

Right now you got Wall and Griffin(yes he is a rookie this year he didn't play enough games last year, I think) as the top 2 followed by-in no order- Fields, Favors, Cousins.

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