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10/25/2010  12:35 PM
martin wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Starting a SF at SG who cant shoot isnt going to help anyone. Fields got off because no one was checking for the guy in preseason.

Oh and to those saying Chandler put up nice stats at SG I say yea nice stats on a 29 win team.

How exactly can't Fields shoot? He shot 42% from 3 pt range and 55% overall. Even if people guarded him more tightly and those #s became 45% and 35%, those are still pretty good shooting percentages. The guy can put it in the hoop so far.

Preseason Stats: 


   Player           Pos  G M/Gm  FGm  FGa  PCT  3m  3a  PCT  FTm  FTA  PCT  AVG
 6 fields,landry     SG  6 20.2   23   41 .561   6  13 .462    5    8 .625  9.5


SEASON	        TEAM	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	TO	A/T	STL	BLK	PF	FG%	FT%	3P%	PPS
2006-2007	STAN	14.0	4.2	2.5	.7	.8	.92	.2	.1	1.0	.363	.652	.303	1.01
2007-2008	STAN	12.6	4.1	2.0	1.0	.8	1.22	.3	.2	1.2	.362	.625	.355	1.06
2008-2009	STAN	30.7	12.6	6.6	1.9	1.9	1.05	1.2	.5	2.1	.498	.650	.368	1.34
2009-2010	STAN	36.3	22.0	8.8	2.8	2.6	1.07	1.6	.8	2.0	.490	.696	.337	1.39

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31764

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10/25/2010  12:38 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Starting a SF at SG who cant shoot isnt going to help anyone. Fields got off because no one was checking for the guy in preseason.

Oh and to those saying Chandler put up nice stats at SG I say yea nice stats on a 29 win team.

How exactly can't Fields shoot? He shot 42% from 3 pt range and 55% overall. Even if people guarded him more tightly and those #s became 45% and 35%, those are still pretty good shooting percentages. The guy can put it in the hoop so far.

Preseason Stats: 


   Player           Pos  G M/Gm  FGm  FGa  PCT  3m  3a  PCT  FTm  FTA  PCT  AVG
 6 fields,landry     SG  6 20.2   23   41 .561   6  13 .462    5    8 .625  9.5


SEASON	        TEAM	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	TO	A/T	STL	BLK	PF	FG%	FT%	3P%	PPS
2006-2007	STAN	14.0	4.2	2.5	.7	.8	.92	.2	.1	1.0	.363	.652	.303	1.01
2007-2008	STAN	12.6	4.1	2.0	1.0	.8	1.22	.3	.2	1.2	.362	.625	.355	1.06
2008-2009	STAN	30.7	12.6	6.6	1.9	1.9	1.05	1.2	.5	2.1	.498	.650	.368	1.34
2009-2010	STAN	36.3	22.0	8.8	2.8	2.6	1.07	1.6	.8	2.0	.490	.696	.337	1.39

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31764

when you are the only player on a bad team who the defense has to key off of, those are some phenomenal stats during his senior year.

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10/25/2010  12:41 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Starting a SF at SG who cant shoot isnt going to help anyone. Fields got off because no one was checking for the guy in preseason.

Oh and to those saying Chandler put up nice stats at SG I say yea nice stats on a 29 win team.

How exactly can't Fields shoot? He shot 42% from 3 pt range and 55% overall. Even if people guarded him more tightly and those #s became 45% and 35%, those are still pretty good shooting percentages. The guy can put it in the hoop so far.

Preseason Stats: 


   Player           Pos  G M/Gm  FGm  FGa  PCT  3m  3a  PCT  FTm  FTA  PCT  AVG
 6 fields,landry     SG  6 20.2   23   41 .561   6  13 .462    5    8 .625  9.5


SEASON	        TEAM	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	TO	A/T	STL	BLK	PF	FG%	FT%	3P%	PPS
2006-2007	STAN	14.0	4.2	2.5	.7	.8	.92	.2	.1	1.0	.363	.652	.303	1.01
2007-2008	STAN	12.6	4.1	2.0	1.0	.8	1.22	.3	.2	1.2	.362	.625	.355	1.06
2008-2009	STAN	30.7	12.6	6.6	1.9	1.9	1.05	1.2	.5	2.1	.498	.650	.368	1.34
2009-2010	STAN	36.3	22.0	8.8	2.8	2.6	1.07	1.6	.8	2.0	.490	.696	.337	1.39

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31764

defenses keyed on fields his whole senior year because stanford had one of it's worst teams in the past 10 years. as little as i knew about fields coming into the draft when you look at his overall year last year, he had a very good year.

shooting %s don't mean a whole lot if you have the fundamentals and the base for a good shot. from the looks of it this preseason, fields has a beautiful shot and all he might have needed was some pro coaching on how to alter his shot to make it better.

you're gonna have to find something to be positive about here soon and no we're not talking about bringing gilbert arenas aboard.

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10/25/2010  12:42 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Starting a SF at SG who cant shoot isnt going to help anyone. Fields got off because no one was checking for the guy in preseason.

Oh and to those saying Chandler put up nice stats at SG I say yea nice stats on a 29 win team.

How exactly can't Fields shoot? He shot 42% from 3 pt range and 55% overall. Even if people guarded him more tightly and those #s became 45% and 35%, those are still pretty good shooting percentages. The guy can put it in the hoop so far.

Preseason Stats: 


   Player           Pos  G M/Gm  FGm  FGa  PCT  3m  3a  PCT  FTm  FTA  PCT  AVG
 6 fields,landry     SG  6 20.2   23   41 .561   6  13 .462    5    8 .625  9.5


SEASON	        TEAM	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	TO	A/T	STL	BLK	PF	FG%	FT%	3P%	PPS
2006-2007	STAN	14.0	4.2	2.5	.7	.8	.92	.2	.1	1.0	.363	.652	.303	1.01
2007-2008	STAN	12.6	4.1	2.0	1.0	.8	1.22	.3	.2	1.2	.362	.625	.355	1.06
2008-2009	STAN	30.7	12.6	6.6	1.9	1.9	1.05	1.2	.5	2.1	.498	.650	.368	1.34
2009-2010	STAN	36.3	22.0	8.8	2.8	2.6	1.07	1.6	.8	2.0	.490	.696	.337	1.39

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31764

when you are the only player on a bad team who the defense has to key off of, those are some phenomenal stats during his senior year.

Some how your stats are are not align properly

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10/25/2010  12:43 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
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AnubisADL wrote:Starting a SF at SG who cant shoot isnt going to help anyone. Fields got off because no one was checking for the guy in preseason.

Oh and to those saying Chandler put up nice stats at SG I say yea nice stats on a 29 win team.

good one. So playing well on a bad team means nothing. Awesome logic.

misterearl.. you coming out Wed night? Cmon man

No it means putting up stats means diddly if it isnt adding wins. Chandler is a NBA SF. This would be the equivalent of playing Rudy Gay at SG. He can put up stats but I doubt you are going places.

I also remember Kevin Durant played SG his rookie year and put up good stats too. Does that mean he is a SG?

Sprewell played SF and the Knicks went to the finals. Does that make him a SF? Who cares... its about the team. Is Boris Diaw a center? That team went won 50+ games with him at that position. Do those stats count?

Its how the team plays. There are no prereqs for positions in the NBA

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10/25/2010  12:45 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Starting a SF at SG who cant shoot isnt going to help anyone. Fields got off because no one was checking for the guy in preseason.

Oh and to those saying Chandler put up nice stats at SG I say yea nice stats on a 29 win team.

How exactly can't Fields shoot? He shot 42% from 3 pt range and 55% overall. Even if people guarded him more tightly and those #s became 45% and 35%, those are still pretty good shooting percentages. The guy can put it in the hoop so far.

Preseason Stats: 


   Player           Pos  G M/Gm  FGm  FGa  PCT  3m  3a  PCT  FTm  FTA  PCT  AVG
 6 fields,landry     SG  6 20.2   23   41 .561   6  13 .462    5    8 .625  9.5


SEASON	        TEAM	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	TO	A/T	STL	BLK	PF	FG%	FT%	3P%	PPS
2006-2007	STAN	14.0	4.2	2.5	.7	.8	.92	.2	.1	1.0	.363	.652	.303	1.01
2007-2008	STAN	12.6	4.1	2.0	1.0	.8	1.22	.3	.2	1.2	.362	.625	.355	1.06
2008-2009	STAN	30.7	12.6	6.6	1.9	1.9	1.05	1.2	.5	2.1	.498	.650	.368	1.34
2009-2010	STAN	36.3	22.0	8.8	2.8	2.6	1.07	1.6	.8	2.0	.490	.696	.337	1.39

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31764

when you are the only player on a bad team who the defense has to key off of, those are some phenomenal stats during his senior year.

Some how your stats are are not align properly

they look fine to me

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10/25/2010  12:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/25/2010  12:49 PM 
	                Min	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	OR	DR	TR	Ast	F	Stl	TO	Blk	Pts
TOTALS FOR SEASON	1161	248	506	29	86	179	257	81	199	280	89	65	51	83	25	704

Source:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/players/60273/index.html

Landry Fields is not a shooter.

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10/25/2010  12:48 PM
misterearl wrote:The Answer Man has decided to take what the defense gives him today

Earl, what do you think about the Mayor's demotion?
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10/25/2010  12:50 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
	                Min	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	OR	DR	TR	Ast	F	Stl	TO	Blk	Pts
TOTALS FOR SEASON	1161	248	506	29	86	179	257	81	199	280	89	65	51	83	25	704

Source:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/players/60273/index.html

Landry Fields is not a shooter.

At least not a pure one, but he can shoot

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10/25/2010  1:01 PM
Anubis, his last two seasons at Stanford he shot 49 and 50 percent overall from the field and 34 and 37 from 3 pt land. This preseason, those numbers went up. Where are you coming up with this notion that he *can't* shoot. To me, those are numbers that show he's pretty efficient, while his 3 point shooting could use maybe a little work, but not so much that it makes you nuts.

And again, don't discount his preseason numbers this year. He did well.

I wish I had one of those shot charts that show how he shoots from each point on the court. I quickly looked for that, but to no avail. If someone can post it, I'd greatly appreciate it. Either way, I have a feeling it will back up my arguement nicely.

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10/25/2010  1:11 PM
Landry is not a "SHOOTER". Nope, he is not Trent Tucker, nor Otis Birdsong, nor Morris Almond, or H20.......He seems like a more balanced skill set.

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10/25/2010  1:46 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Starting a SF at SG who cant shoot isnt going to help anyone. Fields got off because no one was checking for the guy in preseason.

Oh and to those saying Chandler put up nice stats at SG I say yea nice stats on a 29 win team.

How exactly can't Fields shoot? He shot 42% from 3 pt range and 55% overall. Even if people guarded him more tightly and those #s became 45% and 35%, those are still pretty good shooting percentages. The guy can put it in the hoop so far.

Preseason Stats: 


   Player           Pos  G M/Gm  FGm  FGa  PCT  3m  3a  PCT  FTm  FTA  PCT  AVG
 6 fields,landry     SG  6 20.2   23   41 .561   6  13 .462    5    8 .625  9.5


SEASON	        TEAM	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	TO	A/T	STL	BLK	PF	FG%	FT%	3P%	PPS
2006-2007	STAN	14.0	4.2	2.5	.7	.8	.92	.2	.1	1.0	.363	.652	.303	1.01
2007-2008	STAN	12.6	4.1	2.0	1.0	.8	1.22	.3	.2	1.2	.362	.625	.355	1.06
2008-2009	STAN	30.7	12.6	6.6	1.9	1.9	1.05	1.2	.5	2.1	.498	.650	.368	1.34
2009-2010	STAN	36.3	22.0	8.8	2.8	2.6	1.07	1.6	.8	2.0	.490	.696	.337	1.39

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31764

when you are the only player on a bad team who the defense has to key off of, those are some phenomenal stats during his senior year.

Great point. If he played on a bad team and defenses keyed in on him, wouldn't one expect his % to be down? He shot pretty good and dished out 3 assists and grabbed 9 boards as well. Think about that.

His turnover rate of 3 is pretty good if the ball was in his hands as often as it was. We saw that skill in summer league, smart heady guy.

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10/25/2010  2:02 PM
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Q. Panos - what do you think about the Mayor's demotion?

A. If The Mayor coming off the bench - in the noble tradition of Cazzie Russell, Louis Orr or Latrell Sprewell - makes the Knicks a better team then I'm all for it

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10/25/2010  2:09 PM
I would say that the Knicks do need more focus and scoring off the bench, and in that light, AR was just not scoring or doing the right things enough. Perhaps Chandler settles that.

And with Felton and Amare doing their thing in the PnR, you need other players to spread and move and move the ball more smoothly, all things that perhaps Fields does better than Chandler.

He seemed to rebound the ball a lot better too (than Chandler).

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10/25/2010  2:15 PM
martin wrote:I would say that the Knicks do need more focus and scoring off the bench, and in that light, AR was just not scoring or doing the right things enough. Perhaps Chandler settles that.

And with Felton and Amare doing their thing in the PnR, you need other players to spread and move and move the ball more smoothly, all things that perhaps Fields does better than Chandler.

He seemed to rebound the ball a lot better too (than Chandler).

A lot of this comes down to trusting that Mike knows what he's seeing in practice and in games and that it's not always what some are paying attention to. As coach he's gotta look at things from multiple angles. His SL and bench rotation has to be balanced and this may be the way to spread things out so that we don't have a weak 2nd unit. We know that we'll be leaning on STAT real heavy so a kid like Fields can fill in the gaps just fine and he can then add more punch to his 2nd unit by moving Chan there. It's what he did with Harrington.
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10/25/2010  2:36 PM
I have no problem with this, if he starts. I think wilson has outplayed gallo but you need at least one shooter in the starting lineup so other teams don't begin games triple teaming Amare. It also give.s our second team more punch and leadership. I would not consider it a demotion for Wilson. I consider it a movement for more lineup balance.
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10/25/2010  3:26 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
	                Min	FGM	FGA	3PM	3PA	FTM	FTA	OR	DR	TR	Ast	F	Stl	TO	Blk	Pts
TOTALS FOR SEASON	1161	248	506	29	86	179	257	81	199	280	89	65	51	83	25	704

Source:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/players/60273/index.html

Landry Fields is not a shooter.


Neither is Chandler.

Fields is a scorer at this point, who can hit a long jumper at times, but also find ways to get open, and make some clever finishes.

We don't have a perfect SG who can get on the floor and play at this time. All the guys on the Knicks who can play the position have weaknesses, and Fields is not a finished product at this point, but I did not see any difference between him and Evan Turner or DeRozan when they played on the same floor.

From itchetrigr,earlier in the thread


Fields does what is asked of him, he moves well, keeps the ball moving while spotting up on the corners, he also seems to understand the offense quite well knowing where to place himself creating the proper space when a play is in motion.

He's also a pretty good passer, for that matter. There was a reason he got a number of easy baskets against Toronto. He seems to be better than Gallo or Chandler at understanding the flow of the offense and getting open. I have seen a number of our guys not get him the ball when he is open, too. He also seems to be efficient at driving to the basket- he has a better first step than Gallinari, for sure, and probably Chandler, as well.

For me, though, and perhaps for MDA, his biggest plus is that at this point he has not shown any tendency to make bonehead mistakes when he has the ball. He rarely forces things like a rookie usually does, if somebody who did not know anything about him was told Fields was a 3rd year player he would have no reason to think you were lying to him.

I might be surprised if MDA does start him, but the guy has done everything asked of him so far, and really looks like he belongs in the league.

I am not sure where you are coming from- nobody is saying that Fields is the next Reggie Miller- but I'm pretty sure that he will give you productive minutes, however many he gets.

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10/25/2010  3:48 PM
So much for the theory that MDA doesn't play rookies nor develop them......
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10/25/2010  4:36 PM
He doesn't play BAD rookes like Jordan Hill.
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kam77 wrote:He doesn't play BAD rookes like Jordan Hill.
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